Question: "Masturbation - is it a sin according to the Bible?"

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Well I'm glad I know where you stand on the issue. Looking at women with lust in your imagination is a sin, I don't think you are thinking about baseball scores.
And that my fired is the point that eludes you. It is not the job of a fellow christian or Pastor to try to read the minds of single people and discern if they are masturbating or not. Even if there is lustful thoughts going on w/o porn or other visible stimuli, which is fornication. DO you get it yet? That is between God and them alone.


When you are with a loving partner and you don't abuse sex excessively, it is healthy and the love and connection with a real person changes the entire experience, when you are by yourself looking at women in your imagination with lust you are abusing sex and satisfying your desires in a way and place not intended for your own good physically, mentally, emotionally or socially.
we do not disagree.
 

BillG

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If having lust or hatred in your heart is a sin, having it in a dream probably is too.
Interesting.

So are you effectively saying that things in your heart that are sin will manifest in dreams.
You say “Probably” But not definitely.

You mention hatred.
Can that manifest it in dream? Even if we don’t walk in hatred?
 
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pckts

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Not sure I follow you, I have been married to the same woman for 27 years and counseled many couples in this kind of thing.
Your profile said unmarried until you just fixed it now. Do you agree?
 
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Interesting.

So are you effectively saying that things in your heart that are sin will manifest in dreams.
You say “Probably” But not definitely.

You mention hatred.
Can that manifest it in dream? Even if we don’t walk in hatred?
It manifests in my dreams sometimes, and I sometimes walk in hatred. I repent when I wake up and try to figure out what triggered it in the dream the same as I do in real life.

I say probably because dreams are such a grey and mysterious area, and there is no scripture to support my opinion. I truly think they are manifestations of the heart though.
 
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It manifests in my dreams sometimes, and I sometimes walk in hatred. I repent when I wake up and try to figure out what triggered it in the dream the same as I do in real life.

I say probably because dreams are such a grey and mysterious area, and there is no scripture to support my opinion. I truly think they are manifestations of the heart though.
James 1:13-16 give your self a break.

Dreams are not SIN.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

How are you consciously carried away by your lust and enticed when you are asleep?
 
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yes I fixed it just now[ya busted me kid] I am not sure how that happened. I have been married for 27 years, and you?
Thank you so much for being honorable and admitting this, you could have made me look bad if you wanted to by saying it always said you were.

I'm not married and 25 isn't exactly a spring chicken either, I'm not wasting any time on meaningless relationships and I'm saving whatever is left as best I can for marriage.
 
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#49
James 1:13-16 give your self a break.

Dreams are not SIN.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

How are you consciously carried away by your lust and enticed when you are asleep?
I don't want to go into the detail of my dream antics, it's lust and it only happened when I was lucid dreaming and gave myself a "free pass" with the dream ladies.

The anger happens when I'm not lucid, and character flaws and lack of impulse control trigger it.
 

BillG

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Masturbation hurts your mind and body, and everyone you interact with in this lessened version of yourself. Do we determine we can sin because some sins are worse than others?


I understand the surgeon general came out or whatever and said it was healthy, and I was even taught it was healthy in my sex ed class in college, but these people aren't seeing the bigger picture of the mind and body relationship.

I don't get too far into these teachings because they seem occultish and new agey but the message isn't. There is a chemical secreted by the medula that covers the spinal cord and then this reaction travels back up to your "brain". In order for your medula to secrete this chemical you cannot abuse/squander sex, masturbate or have excessive sex.

So by abstaining you actually receive health benefits to your mind and body that far outweigh the temporary relief of masturbation, and it will take more than a week, two, or maybe three to begin fully seeing these benefits. A healthier mind not fixated on sex is one benefit, another is a healthier spine with less tension and more feeling.


I'm uncomfortable with the direct symbolism they use with the story of Christ, but there really are 33 vertebrate and 12 cranial nerves. The big is the small in a sense, doesn't undermine either from being true.
I have read the above.
I won’t address my thoughts concerning the picture and what the surgeon general as said.

For me just so people know I have no idea whether masturbation is a sin in certain scenarios or not.
Some say its wrong full stop, others say it’s not if your thoughts are only about your spouse and the thoughts are based on the sexual activity you have experienced.


Firstly sin is sin. No sin is greater than another sin.

Masturbation does not hurt the body.

But masturbation can for sure damage you mind.
If you masturbate as a result of watching porn then porn overtakes the reality of sexual intimacy with your spouse.
Porn on the net today is not the true reality of intimacy in a marriage.
Therfore it can affect the relationship, I say it can, in fact it will.
 

BillG

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It manifests in my dreams sometimes, and I sometimes walk in hatred. I repent when I wake up and try to figure out what triggered it in the dream the same as I do in real life.

I say probably because dreams are such a grey and mysterious area, and there is no scripture to support my opinion. I truly think they are manifestations of the heart though.
Thanks for acknowledging the above and also giving your opinion and it’s not based on scripture.

Not trying to trip you up here.

You responsed to my question about wet dreams which you thought were probably a sin as a result of lust in my heart.

What if I had one whilst dreaming about making love to my wife?
is that a sin?
 
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Thanks for acknowledging the above and also giving your opinion and it’s not based on scripture.

Not trying to trip you up here.

You responsed to my question about wet dreams which you thought were probably a sin as a result of lust in my heart.

What if I had one whilst dreaming about making love to my wife?
is that a sin?
Well that would depend on if that manifestation in your mind is technically your wife. It's a grey area for me. What if your wife wanted intimacy in the morning, but you already exhausted it in the dream world?

