Questions on Onanism

[garee]

Well this is a bit of a diversion from the main point that the angels who are being held for judgement are there for abandoning their Heavenly bodies and committed SEXUAL sin.

There are a couple of other assumptions in your post. You are assuming that ALL the fallen angels are currently in chains. Certainly the LEAD bad angel, although debatably unable to enter Heaven, is not in chains under darkness.

Read what Moses records from the Lord. Genesis 6:
4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

You are also assuming demons are the spirits of fallen angels. I believe, although admittedly inconclusive, that demons are the spirits of the destroyed Nephillim. There will be no resurrection for them. Not to life and not to hell.

Here is a good commentary I found explaining this issue:
NEPHILIM -- NO RESURRECTION
The Book of Isaiah says that the Nephilim and their descendants will not participate in a resurrection as is the portion of ordinary mortals. Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim." It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim are generally understood to be one of the branches of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they are to partake in no resurrection. But with humans it is different: all humans will be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29). (Note: the Nephilim had human mothers, but no human fathers, so they were not considered members of Adam's race. Only the members of Adam's race are offered redemption--the angels are not. Thus when they died the Nephilim spirits could have become disembodied and free to roam, seeking other bodies of men or animals to possess and dwell in. It has been suggested that this group of fallen spirits is responsible for the phenomenon of demon possession in the world today--ed.)

We have already seen that the Greek Version of the Old Testament (The Septuagint) translated "Nephilim" as "gegenes;" we shall now inquire how it translates "sons of God." In some of the manuscripts it is left as "sons of God," but in the others-- including the Alexandrian text--it is rendered by the word "angelos." This text was in existence in the time of Christ, but there is no indication that He ever corrected or queried it. Can we not assume from His silence that He agreed with the translation!

It was not my suggestion that that ALL the fallen angels are currently in chains. The scriptures informs of 1/3 the legion they comes as many every time, the whole army of lying spirits as the foundation of necromancy.

There were giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

The same is happening today average or short people have sexual relationships together .Its called being unevenly yoked . Not in size but in spirit . If any man has not the Spirit of Christ whether they are Giants, average, or midgets. They simply do not belong to Christ.

The flood was to preserve the spiritual l seed "Christ" as a warning. Next he will destroy the whole first creation as rudiments of this world .

Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise."

They are the unbelievers( no faith) in respect to no new born again spirit .When their temporal corrupted spirit departs from the body of flesh, bodies of death . It returns to the Father of spirits. And their dead bodies of flesh and blood as rudiments of this world return to the dust . They will not rise to new spirit life in their new incorruptible bodies on the last day.

 

[LPT]

Again. The "hell" that will be cast into the lake of fire is Hades, the current abode, or holding place of the dead. Hades is not gehenna, although both are sometimes translated as hell.

I've never heard of Gehenna but indeed hades hell whatever one wants to call it, is the place the fallen ones have be since disobeying God in heaven.

 

[LPT]

If Adam and Eve where lead by the Holy Spirit before they chose to take the knowledge of good and evil then they would never have chosen to take the knowledge of good and evil..

We who have the Holy Spirit are indeed the adopted sons and daughters of God ..

I don't think you understood what I was saying.

 

[CS1]

Here I'll let YOU read it again:
Jude:
6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has RESERVED in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a SIMILAR manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.


What part of that passage do you not understand? And if they are not being held under darkness for a yet future judgement on the great day because of sexual sin, AS JUDE CLEARLY SAYS IS THE REASON, what exactly are they being held for?

Further, they are NOT currently in Gehenna. They haven't even been judged yet. And we will be a part of their judging.
1 Corinthians 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?


I think it's you that needs to reexamine the context.

I have and you have built your understanding from a false context in Gen 6. Your scriptual text in 1cor 6:3 the context does not start in verse 3 , it starts in chapter 5 through 6 they are unit chapters. It is man that is doing this not angels .

Jude does not provide confrimation of this assertion. What Jude does confrim yet as did Gen 6 and 1cor 6 is man has done sin in the sight of God.

 

[LPT]

I have and you have built your understanding from a false context in Gen 6. Your scriptual text in 1cor 6:3 the context does not start in verse 3 , it starts in chapter 5 through 6 they are unit chapters. It is man that is doing this not angels .

Jude does not provide confrimation of this assertion. What Jude does confrim yet as did Gen 6 and 1cor 6 is man has done sin in the sight of God.

What I find interesting is the Hebrew word nephilim, Strong's Concordance #H5303, is defined as someone who is a feller, meaning a person who is a tyrant or bully. surely not a super human race just another human with a bad temper lol.

 

[LPT]

From time to time we see the remanences of these sons of God.

 

[DudleyDorite]

What I find interesting is the Hebrew word nephilim, Strong's Concordance #H5303, is defined as someone who is a feller, meaning a person who is a tyrant or bully. surely not a super human race just another human with a bad temper lol.

The word nephlim is better translated "FALLER" as it comes from a word 'TO FALL.' The picture you posted above has nothing to do with giants. I did a little research....

