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It is a closing event for the church
Paul's ministry ends with the rapture.
But God's program on earth goes on for another 1, 000 years ... with the now converted Jews.
Heaven and earth will be united in that day.
Ephesians.1. 9-10
For He has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of His will according to His purpose which He set forth in Christ as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.
... the fulness of time is a synonym for the 1, 000 years.
Paul's ministry ends with the rapture.
But God's program on earth goes on for another 1, 000 years ... with the now converted Jews.
Heaven and earth will be united in that day.
Ephesians.1. 9-10
For He has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of His will according to His purpose which He set forth in Christ as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.
... the fulness of time is a synonym for the 1, 000 years.
You may not agree but I hope you will appreciate my taking trouble to write out this scripture [one among others] for the reason I believe that the Jews will be converted at the rapture.
Zechariah 12. 10
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication so that when they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced they shall mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child and as one weeps bitterly for a firstborn.
On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-Rimmon in the plain of Meggido.
The land shall mourn, each family by itself, the family of the house of David by itself, the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves, the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives, the family of the house of Shimmeites by itself and their wives and all the families that are left by themselves and their wives by themselves.
This is the new birth of the nation of Israel.
Zechariah 12. 10
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication so that when they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced they shall mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child and as one weeps bitterly for a firstborn.
On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-Rimmon in the plain of Meggido.
The land shall mourn, each family by itself, the family of the house of David by itself, the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves, the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives, the family of the house of Shimmeites by itself and their wives and all the families that are left by themselves and their wives by themselves.
This is the new birth of the nation of Israel.
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"The Great GRACE Departure" was borrowed from David Jeremiah when he
misspoke saying: "Grace departure" instead of his intended "Great departure."
So, I just combined the Two Into one [ pre-trib ] phrase [ aka 'rapture' ].
But, should we do the same with God's TWO Different programs?:
Remains to be seen, as we continue { to the finish? of } a 'Rightly
Divided' Word Of Truth study, eh?
Nice new re-name for me? I like it! ♫ 😇 ↑
Keep it up, precious friend
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Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending with the
Complete [ Heavenly ] Body being 'caught up!' [ pre-trib, 'to heaven',
later in the study ], but for now, the Two Different 'Comings', eh?:
(2) How is CHRIST Coming, at The End of The [ Secret ] "Dispensation Of Grace"
Unprophesied, being "Hid In God," Until being Revealed to Paul, our apostle?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
God's Other program, number Two [ where is the 'catching up'? ],
with The Second Prophesied Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
(2) How Different is CHRIST Coming, after "The Prophesied Great Tribulation"?:
[ Already ] In Heaven"? Pray tell, precious friend, When did that Occur,
if not 'pre=trib'? We shall see, eh?
Amen.
Agreed:
Q: So should I really homogenize / conflate / combine these Two together
into one, or, 'leave' them in God's Appropriate Different { Two } Contexts,
and Rightly Divide them, thus, avoiding Confusion?
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Precious friend, great discussion - thanks:
5 more points, further Clarifying [ Mystery ] pre-trib rapture before
Daniel's [ Prophesied ] 70th week - to be continued...
misspoke saying: "Grace departure" instead of his intended "Great departure."
So, I just combined the Two Into one [ pre-trib ] phrase [ aka 'rapture' ].
But, should we do the same with God's TWO Different programs?:
Remains to be seen, as we continue { to the finish? of } a 'Rightly
Divided' Word Of Truth study, eh?
Nice new re-name for me? I like it! ♫ 😇 ↑
Keep it up, precious friend
:Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending with the
Complete [ Heavenly ] Body being 'caught up!' [ pre-trib, 'to heaven',
later in the study ], but for now, the Two Different 'Comings', eh?:
(2) How is CHRIST Coming, at The End of The [ Secret ] "Dispensation Of Grace"
Unprophesied, being "Hid In God," Until being Revealed to Paul, our apostle?:
"...For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God..."
