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I can understand why you would be confused. "Hell" is a tricky translation. The hell we normally think of is Gehenna. That is the Lake of Fire. The word translated "hell" in Peter is Tartarus. That is apparently not quite hades (also not gehenna) but a special holding place of torment the fallen angels are til judgement.
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You can't have ice cream and eat your cake too.
Hell will be cast into the lake of fire they are two different places.
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Your swimming up stream without a paddle, but it's all good brother this isn't a salvation base topic it can be pondered on all day long.
Signing off for the night I've honestly enjoyed the conversations.
You can't have ice cream and eat your cake too.
Hell will be cast into the lake of fire they are two different places.
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Your swimming up stream without a paddle, but it's all good brother this isn't a salvation base topic it can be pondered on all day long.
Signing off for the night I've honestly enjoyed the conversations.
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actually 2Pet2:4 does not. 2 pet 2 context is about those who speak and teach false doctrines and foolish heresies. And then goes on to explain the judgment God did as God did not spare the angel who sinned and has them "them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"
as God did not spare "Old world of Noah"
cities of Sodom and Gomorrha
nothing in 2 Peter confirm anything of angels having sexual relations with women. What is confirmed is the false teachers warning.
as God did not spare "Old world of Noah"
cities of Sodom and Gomorrha
nothing in 2 Peter confirm anything of angels having sexual relations with women. What is confirmed is the false teachers warning.
Here I'll let YOU read it again:
Jude:
6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has RESERVED in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a SIMILAR manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.
What part of that passage do you not understand? And if they are not being held under darkness for a yet future judgement on the great day because of sexual sin, AS JUDE CLEARLY SAYS IS THE REASON, what exactly are they being held for?
Further, they are NOT currently in Gehenna. They haven't even been judged yet. And we will be a part of their judging.
1 Corinthians 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
I think it's you that needs to reexamine the context.
Jude:
6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has RESERVED in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a SIMILAR manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.
What part of that passage do you not understand? And if they are not being held under darkness for a yet future judgement on the great day because of sexual sin, AS JUDE CLEARLY SAYS IS THE REASON, what exactly are they being held for?
Further, they are NOT currently in Gehenna. They haven't even been judged yet. And we will be a part of their judging.
1 Corinthians 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
I think it's you that needs to reexamine the context.
The context of 2 Peter 2 is more than just that. Peter is giving us a comparison how if God DID NOT spare these false teachers, and comparing that to Him not sparing the angels that sinned, NOT sparing the old world of Noah's time, NOT sparing Sodom and Gomorrah, and NOT sparing the wicked of Lot's time....AND how he will NOT spare these false teachers but their day (false teachers) of judgment is also coming.
V. 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Then Peter goes back and mentions angels again in verse 11.
V. 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Then Peter goes back and mentions angels again in verse 11.
I would offer. The sons of men or daughters of men both identify the flesh of mankind as that seen the temporal .
Sons of men (Psalm 33:13, Psalm 57:4,Psalm 58:1)
Another way of distinguishing the thing of men as sons of men...... from the things God, as the sons of God .Is in the portion of scripture that defines a Jew . A Jew is not one outward as a son of man but one inwardly as born again sons of God, as those led by the Spirit of God that dwells in them
.Jesus as the Son of man spoke of his flesh typified as sinful as that which was needed to condemed sin in the flesh .God did not become man but his flesh would he said could not profit was used as a demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The Son of God spoke of the unseen Spirit of Christ.
When Jesus in John 10 declared. I and my Father are one. they accused him of blasphemy. Saying you a man make yourself out to be God. .Jesus turned to the law and replied . Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
He was referring to Psalms 82:6-7 Men created in the image of God as gods not in respect to the other beasts of the field .He made them male and female.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Psalms 82:6-7
Another example . When the Lord in Exodus said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Jesus was reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men— men of authority —as “gods.”
it would seem his point was if you accuse me with blasphemy because as a title “Son of God”..... yet your own scriptures apply the same term to magistrates or Judges. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent .
The Hebrew word Elohim (gods or god) is translated “judges” in Eodus 21;6, 22;8.9 and 28,
The commandment not to have other gods before our living God applies to us as men.
Men can besidered gods created in the likeness of our Creator not seen . Never gods created in the likeness of men. The philosophical foundation of mythology . when those who had no faith attributed to what Paul had done to Paul and not the Holy Spirit not seen .True blasphemy is in view. When Barnabas and Paul heard of, they rent their clothes(blasphemy)
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,Acts 14:11-14
Good Hollywood science fiction material creating a new kind of creature as aliens from another Galaxy but not contextual to the scriptures
Sons of men (Psalm 33:13, Psalm 57:4,Psalm 58:1)
Another way of distinguishing the thing of men as sons of men...... from the things God, as the sons of God .Is in the portion of scripture that defines a Jew . A Jew is not one outward as a son of man but one inwardly as born again sons of God, as those led by the Spirit of God that dwells in them
.Jesus as the Son of man spoke of his flesh typified as sinful as that which was needed to condemed sin in the flesh .God did not become man but his flesh would he said could not profit was used as a demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The Son of God spoke of the unseen Spirit of Christ.
