Rapture= false teaching

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You don't know when He's coming because it's a mystery, but He will just appear.
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I may not know the day or hour of His return but i do know this.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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The Pretribulation Rapture
  • Christ comes for His own (John 14:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:17)
  • He comes in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17)
  • He comes to claim his bride (John 14:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
  • Only His own see Him (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)
  • Saved are delivered from wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9; Revelation 3:10)
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The crazy thing is the first four event are according to scripture post trib events, as well as the first two scripture you gave referring to delivering us from the post tribulational wrath of God not the tribulation and the last scripture Revelation 3:10 is referring to keeping us from temptation not removing us from earth. Yet you use them to promote your false pretrib doctrine.
 
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hey dude think for one minute please .just take a breathe and think it says pray that your flight is not in the winter , what is right before winter, which season does this mean Fall/ autumn, what is fall to a farmer/ wow dude it is harvest time, there is nothing in scriptures about a devil winter or a new summer, please if there is could you show it to me?
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Don't bother. From what I've seen so far, it is the post-tribbers who say things like "you will be ashamed" and "we're the trumpeteers here to wake you up" just goes to show how much they've elevated themselves already. They're not trying to change our minds. They're just trying to rub in the "I'm right, you're wrong" and the "I told you so" statements - all symptoms of pride. Conversely, I've seen more pre-tribbers posting about how it is more important to do the work of Christ, to live in a Christ-like manner rather than bashing people over the head on end times theology, and to love one another with encouragement and support. See the difference? People who read the posts will judge for themselves.
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Don't bother. From what I've seen so far, it is the post-tribbers who say things like "you will be ashamed" and "we're the trumpeteers here to wake you up" just goes to show how much they've elevated themselves already. They're not trying to change our minds. They're just trying to rub in the "I'm right, you're wrong" and the "I told you so" statements - all symptoms of pride. Conversely, I've seen more pre-tribbers posting about how it is more important to do the work of Christ, to live in a Christ-like manner rather than bashing people over the head on end times theology, and to love one another with encouragement and support. See the difference? People who read the posts will judge for themselves.
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Actually it is you that is full of pride. Scripture teaches us that the rapture is post trib yet you refuse to believe God because you think you know better how He should deliver His people than He does that is pride to the enth degree. I for one do not want to rub you face in anything but to as you said awaking you to the truth.
 
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Actually it is you that is full of pride. Scripture teaches us that the rapture is post trib yet you refuse to believe God because you think you know better how He should deliver His people than He does that is pride to the enth degree. I for one do not want to rub you face in anything but to as you said awaking you to the truth.
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That is not pride. That is unbelief. You say you want to convince me that I'm wrong, right? That's your goal, right? Well, you have failed and now I am shutting my ears to what you have to say. Is that the result you are after? If it is, you got it and if I happen to be wrong and you happen to be right, then you've just caused me to sin by placing a stumbling block in my path. So therefore, by scripture, it is better for you to hang a millstone around your neck and drown yourself.

If you are doing all this for my well-being, you would have either succeeded or at least put the thought in my head that I should re-investigate. But you have failed and only shut me off. So I can only come to the conclusion that you did not have my well-being in mind in the first place. Since you did not have my well-being in mind at all, then you can't possibly be a trumpeter sent to "wake us up" as you so fondly refer yourself to because the goal of the trumpeter is to wake us up with love and concern for our well-being. I have seen neither from you.
 
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That is not pride. That is unbelief. You say you want to convince me that I'm wrong, right? That's your goal, right? Well, you have failed and now I am shutting my ears to what you have to say. Is that the result you are after?
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I have not failed. My job is to speak the truth, I have done so and used scripture to prove that it is truth. It is up to you to hear and respond. No i have not failed, you have.
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now I am shutting my ears to what you have to say. Is that the result you are after?
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You ears were shut long before you ever heard of me.
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If it is, you got it and if I happen to be wrong and you happen to be right, then you've just caused me to sin by placing a stumbling block in my path. So therefore, by scripture, it is better for you to hang a millstone around your neck and drown yourself.
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Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
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If you are doing all this for my well-being, you would have either succeeded or at least put the thought in my head that I should re-investigate. But you have failed and only shut me off. So I can only come to the conclusion that you did not have my well-being in mind in the first place. Since you did not have my well-being in mind at all, then you can't possibly be a trumpeter sent to "wake us up" as you so fondly refer yourself to because the goal of the trumpeter is to wake us up with love and concern for our well-being. I have seen neither from you.
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You do not hate me because I do not want what is best for you, but because i have exposed your precious doctrine for what it is a lie from Satan.
 
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I believe this is spoken to post-tribbers and the ones who will be ashamed are pre-tribbers because they don't expect His coming while they are still on the earth:

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He is revealed, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him in His coming.
 
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I believe this is spoken to post-tribbers and the ones who will be ashamed are pre-tribbers because they don't expect His coming while they are still on the earth:

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He is revealed, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him in His coming.
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And this is a warning to pretribbers who realize the tribulation has started and they or no one else was raptured.

Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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Snail, if you are right I will certainly expect his coming.

If I find the tribulation has started I know I only have to count 7*360 days and the Lord will be here.

The only way I am gonna be surprised is when he comes before the tribulation.

YOU are gonna be really surprised.

If you find yourself left behind, (you know, you base your salvation on faith + something else(like intellect) I have already told you what to expect. lol
 
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Since you did not have my well-being in mind at all, then you can't possibly be a trumpeter sent to "wake us up" as you so fondly refer yourself to because the goal of the trumpeter is to wake us up with love and concern for our well-being.
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Actually the goal of a trumpeter is to blow his trumpet and Watchmen does that quite well.
 
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greatkraw, technically the pre-trib rapture is never referred to as Christ's coming is it? Or is Christ coming twice?
 
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he comes for us to meet him in the air
 
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Oh of course, whilst you fly south like ducks for the winter. So there's actually a second and a third coming?
 
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an early church father thought we would hover in the air for 45 days while Christ remakes the earth lol
 
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Snail, if you are right I will certainly expect his coming.

If I find the tribulation has started I know I only have to count 7*360 days and the Lord will be here.

The only way I am gonna be surprised is when he comes before the tribulation.

YOU are gonna be really surprised.

If you find yourself left behind, (you know, you base your salvation on faith + something else(like intellect) I have already told you what to expect. lol
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Believers will be expecting His return only unbelievers will be taken off guard. just as Noah knew the flood was coming.
Matthew 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


We are told exactly when to expect His coming.
Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Only the wicked will be surprised at Christ return not believers.
1st Thess 5
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
 
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Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Interestingly, pre-tribulation video games like the left behind ones, allow the christian to kill non-converts. A subtle reference to the Lord's servants who commit violence towards others perhaps?
 
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5 were wise(expected His SURPRISE coming)
and 5 were foolish(Have the label Christian but have not the HS)

the joke is, when HE comes pretrib; YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WILL BE SURPRISED
 
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greatkraw said:
5 were wise(expected his SURPRISE coming)
and 5 were foolish(Have the label Christian but have not hte HS)
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hahaha another one on the stupid meter. The five foolish let the lights go out, you know they ''lost'' their salvation......lol
 
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