Rapture

[Fishbait]

Christ was very clear in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and that side profile of Luke 21: Christ will not return to this earth, until after the falling away first.

As Revelation states, once Antichrist gets here at the 6th trump, for 5 months deceiving the world; then after that, dose the Real Christ return at the last Trump, that is the 7th. There is no Antichrist coming at a 8th or 9th trump etc.

Paul even, says Christ returns in 1 Thess 4, at the trump of God. Again, there is only one trump of God, Christ returns in, that is the last Recorded in Revelation 11:15. That is the last. Antichrist dose not come after Christ's return, but before He returns . Read also ( 2 Thess 2: ), among many other places the Christians has to be familiar with.

You're right Nathan "Christ will not return to this earth..." At least not before He does return to this earth at the last trump.

“For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

We will finally be free from sin. We will be in God's presence forever. There is far too much debate over the meaning and scope of the rapture. This is not God’s intent. Rather, in regard to the rapture, God wants us to “encourage each other with these words” (1 Thessalonians 4:18).

 

[Hoffco]

2Thess 2:3 is very clear, "Let no one deceive you...; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition ," vs. three, this man will sit in the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. The tricky part is: there is 3 and a half yrs, between those two events. Because this "man of sin" the "peace maker" makes the peace treaty between the Jews and the Arabs for 7 yrs..(to buy time) But some thing happens and Satan enters the man and He goes crazy mad: Jesus comes,! and raptures His Church at the mid. point and blows the cover of the man of sin, then Satan goes crazy mad at Jesus, and declares Himself to be God. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Yes, We are suppose to comfort one another with this rapture truth, BUT, we have "fallen away", There is so much conflict in churches because Satan has divided us. Soo, please keep a cool head when talking of this comforting truth. Love to all. Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

I do not make the rapture a divisive issue, as long as the brother teaches the rapture and Jesus ruling the earth for 1,ooo yrs. I will fellowship. All the details will "PAN" out. LOL, PAN Rapture, LOLLove to all. Hoffco

 

[adsd]

rev 8: 1 when he opened the 7th seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour
Isaiah 18:4 I will remain quiet and will look on from my dwelling place...6: they will be left on the mountain birds of prey and to the wild beast the birds will feed on them all summer and winter

rev 9:10 they had tails and stings like scorpions and in their tails they had power to torment people for 5 months (Isaiah describes tails as the prophets who teach lies)

probably where the 5 month and word of God taken from earth. pray on it

 

[adsd]

rev 1: 3 Blessed is he who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near
but not blessed is he who see's movies . it is for us to read and pray on His word and to receive understanding. the word is a part of keeping us in tune with God and what goes on in the spirit realm to keep us ready

 

[notuptome]

Acts 1 The disciples are told that as they witnessed Jesus ascend into the clouds He would return in like manner. Believers will see Jesus in the clouds. Unbelievers will see Jesus when He returns to the earth and enters at the Eastern gate of Jerusalem. The day of Christ is not the same as the day of the Lord. Your end times view will not be correct until you see these as separate events to separate groups of people. One to the church and one to Israel. Both in fulfillment of Gods promises.

If you are saved and sealed you will go up in the rapture. If you are left behind you are not saved and are in big trouble.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[adsd]

Yep,

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Question is where is this place? What is the wilderness that is HER place? The word for wilderness is...

G2048
ἔρημος
erēmos
er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.

This could hardly be heaven, but rather a place on earth. The next verses in chapter 12 confirm this...

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Water is a type of peoples or armies...

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

But the EARTH helps the woman. Some event of the earth, perhaps an earthquake, swallows the army coming after the church. It won't be the first time the earth has swallowed up people...

Num 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
Num 16:33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

And according to Rev 12, it will happen again.

I agree learning much. I do believe it is safe place on earth. protected. it is all first spiritual

 

[Hoffco]

The important issue is learning how to "rightly divide" the scriptures, "to cut it straight", or, lay it out correctly, as in making a tent or a dress from the pattern. AND, This is an issue of prophecy and NO ONE can know, ALL the details . until it happens, then God will interpret it for us, as He did the first coming of Jesus; After Jesus came and left, God wrote the interpretation in the N.T. Hoffco

 

[ji]

Calm down. I don't subscribe to the post-tribulation rapture view. I simply asked you to provide a chapter and verse which state that the Holy Spirit will depart with the church prior to the Great Tribulation.

Holy Spirit does not go fully in tribulation period.That's why there are many going to die as Tribulation Martyrs.It contains left behind Christians/new believers.Its all because of the little presence of Holy Spirit.