When Jesus in John 10 declared. I and my Father are one. they accused him of blasphemy. Saying you a man make yourself out to be God. .Jesus turned to the law and replied . Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
He was referring to Psalms 82:6-7 Men created in the image of God as gods not in respect to the other beasts of the field .He made them male and female.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Psalms 82:6-7
Another example . When the Lord in Exodus said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Jesus was reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men— men of authority —as “gods.”
it would seem his point was if you accuse me with blasphemy because as a title “Son of God”..... yet your own scriptures apply the same term to magistrates or Judges. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent .
The Hebrew word Elohim (gods or god) is translated “judges” in Eodus 21;6, 22;8.9 and 28,
The commandment not to have other gods before our living God applies to us as men.
Men can besidered gods created in the likeness of our Creator not seen . Never gods created in the likeness of men. The philosophical foundation of mythology . when those who had no faith attributed to what Paul had done to Paul and not the Holy Spirit not seen .True blasphemy is in view. When Barnabas and Paul heard of, they rent their clothes(blasphemy)
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,Acts 14:11-14
Good Hollywood science fiction material creating a new kind of creature as aliens from another Galaxy but not contextual to the scriptures
Who is it that is deceiving the whole world today?
To be bound is to be restricted.
literal chains cannot bind a legion of lying spirits .Its not flesh and blood that we do wrestle against .Satan always comes with his whole army.
When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. Luke 8:28-30
When Jesus said it is finished the god of this world fell as those angels who left their first place of habitation .Its what the power of the gospel does restrain . The father of lies is no longer able to come among those angel who have not left their first place of habitation as God's power to bind.
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.Job 1:6
To be bound is to be restricted.
literal chains cannot bind a legion of lying spirits .Its not flesh and blood that we do wrestle against .Satan always comes with his whole army.
When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. Luke 8:28-30
When Jesus said it is finished the god of this world fell as those angels who left their first place of habitation .Its what the power of the gospel does restrain . The father of lies is no longer able to come among those angel who have not left their first place of habitation as God's power to bind.
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.Job 1:6
Do you have any scriptural support for your position that Angels die ?
From my reading of the Bible the angels that came down and had Children with human woman where cast into the pit and are being held there still untill the day of Judgement. They did not die..
Jude 1: KJV
6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
These same fallen Angels i believe will be released from that pit during the Day of the LORD.. As a judgement upon people who worshipped the beast and took the mark
Revelation 9: KJV
1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."
From my reading of the Bible the angels that came down and had Children with human woman where cast into the pit and are being held there still untill the day of Judgement. They did not die..
Jude 1: KJV
6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
These same fallen Angels i believe will be released from that pit during the Day of the LORD.. As a judgement upon people who worshipped the beast and took the mark
Revelation 9: KJV
1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. {4} And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."
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Well this is a bit of a diversion from the main point that the angels who are being held for judgement are there for abandoning their Heavenly bodies and committed SEXUAL sin.
There are a couple of other assumptions in your post. You are assuming that ALL the fallen angels are currently in chains. Certainly the LEAD bad angel, although debatably unable to enter Heaven, is not in chains under darkness.
Read what Moses records from the Lord. Genesis 6:
4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
You are also assuming demons are the spirits of fallen angels. I believe, although admittedly inconclusive, that demons are the spirits of the destroyed Nephillim. There will be no resurrection for them. Not to life and not to hell.
Here is a good commentary I found explaining this issue:
NEPHILIM -- NO RESURRECTION
The Book of Isaiah says that the Nephilim and their descendants will not participate in a resurrection as is the portion of ordinary mortals. Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim." It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim are generally understood to be one of the branches of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they are to partake in no resurrection. But with humans it is different: all humans will be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29). (Note: the Nephilim had human mothers, but no human fathers, so they were not considered members of Adam's race. Only the members of Adam's race are offered redemption--the angels are not. Thus when they died the Nephilim spirits could have become disembodied and free to roam, seeking other bodies of men or animals to possess and dwell in. It has been suggested that this group of fallen spirits is responsible for the phenomenon of demon possession in the world today--ed.)
We have already seen that the Greek Version of the Old Testament (The Septuagint) translated "Nephilim" as "gegenes;" we shall now inquire how it translates "sons of God." In some of the manuscripts it is left as "sons of God," but in the others-- including the Alexandrian text--it is rendered by the word "angelos." This text was in existence in the time of Christ, but there is no indication that He ever corrected or queried it. Can we not assume from His silence that He agreed with the translation!