(1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
God's Other program, number Two [ where is the 'catching up'? ],
with The Second Prophesied Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
(2) How Different is CHRIST Coming, after "The Prophesied Great Tribulation"?:
"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His Head were
many crowns; and He had A Name Written, that no man
knew, but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture
dipped in blood: and His Name is Called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon
white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And
out of His Mouth goeth a sharp Sword, that with it He should
smite the nations..." (Revelation 19:12-15)
Wait! What? Is not The Body Of Christ one of "the armies which Were[ Already ] In Heaven"? Pray tell, precious friend, When did that Occur,
if not 'pre=trib'? We shall see, eh?
Amen.
Agreed:
Q: So should I really homogenize / conflate / combine these Two together
into one, or, 'leave' them in God's Appropriate Different { Two } Contexts,
and Rightly Divide them, thus, avoiding Confusion?
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Precious friend, great discussion - thanks:
5 more points, further Clarifying [ Mystery ] pre-trib rapture before
Daniel's [ Prophesied ] 70th week - to be continued...
YES! You know to put my self out there not along ago wide awake He showed me this oh such a beautiful small tree with tons of branches all in the shape of a U which I know now was exaclty like the Jewish candel. Anyway its what you said...He said "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". I was asking Him about me and a Jewish person and if He loved me the same... yes yes I know silly sad but that is how He answered it.
The part "show me a branch that was originally of the vine"
The part "show me a branch that was originally of the vine"
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That is ok.
Jew and Gentile are not recognised in the church but one new man. And we all will go to meet the Lord in the air when He comes. BUT.
There is still Jews, nobody considers them, the devil is very interested in them.
They are the seed of Abraham too, according to the flesh. They are not the church but they are the seed of Abraham and God has made promises to them, to them is promised the ends of the earth. We are promised heaven, we are not promised to inherit the earth.
Jew and Gentile are not recognised in the church but one new man. And we all will go to meet the Lord in the air when He comes. BUT.
There is still Jews, nobody considers them, the devil is very interested in them.
They are the seed of Abraham too, according to the flesh. They are not the church but they are the seed of Abraham and God has made promises to them, to them is promised the ends of the earth. We are promised heaven, we are not promised to inherit the earth.
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"The Great GRACE Departure" was borrowed from David Jeremiah when he
misspoke saying: "Grace departure" instead of his intended "Great departure."
So, I just combined the Two Into one [ pre-trib ] phrase [ aka 'rapture' ].
But, should we do the same with God's TWO Different programs?:
Remains to be seen, as we continue { to the finish? of } a 'Rightly
Divided' Word Of Truth study, eh?
Nice new re-name for me? I like it! ♫ 😇 ↑
Keep it up, precious friend :
Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending with the
Complete [ Heavenly ] Body being 'caught up!' [ pre-trib, 'to heaven',
later in the study ], but for now, the Two Different 'Comings', eh?:
(2) How is CHRIST Coming, at The End of The [ Secret ] "Dispensation Of Grace"
Unprophesied, being "Hid In God," Until being Revealed to Paul, our apostle?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
God's Other program, number Two [ where is the 'catching up'? ],
with The Second Prophesied Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
(2) How Different is CHRIST Coming, after "The Prophesied Great Tribulation"?:
[ Already ] In Heaven"? Pray tell, precious friend, When did that Occur,
if not 'pre=trib'? We shall see, eh?
Amen.
Agreed:
Q: So should I really homogenize / conflate / combine these Two together
into one, or, 'leave' them in God's Appropriate Different { Two } Contexts,
and Rightly Divide them, thus, avoiding Confusion?
-------------------------
Precious friend, great discussion - thanks:
5 more points, further Clarifying [ Mystery ] pre-trib rapture before
Daniel's [ Prophesied ] 70th week - to be continued...
misspoke saying: "Grace departure" instead of his intended "Great departure."
So, I just combined the Two Into one [ pre-trib ] phrase [ aka 'rapture' ].
But, should we do the same with God's TWO Different programs?:
Remains to be seen, as we continue { to the finish? of } a 'Rightly
Divided' Word Of Truth study, eh?