The Septuagint or LXX is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The translators of the Septuagint translated 'sons of God' as “angels.” They clearly thought it referred to angelic beings, not people descended from Seth. They are either demons (angels in rebellion against God) or uniquely demon-possessed men, and the daughters of men are human women.

The nephelim are not the only tribe of giants. The Rephaim are giants and the word is translated 17 times as "giants" and 8 times as 'Rephaim'. 2 Samuel describes them, and so does the book of Jubilees. 2 Samuel says they had 6 fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. Their height was between 10-15 feet tall.

2 Samuel 21:19-20...

Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. And there was still another battle at Gath, where there was a man of great stature with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot— twenty-four in all. He too was descended from Rapha, and when he taunted Israel, Jonathan the son of David's brother Shimei killed him.…

I say the evidence is clear, giants are the offspring of demons.

 

[LPT]

The word nephlim is better translated "FALLER" as it comes from a word 'TO FALL.' The picture you posted above has nothing to do with giants. I did a little research....

The Septuagint or LXX is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The translators of the Septuagint translated 'sons of God' as “angels.” They clearly thought it referred to angelic beings, not people descended from Seth. They are either demons (angels in rebellion against God) or uniquely demon-possessed men, and the daughters of men are human women.

The nephelim are not the only tribe of giants. The Rephaim are giants and the word is translated 17 times as "giants" and 8 times as 'Rephaim'. 2 Samuel describes them, and so does the book of Jubilees. 2 Samuel says they had 6 fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. Their height was between 10-15 feet tall.

2 Samuel 21:19-20...

Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. And there was still another battle at Gath, where there was a man of great stature with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot— twenty-four in all. He too was descended from Rapha, and when he taunted Israel, Jonathan the son of David's brother Shimei killed him.…

I say the evidence is clear, giants are the offspring of demons.

Yea no doubt those human giants fell from grace, they didn't want to have God to determine who to marry. They wanted to marry the worldly woman thus didn't live that long. Through out 2 Peter 2 the same is mentioned over and over (man) Those giant humans were tall of coarse but as 2 Peter 2 says they were just mere men.

 

[LPT]

Look up this condition is called hexadactyly. babies born with six fingers or toes is still common today.

 

[LPT]

 

[LPT]

They where all just 100% Human people nothing more nothing less.

 

[CS1]

What I find interesting is the Hebrew word nephilim, Strong's Concordance #H5303, is defined as someone who is a feller, meaning a person who is a tyrant or bully. surely not a super human race just another human with a bad temper lol.

LOL yep a feller

 

[LPT]

Talking about extremes this little guy takes the cake Literally.

 

[CS1]

yep called birth defect

 

[CS1]

Talking about extremes this little guy takes the cake Literally.

wow that picture gives context to Gen 6... said no one.

 

[Dino246]

Talking about extremes this little guy takes the cake Literally.

Most people can count on their fingers and toes. This little guy does tensor calculus on his.

 

[LPT]

Most people can count one their fingers and toes. This little guy does tensor calculus on his.

Hahaha, your right about that my friend...

 

[LPT]

yep called birth defect

I know right, the bible tells of things like that was along time ago as well IMO.

 

[LPT]

Here's another bible account of a birth defect.

John 9:1-2
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

 

[garee]

From my reading of the Bible the angels that came down and had Children with human woman where cast into the pit and are being held there still untill the day of Judgement. They did not die..

Like us, the body of aliens die and their spirit lives on. Their fate and situation is very similar to ours. I associate aliens with fallen angels because much of the phenomena that surrounds their behavior is very spiritualistic. In my view there's no other way of explaining aliens. They are fallen angels who become disembodied spirits after their body dies. Another reason why I associate them with fallen angels is because of the information I received from a man I interviewed in the late 70's about his abductions. The ironic thing is, hundreds of people record the same experience.

There is nothing coming from the word of God that would give us the idea of aliens or alien abduction It is simply the father of lies
bring his lying sign a lying wonder.

Why any Christian would go above that which is written and claim that having a experince in the unseen thing generated from their own fleshly mind should I believe cause them to cry out to God for deliverance form those


Experience is not the validator of the spiritual truth of God .God's word as it is written alone is. This includes near death ,out of the body experience or dream interpretation . God is no longer brining new revelations of any manner . We have the whole council of God within the pages of the Bible.

If an assumed experience was the validator of spiritual truth then the Son of man failed. Again if what we hear does not come as it is written then it is not of God

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

This man was abducted for 15 years. The US government told him to keep his mouth shut. Nothing he did helped. He was abducted over and over again, especially when he went into the country. He decided to go see a priest. The priest told him the next time you see them coming after you, get out of the car and point your finger right at them and tell them, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" He went into the country one day and there they were coming after him AGAIN. He got out of the car and said, "In the mane of Jesus Christ and the power of God Almighty get away from me and leave me alone!" They fled! Hundreds of people have documented experiencing the same thing!

Mark 16:17, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;

Signs do not lead they follow .And the signs in Mark 16 support not going above that as it is written. They have meaning attached to them. It is not opening the air ways to anything that comes from ones fleshly mind puffing its up above as it is written .

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossian 2:18