There are a couple of other assumptions in your post. You are assuming that ALL the fallen angels are currently in chains. Certainly the LEAD bad angel, although debatably unable to enter Heaven, is not in chains under darkness.
Read what Moses records from the Lord. Genesis 6:
4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
You are also assuming demons are the spirits of fallen angels. I believe, although admittedly inconclusive, that demons are the spirits of the destroyed Nephillim. There will be no resurrection for them. Not to life and not to hell.
Here is a good commentary I found explaining this issue:
NEPHILIM -- NO RESURRECTION
The Book of Isaiah says that the Nephilim and their descendants will not participate in a resurrection as is the portion of ordinary mortals. Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim." It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim are generally understood to be one of the branches of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they are to partake in no resurrection. But with humans it is different: all humans will be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29). (Note: the Nephilim had human mothers, but no human fathers, so they were not considered members of Adam's race. Only the members of Adam's race are offered redemption--the angels are not. Thus when they died the Nephilim spirits could have become disembodied and free to roam, seeking other bodies of men or animals to possess and dwell in. It has been suggested that this group of fallen spirits is responsible for the phenomenon of demon possession in the world today--ed.)
We have already seen that the Greek Version of the Old Testament (The Septuagint) translated "Nephilim" as "gegenes;" we shall now inquire how it translates "sons of God." In some of the manuscripts it is left as "sons of God," but in the others-- including the Alexandrian text--it is rendered by the word "angelos." This text was in existence in the time of Christ, but there is no indication that He ever corrected or queried it. Can we not assume from His silence that He agreed with the translation!
Like us, the body of aliens die and their spirit lives on. Their fate and situation is very similar to ours. I associate aliens with fallen angels because much of the phenomena that surrounds their behavior is very spiritualistic. In my view there's no other way of explaining aliens. They are fallen angels who become disembodied spirits after their body dies. Another reason why I associate them with fallen angels is because of the information I received from a man I interviewed in the late 70's about his abductions. The ironic thing is, hundreds of people record the same experience.
This man was abducted for 15 years. The US government told him to keep his mouth shut. Nothing he did helped. He was abducted over and over again, especially when he went into the country. He decided to go see a priest. The priest told him the next time you see them coming after you, get out of the car and point your finger right at them and tell them, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" He went into the country one day and there they were coming after him AGAIN. He got out of the car and said, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" They fled! Hundreds of people have documented experiencing the same thing!
Mark 16:17, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
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10 reasons aliens are fallen angels
This man was abducted for 15 years. The US government told him to keep his mouth shut. Nothing he did helped. He was abducted over and over again, especially when he went into the country. He decided to go see a priest. The priest told him the next time you see them coming after you, get out of the car and point your finger right at them and tell them, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" He went into the country one day and there they were coming after him AGAIN. He got out of the car and said, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" They fled! Hundreds of people have documented experiencing the same thing!
Mark 16:17, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
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10 reasons aliens are fallen angels
- The aliens of our time match the demons and fallen angels mentioned in the Bible in terms of their behavior.
- Like the Bible predicts, aliens never affirm the deity of Christ nor do they claim to come in his name.
- Aliens change their stories to delude man into believing their lies. One example of this is that before man had been to outer space or sent satellites there, aliens would claim to be from planets such as Jupiter in our solar system. As time went on and man learned more about our planets, we realized that no one could live on a planet like Jupiter, so aliens changed their story. Now they claim to be from other solar systems and star clusters such as Andromeda and Pleiades.
- Though aliens are said to be advanced, it seems they need us for their survival just as fallen angels need human beings to prey on. There are various accounts of aliens taking tissue samples from humans, probing them, or impregnating women. This is the origin of the entities known as incubus and succubus.
- Alien abductions are stopped by invoking the name of Jesus.
- Aliens bring ideas to earth that will help man unite worldwide for a new era of consciousnesses. This uniting prepares the way for their leader (who is possibly the Antichrist) by making mankind forget their religion and loyalty to their countries.
- Aliens often contact "new-agers" and occultists, as opposed to Christians. This is not always the case since people from all walks of life have been contacted by "aliens." However, I believe that these "space brothers" are not too interested in contacting Christians. This is because Christians will be able to see through aliens' disguise and know them for what they are: demons.
- Aliens are not opposed to being worshipped by humans. They also deny their creator (God), claiming instead that they are Creators. This serves to draw man away from God.
- Aliens give man technology but these "advancements" are usually destructive. There are secret projects that many governments have in their budget which are usually for creating new weapons of war. Much of the technology for such weaponry is said to come from extraterrestrials. Why don't aliens ever give us life-saving technology?
- Aliens often emit horrible odors, such as sulfur. Some call this smell the stench of Hell since it is a sign of the eternal fire.