Nice new re-name for me? I like it! ♫ 😇 ↑
Keep it up, precious friend
:Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending with the
Complete [ Heavenly ] Body being 'caught up!' [ pre-trib, 'to heaven',
later in the study ], but for now, the Two Different 'Comings', eh?:
(2) How is CHRIST Coming, at The End of The [ Secret ] "Dispensation Of Grace"
Unprophesied, being "Hid In God," Until being Revealed to Paul, our apostle?:
"...For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God..."
(1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
God's Other program, number Two [ where is the 'catching up'? ],
with The Second Prophesied Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
(2) How Different is CHRIST Coming, after "The Prophesied Great Tribulation"?:
"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His Head were
many crowns; and He had A Name Written, that no man
knew, but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture
dipped in blood: and His Name is Called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon
white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And
out of His Mouth goeth a sharp Sword, that with it He should
smite the nations..." (Revelation 19:12-15)
Wait! What? Is not The Body Of Christ one of "the armies which Were[ Already ] In Heaven"? Pray tell, precious friend, When did that Occur,
if not 'pre=trib'? We shall see, eh?
Amen.
Agreed:
Q: So should I really homogenize / conflate / combine these Two together
into one, or, 'leave' them in God's Appropriate Different { Two } Contexts,
and Rightly Divide them, thus, avoiding Confusion?
-------------------------
Precious friend, great discussion - thanks:
5 more points, further Clarifying [ Mystery ] pre-trib rapture before
Daniel's [ Prophesied ] 70th week - to be continued...
Again we see the armies that follow the Word of God on His white horse are clothed in fine linen bright and pure. So there is good reason to think the Bride and the army are the same. He goeth forth to conquer .... but I see no rapture.
Here a word
We must all be saved from the wrath of God, there is no quarrel here, it cannot happen that even one of the least of the Lord's brethren could undergo wrath. But Tribulation is not wrath, the Great Tribulation is not God's wrath.
In the world you will have tribulation, tribulation is from the world. It should read persecution, The great tribulation is the great end-times persecution we are warned to expect. Where does the term tribulation arise? Is it not Jacob? when he was fleeing Laban, in great terror was he, fleeing an angry Laban into the arms of the waiting Esau who [for all he knew] was going to skin him alive, yes Jacob was in terror. But God saved him.
So with the time of Jacob's trouble God saw the children of Israel that they were in panic [Jeremiah 31] every face turned to paleness, but God said "FEAR NOT, BE NOT DISMAYED... I will save you out of it"
The point is the tribulation comes not from God it comes from the world.
God's wrath comes upon the tribulators. they are different events, the one, tribulation, before God's deliverance, the other after God's deliverance.
Amen! Neither do I see a post-trib rapture, after Great Tribulation, when the
prophesied Second Coming Occurs!! Just to clarify [ this complex issue], are
you now re-defining 'post trib' rapture to mean something else? Because
you previously pointed out:
So, to continue with my pre-trib position, comparing Two Different programs:
Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending / Closing with:
Next?:
3) Who will God (JESUS CHRIST), As The Head Of The Body, Bring With Him?
Is it not those "asleep In Jesus"?:
The Entire Body Of Christ [ belonging In The UNprophesied Mystery ] is
resurrected / raptured / changed into "incorruptible, and immortality,"
Correct?
Program 2: God's Other program, including The Second Prophesied
Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
and?:
(3) Who will, with Christ As "The Son of man, The KING of kings, and LORD of
lords", leave Heaven with Him? Apparently we are in agreement on this:
Exactly!:
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So, post-trib would have us believe in one program, and that the
"asleep souls Jesus (God) Brought with Him [ pre-trib ]" are the exact
same as these armies, who, if I am not mistaken, are [ at least one * of
them ] already resurrected, glorified, and incorruptible, and immortal,
and are "clothed in fine linen, white and clean", eh?
Amen.
* the "other army" being "All His holy angels (Matthew 25:31), Correct?
Don't you just LOVE a Great Bible study?
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Precious friend, still cordial and great discussion - appreciate it Much ♫ 😇 ↑ :
3-5 more points left - to be continued...
prophesied Second Coming Occurs!! Just to clarify [ this complex issue], are
you now re-defining 'post trib' rapture to mean something else? Because
you previously pointed out:
So, to continue with my pre-trib position, comparing Two Different programs:
Program One: God's Heavenly "Revelation Of His Mystery",
Containing Grace For The Body Of Christ, and Ending / Closing with:
"...The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God..."