You are giving intimacy to an entity that isn't actually your wife, and it's not a natural relationship because it's going to act the way your mind determines rather than an independent person. You are being satisfied but not providing satisfaction to your actual wife.

Now anyone who thinks it's ok to masturbate while thinking of a spouse would think it was ok, but if you were to not think this was ok, I don't see why a dream would be any different.

It's a fun question to consider, but ultimately I would say that it isn't your wife, my opinion. Sin is sin, but if we are making classifications this would be less than with the grocery clerk in a dream.

Also, if you do not know it's a dream, then I would have to say it's ok or at least highly forgivable ,because how would you no any better it wasn't your wife or what was happening?

If it's a lucid dream, I would say there is more accountability in the situation.
 
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I don't want to go into the detail of my dream antics, it's lust and it only happened when I was lucid dreaming and gave myself a "free pass" with the dream ladies.

The anger happens when I'm not lucid, and character flaws and lack of impulse control trigger it.

Oh so you are a past astral projector. Totally different scenario
 
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Thank you so much for being honorable and admitting this, you could have made me look bad if you wanted to by saying it always said you were.

I'm not married and 25 isn't exactly a spring chicken either, I'm not wasting any time on meaningless relationships and I'm saving whatever is left as best I can for marriage.
discussions with light sabers gets messy and can be rough, lying and not being honorable is not the way, truth and the life.
 
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Oh so you are a past astral projector. Totally different scenario
Since I was very young and my entire life. Whether I'm lucid or not, I do not think it excuses me from repenting and coming to terms with what caused me to sin when I wake up, even under the bizarre conditions of a dream. If you are stable the spirit should prevent you from sinning in any scenario and conditions. I got into a parking lot fight a couple weeks ago (in a dream) and it was because I didn't ignore the persons provocations and walk away, this is a lesson I needed for my life as well.

On a related note, when I was an atheist I once had a dream the sky opened up and I saw biblical angels come down. I felt a deep regret, guilt, shame, and mostly fear for my lack of belief and woke up in tears. Shortly after told myself "it was just a dream" and dismissed the significance. I think I got a glimpse of what it will be like for the unbelievers during the events described in revelation, but they won't be able to wake up and dismiss it. I still remember the feeling and use that to prepare myself so my conscience is clear when and if it happens in my lifetime. Everything snaps into focus and will never be the same again when you see that.
 
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Since I was very young and my entire life. Whether I'm lucid or not, I do not think it excuses me from repenting and coming to terms with what caused me to sin when I wake up, even under the bizarre conditions of a dream. If you are stable the spirit should prevent you from sinning in any scenario and conditions. I got into a parking lot fight a couple weeks ago (in a dream) and it was because I didn't ignore the persons provocations and walk away, this is a lesson I needed for my life as well.

On a related note, when I was an atheist I once had a dream the sky opened up and I saw biblical angels come down. I felt a deep regret, guilt, shame, and mostly fear for my lack of belief and woke up in tears. Shortly after told myself "it was just a dream" and dismissed the significance. I think I got a glimpse of what it will be like for the unbelievers during the events described in revelation, but they won't be able to wake up and dismiss it. I still remember the feeling and use that to prepare myself so my conscience is clear when and if it happens in my lifetime. Everything snaps into focus and will never be the same again when you see that.
I respect you for saying this and coming to terms with it and now can understand your points. I would caution you about talking about astral projecting many Christians do not believe in it. I understand it and know about it, not from experience but working with people from the occult and other pagan paths
 

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And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. Gen 38:9

Onan violated the ceremonial law protecting the spiritual seed (Christ) as to the generation of Christ .new born again creatures. King Abimelech almost violated it God reveled to Him in a dream and threatened to kill him in order to preserve it.

And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar.And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Gen 20:1

The seed one (Christ) met its fulfillment in the Son of man the shadow has become substance.

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; Mat 1:2 etc...And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Mat 1:16

The end of the genealogy the fullment of the seed. .

The seed represents the word of God

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

I would suggest that anything that is not of faith that comes from hearing God is sin. Grab a hold of wisdom to provide a peace of God between him and one self.
 

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Oh so you are a past astral projector. Totally different scenario
God is no longer bringing any new relations after any manner .That possibility is sealed up till the end of time. Dreams has another purpose.
 
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I respect you for saying this and coming to terms with it and now can understand your points. I would caution you about talking about astral projecting many Christians do not believe in it. I understand it and know about it, not from experience but working with people from the occult and other pagan paths
When you say "astral projection", I think of the movie The Men Who Stare At Goats and governments attempting to find underground bunkers by having "psychics" navigate the word by writing down phrases in sealed envelopes.

I will talk about "lucid dreaming" whenever I feel like in front of whoever I want because I've been having dreams like this since I was 5 and know they are true, so whoever these people who don't believe in them are, they are simply wrong and haven't experienced one themselves.

I don't say any chants, commit a blood sacrifice, or pray to demons for a dream I'm consciously aware of, I go to sleep like I do any other night and sometimes I'm aware of the transition into a dream, or sometimes I say "hey, this isn't right, oh I'm dreaming!" and then it picks up from there.

There is nothing evil or occult about recognizing the dream isn't reality and being aware of it, anyone who takes issue with this are probably those people who dream in black and white or don't even remember them to begin with. I'd rather upset these people than silence myself about the innocent truth.