 

[Hoffco]

I do teach ,the rapture is the 6th seal, then the day of wrath comes hot and heavy. We are the "multitude" saved and came out of the Tribulation of 2,000yrs. long, of Church history. We are in Heaven, the 144,000 Jews are then saved, and left on the earth, for their Tribulation, killed, and raised with all martyars, at Jesus 2nd come to earth to reign, 1,000 yrs.. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[nathan3]

rev 3:10 since you have kept my command to endure patiently , I will also keep you from the hour of trial, that is going to come on the whole world to test those, who live on earth.
seems 1 group will not have to go through it

dose keep mean take ? It doesn't mean take away from my study; before the trib: That's reading a lot in there and neglecting a lot other scripture.

Allowing it to speak, it reads their enduring , is what keeps them, from temptation .where as the rest, are are deceived, they fail the test . This is a subject that has to take in all the Bible has to say about it.

 

[Hoffco]

The Holy Spirit, God never "leaves" the earth, He saves the 144,000 Jews and stays with them to the end ,death, and beyond, God is only holding evil back now, but them God will give Satan more rule. just 3 and a half more yrs. before Jesus 2nd coming. Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Yes, We will be taken out before the last "test" of God is given to those left, the 144,000pass the test, but Satan's crowd fail the test, Hoffco

 

[john832]

I do teach ,the rapture is the 6th seal, then the day of wrath comes hot and heavy. We are the "multitude" saved and came out of the Tribulation of 2,000yrs. long, of Church history. We are in Heaven, the 144,000 Jews are then saved, and left on the earth, for their Tribulation, killed, and raised with all martyars, at Jesus 2nd come to earth to reign, 1,000 yrs.. Love to all, Hoffco

Uh, only twelve thousand are Jews...

Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Now if we want to determine how many are nationally Jews...

Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

12,000 from Judah
12,000 from Benjamin
12,000 from Levi (Most of Levi remained in the South with Judah, just a very few might have went North with Jereboam.)
36,000 Jews (nationally)

 

[nathan3]

Paul and Christ Himself told us, That He will return After, the tribulation of Antichrist. If people ignore Christ's own words, in favor of a tradition of man, then that is setting yourself up for what Paul called, a huge fall; aka the Apostasy . And you won't be able, to blame your pastor, or preacher, you had the word of God, and chose man's teachings, over the simplicity of Chris's teachings .
( I've posted these scriptures more times then I can remember, and most everyone ignores it. )

I'm happy that at least a very small minority is able to see past the smoke that is so prevalent in the world today. You can say, they are "kept" from deception . Because they follow God's word.

 

[Hoffco]

Rev. 12 happens after the rapture of the Church, it is God protecting some of the nation of Israel from the antichrist, These will be saved when they see Jesus coming to earth to rule for 1,000 yrs. Hoffco

 

[nathan3]

Rev. 12 happens after the rapture of the Church, it is God protecting some of the nation of Israel from the antichrist, These will be saved when they see Jesus coming to earth to rule for 1,000 yrs. Hoffco

Saying this, and on the other hand how the Bible it's self presents the information are two different things .

 

[Hoffco]

Nathan, "I beg your pardon" you speak words of ignorance, not comforting words for me ,your brother in Christ. You don't have the "final" say on the 2nd coming of Christ, nor do I, SOOo , pull in your horns, The Devil is using you as a tool of divisiveness in the Church. PLEASE, be kind, For Christ sake. Love Hoffco

 

[nathan3]

Nathan, "I beg your pardon" you speak words of ignorance, not comforting words for me ,your brother in Christ. You don't have the "final" say on the 2nd coming of Christ, nor do I, SOOo , pull in your horns, The Devil is using you as a tool of divisiveness in the Church. PLEASE, be kind, For Christ sake. Love Hoffco

It is a comfort to know Christ will return, & it will be in the order He taught in Matthew 24. if your one of those seeds, that get offended when persecution comes along for the words sake, then what can I say ? You chose that yourself.

Christ comforted us, by allowing us to know all things as its written before the fact, before the fake Christ come: God's words taught in its entirety , is what keeps us for temptation .

If the majority are teaching fly away doctrines and Christ says to those in the scriptures "get away from me", they teach the traditions of men, in Christ name, though God did not send them, then Satan would be in the pulpit today.

And only a few are found worthy to enter the marriage supper of the bridegroom .

So the ones expecting a any-moment return of Christ ignoring all Christ says on the matter, will not be flying up to meet Christ. But in fact will be flying up to meet Satan in the air to be caught way by him.