(1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Next?:
3) Who will God (JESUS CHRIST), As The Head Of The Body, Bring With Him?
Is it not those "asleep In Jesus"?:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the
body, and to be { souls? } present with the Lord. " (2 Corinthians 5:8)
+"For to me to live is Christ, and to die Is Gain...For I am in a strait
betwixt two, having a desire to depart [ his soul? ], and to be
with Christ; which is far better" (Philippians 1:21-23)
"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,
concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow
not, even as others which have no hope.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so
them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."
(4) Why Does The Head Of His Body Bring those "asleep In Jesus"?"...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are
alive and remain shall be caught up together with them..."
+"Behold, I shew you A Mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall
all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must
put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The Entire Body Of Christ [ belonging In The UNprophesied Mystery ] is
resurrected / raptured / changed into "incorruptible, and immortality,"
Correct?
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:Program 2: God's Other program, including The Second Prophesied
Coming For the earthly nation Of Israel:
"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His Head were
many crowns; and He had A Name Written, that no man
knew, but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture
dipped in blood: and His Name is Called The Word of God.
and?:
(3) Who will, with Christ As "The Son of man, The KING of kings, and LORD of
lords", leave Heaven with Him? Apparently we are in agreement on this:
Exactly!:
And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon
white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean..."
(Revelation 19:14)
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So, post-trib would have us believe in one program, and that the
"asleep souls Jesus (God) Brought with Him [ pre-trib ]" are the exact
same as these armies, who, if I am not mistaken, are [ at least one * of
them ] already resurrected, glorified, and incorruptible, and immortal,
and are "clothed in fine linen, white and clean", eh?
Amen.
* the "other army" being "All His holy angels (Matthew 25:31), Correct?
Don't you just LOVE a Great Bible study?
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Precious friend, still cordial and great discussion - appreciate it Much ♫ 😇 ↑ :
3-5 more points left - to be continued...
It's most likely going to be mid-trib - but definitely not pre-trib
Supposedly, the first 3 years of the anti-christ will be somewhat peaceful which kinda makes sense because he could not take over the world by having a press conference saying "Hi, I'm the anti-christ and I'm here to deceive as many as possible in to going to hell!"
He's probably going to be someone who appears to be this great humanitarian that everyone loves including communist China, Russia, as well as the followers of islam. The US will probably be happy to turn over our national sovereignty to the one world government when the time comes depending on which globalist is in the Whitehouse at the time. All the POTUS has to do is sign an executive order and that'll be that! (Americans aren't going to rebel so no need to worry about any of that)
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).
*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)
Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed
This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power
Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.
Supposedly, the first 3 years of the anti-christ will be somewhat peaceful which kinda makes sense because he could not take over the world by having a press conference saying "Hi, I'm the anti-christ and I'm here to deceive as many as possible in to going to hell!"
He's probably going to be someone who appears to be this great humanitarian that everyone loves including communist China, Russia, as well as the followers of islam. The US will probably be happy to turn over our national sovereignty to the one world government when the time comes depending on which globalist is in the Whitehouse at the time. All the POTUS has to do is sign an executive order and that'll be that! (Americans aren't going to rebel so no need to worry about any of that)
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).
*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)
Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed
This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power
Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.
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Precious friend, Welcome, and, appreciate your Valuable [ cordial ] input.
You do realize, of course, that there are actually Two raptures mid-trib, and
Neither are The Body Of Christ?:
But What It Does Say Is:
Now, Because some change The Day Of Christ, it behooves us to know
the difference, eh?:
According To the preaching of JESUS CHRIST, In The Revelation Of The
Mystery { where alone the 'rapture' of The Body Of Christ Is Found}!
(Romans - Philemon!), "The Day Of CHRIST!" =
The "Judgment Day" Of The Heavenly Body Of CHRIST,
who Will Be Taken Home To Heaven { LIGHT! }, For "shame... and/or:
...rewards, rejoicing, And reigning!" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15) Amen?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
According To Law / Covenants and "Prophecy!" [where no 'rapture' of
The Body Of Christ is found]:
The Day Of The LORD / "earthly" Israel / nations! in judgment /
wrath / battle / destruction / terror / DARKNESS / horror / pain! =
--------------------- Time Of JACOB's Trouble!!:
“The Day Of The LORD!” is common throughout the Old Testament.
The prophets referred constantly to it. In the New Testament,
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, Paul, and Peter referred to It! Some of
the Many Passages are the following:
Isaiah 2:11-12, 17, 13:4-6, 9, 13, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3;
Joel 1:15, 2:1, 11, 31, 3:14; Amos 5:18, 20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7, 14;
Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Matthew 24:1-51; Acts 2:20; Romans 2:5;
1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 1:10;
compare: "That Day" in Isaiah 2:11, 17, 20, 3:18.
Finally, there is Also: "The Day Of God!":
Conclusion, only one question: Should God's "children of Light"
(Ephesians 5:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:5) In The Body Of CHRIST,
Really prefer Darkness Over LIGHT?
Thus, we believe, with Paul, that our Departure To Glory
Imminent (Could happen At Any Moment, No signs required)!
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Again, God Admonishes All diligent Bible students:
"Prove All things; hold fast that which is good!"
Amen.
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Unpacking this study here, cordially with @Evmur:
Great GRACE Departure!
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In Christ,
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
You do realize, of course, that there are actually Two raptures mid-trib, and
Neither are The Body Of Christ?:
1) two witnesses "ascended up to heaven" (Rev 11:11-12 KJV), And:
2) 144,000 "sealed on earth" (Rev 7:4-8 KJV), and then "redeemed {raptured?}
from the earth, And found before *The Throne Of God" (14:3-5 KJV)
? Very Correct, it does not say "the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens"But What It Does Say Is:
"...The Day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any
means: for That Day shall not come, except there come a falling
away [ The Departure ] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition" (2Th 2:2-3)
Now, Because some change The Day Of Christ, it behooves us to know
the difference, eh?:
Day of CHRIST vs Day Of The LORD!
According To the preaching of JESUS CHRIST, In The Revelation Of The
Mystery { where alone the 'rapture' of The Body Of Christ Is Found}!
(Romans - Philemon!), "The Day Of CHRIST!" =
The "Judgment Day" Of The Heavenly Body Of CHRIST,
who Will Be Taken Home To Heaven { LIGHT! }, For "shame... and/or:
...rewards, rejoicing, And reigning!" (1 Corinthians 3:8-15) Amen?:
“That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit
or by word, nor by letter as from us, as that The Day Of CHRIST is at
hand." (2 Thessalonians 2:2)
“Who Shall Confirm you Unto the end, that ye may be blameless
In The Day Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST!" (1 Corinthians 1:8)
“To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved In The Day Of The LORD JESUS!"
(1 Corinthians 5:5)
“As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing,
even as ye also are ours in the In The Day Of The LORD JESUS!"
(2 Corinthians 1:14)
“Being confident Of This Very Thing, That HE Which Hath Begun A
Good Work In you, Will Perform It Until The Day Of JESUS CHRIST!"
(Philippians 1:6)
“That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye
may be sincere and without offence till The Day Of CHRIST!"
(Philippians 1:10)
“Holding forth The WORD Of Life; that I may rejoice in
The Day Of CHRIST that I have not run in vain, neither
laboured in vain." (Philippians 2:16)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
According To Law / Covenants and "Prophecy!" [where no 'rapture' of
The Body Of Christ is found]:
The Day Of The LORD / "earthly" Israel / nations! in judgment /
wrath / battle / destruction / terror / DARKNESS / horror / pain! =
--------------------- Time Of JACOB's Trouble!!:
“The Day Of The LORD!” is common throughout the Old Testament.
The prophets referred constantly to it. In the New Testament,
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, Paul, and Peter referred to It! Some of
the Many Passages are the following:
Isaiah 2:11-12, 17, 13:4-6, 9, 13, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3;
Joel 1:15, 2:1, 11, 31, 3:14; Amos 5:18, 20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7, 14;
Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Matthew 24:1-51; Acts 2:20; Romans 2:5;
1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 1:10;
compare: "That Day" in Isaiah 2:11, 17, 20, 3:18.
"That Day" is a time of terror, darkness, and wrath. It is a
“day of visitation” (Isaiah 10:3), a “Day of the Wrath Of
The LORD!” (Ezekiel 7:19), THE “Great Day Of The LORD!”
(Zephaniah 1:14)
-------------Finally, there is Also: "The Day Of God!":
"Looking for and hasting unto The Coming Of The Day Of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the
elements shall melt with fervent heat?" (2 Peter 3:12)
---------Conclusion, only one question: Should God's "children of Light"
(Ephesians 5:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:5) In The Body Of CHRIST,
Really prefer Darkness Over LIGHT?
Thus, we believe, with Paul, that our Departure To Glory
Imminent (Could happen At Any Moment, No signs required)!
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Again, God Admonishes All diligent Bible students:
"Prove All things; hold fast that which is good!"
Amen.
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Unpacking this study here, cordially with @Evmur:
Great GRACE Departure!
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In Christ,
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
You forgot to mention this one
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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In response please note:
1. We are PRESENTLY in the falling away or apostasy of Christendom. Churches which once stood for the truth have either compromised or departed from the truth.
2. The Bible makes it clear that the coming of Christ for His Bride (the Church) has always been imminent. Christ said so many times, and even the apostolic churches expected Him at that time.
3. Unless the Church (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Christ) and the Holy Spirit (which also indwells the Church) are "taken out of the way", the Antichrist cannot take TOTAL control of the world for 3 1/2 years (Rev 13).
4. You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 through 18 (which corresponds to the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation). Surely if the churches were still there they would be mentioned.
5. Since there is no one left to preach the Gospel, God sends His two prophets to the earth at the same time as the reign of the Antichrist (Rev 11). Many are converted, and therefore martyred during the Antichrist's reign.
1. We are PRESENTLY in the falling away or apostasy of Christendom. Churches which once stood for the truth have either compromised or departed from the truth.
2. The Bible makes it clear that the coming of Christ for His Bride (the Church) has always been imminent. Christ said so many times, and even the apostolic churches expected Him at that time.
3. Unless the Church (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Christ) and the Holy Spirit (which also indwells the Church) are "taken out of the way", the Antichrist cannot take TOTAL control of the world for 3 1/2 years (Rev 13).
4. You will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4 through 18 (which corresponds to the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation). Surely if the churches were still there they would be mentioned.
5. Since there is no one left to preach the Gospel, God sends His two prophets to the earth at the same time as the reign of the Antichrist (Rev 11). Many are converted, and therefore martyred during the Antichrist's reign.
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I cannot admit that there are many or even more than one coming of the Son of Man upon the clouds with great power and glory, with angels and trumpet. As in Matt.24 so in Thess. 2. This is after the tribulation of those days.
Where we are stuck is what you [along with most all] call the tribulation or Great Tribulation and what is called the wrath of God.
The Great Tribulation comes from man, the world.
Matt.24. vs.9.
Then they shall deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
Revelations 19. vs14 speaks of the Lord going forth to wreak vengeance.
They are so clearly different events. The Great Tribulation comes before the gathering the wrath of God comes after. Tribulation comes from the world and should be understood as persecution, the wrath of God is God's response after the gathering. It is the vengeance of God upon the persecutors.
... regards. ... we are quite far apart
Where we are stuck is what you [along with most all] call the tribulation or Great Tribulation and what is called the wrath of God.
The Great Tribulation comes from man, the world.
Matt.24. vs.9.
Then they shall deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
Revelations 19. vs14 speaks of the Lord going forth to wreak vengeance.
They are so clearly different events. The Great Tribulation comes before the gathering the wrath of God comes after. Tribulation comes from the world and should be understood as persecution, the wrath of God is God's response after the gathering. It is the vengeance of God upon the persecutors.
... regards. ... we are quite far apart
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