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JakeM

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
 
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biscuit

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
This topic has been 'beaten to death' here on CC and sparked a few wars between pre-tribs & post-tribs. You may want to do an "advanced search" (located in the upper right corner of page) on the rapture. I have seen all of those movies you listed and they are based on the pre-trib beliefs. I believe there is a rapture that will happen before the tribulation period and the word of God (Holy Spirit) will leave with them (the Church).
 
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oldernotwiser

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isnt the real question is: why does it matter? shouldnt we be ready for whatever god may bring and while we are being ready, caring for the weak and poor ..... hey, WWJD?
 
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biscuit

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isnt the real question is: why does it matter? shouldnt we be ready for whatever god may bring and while we are being ready, caring for the weak and poor ..... hey, WWJD?
Please give him credit for trying to get answers so that he can/may do God's work. He is only 19 and I wish more of his generation had his interest. The overwhelming majority of his generation is ignoring or abandoning the Lord. Some churches are sending these young students of the Lord onto the street to preach God's work, and I see the public just avoid them like the plague. I felt bad for them and I spent time with them talking about the Lord, and pray in public with them. They were very relieved that they were not alone with their beliefs.
 
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p_rehbein

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.

(you can start your search for understanding here.............)

1st Corinthians 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 .) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 .) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 .) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 .) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 .) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 .) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 .) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 .) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 .) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 .) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 .) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 .) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 .) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 

starfield

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Jun 13, 2009
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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
Hi, welcome to the site. Those movies are based on Hollywood-like fiction, not the bible.
 

starfield

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...I have seen all of those movies you listed and they are based on the pre-trib beliefs. I believe there is a rapture that will happen before the tribulation period and the word of God (Holy Spirit) will leave with them (the Church).
How did you arrive at this conclusion? Got any chapter and verse?
 

john832

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
Short answer:

NO.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.

Hello there Jake, there is a Rapture. It does exist and as biscuit mentioned, it is pre-trib.

If you would like to see exactly why it is pre-trib. Then you can check out this recent study which I did on this subject:



http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/86192-more-scriptural-proof-pre-trib-rapture.html
 
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biscuit

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How did you arrive at this conclusion? Got any chapter and verse?
I am a pre-trib and you are a post-trib ... you need to grow up and not start a war with other Christians (slamming the door behind you). SMH!!
 

notuptome

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I am a pre-trib and you are a post-trib ... you need to grow up and not start a war with other Christians (slamming the door behind you). SMH!!
What would be the point of a post-trib rapture?

Comes a thief in the night and many will not be looking for Him. I submit they will be embarrassed at His coming for His bride the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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ji

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
Read the Holy Bible more,not movies.
i have worked in the film industry,they add too much.Not saying all these movies are very bad.
But not too good too.
Holy Bible has the answer for you than me spoon feeding.
Isn't it freely available?
But i will give you this and hoping you will read the Holy Scripture more.
There are no direct Pre trib rapture verses in Holy Bible(KJV 1611).But there are verses which denote and warn about a Pre trib rapture.If anything is to be aware of,it must be getting Prepared of Pre trib rapture.Because post trib can be easily guessed out.But the Holy Scripture contradicts it since no one knows the day and time except the Father in Heaven,not even Jesus knows it.
Please read the Holy Scripture and attain more wisdom than be lazy enough to get it from others.People can mislead.But when you read the Holy Bible(KJV 1611) no one can deceive you and God will direct you in the right path when you Pray along..
 
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ji

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How did you arrive at this conclusion? Got any chapter and verse?
Can you tell that it does mean you know clearly the day when it is going to happen after tribulation?So you can live as you want now,no prob.
And since you know the day,you should tell Jesus too;because He does not know it based on Holy Scripture.
Not at all sarcastic.
 

starfield

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I am a pre-trib and you are a post-trib ... you need to grow up and not start a war with other Christians (slamming the door behind you). SMH!!
Calm down. I don't subscribe to the post-tribulation rapture view. I simply asked you to provide a chapter and verse which state that the Holy Spirit will depart with the church prior to the Great Tribulation.
 

starfield

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What would be the point of a post-trib rapture?

Comes a thief in the night and many will not be looking for Him. I submit they will be embarrassed at His coming for His bride the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yep, I am totally looking forward to da pre-trib. rapture...

 
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nathan3

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Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.

Christ was very clear in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and that side profile of Luke 21: Christ will not return to this earth, until after the falling away first.

As Revelation states, once Antichrist gets here at the 6th trump, for 5 months deceiving the world; then after that, dose the Real Christ return at the last Trump, that is the 7th. There is no Antichrist coming at a 8th or 9th trump etc.

Paul even, says Christ returns in 1 Thess 4, at the trump of God. Again, there is only one trump of God, Christ returns in, that is the last Recorded in Revelation 11:15. That is the last. Antichrist dose not come after Christ's return, but before He returns . Read also ( 2 Thess 2: ), among many other places the Christians has to be familiar with.
 
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blueorchidjd

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Daniel project was good too!
Hey Everyone,

I have recently been watching a lot of rapture movies

Left Behind, The Moment after, Blink of an Eye, 6 The mark of the beast.

Im just really curious about it whether or not the rapture even exists, or if it will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. Im also curious about how the bible says that theres a point where the the word of god will leave the earth.

Any clarifications or general opinions are greatly appriciated.
 

notuptome

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Christ was very clear in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and that side profile of Luke 21: Christ will not return to this earth, until after the falling away first.

As Revelation states, once Antichrist gets here at the 6th trump, for 5 months deceiving the world; then after that, dose the Real Christ return at the last Trump, that is the 7th. There is no Antichrist coming at a 8th or 9th trump etc.

Paul even, says Christ returns in 1 Thess 4, at the trump of God. Again, there is only one trump of God, Christ returns in, that is the last Recorded in Revelation 11:15. That is the last. Antichrist dose not come after Christ's return, but before He returns . Read also ( 2 Thess 2: ), among many other places the Christians has to be familiar with.
Not the same trump in Thess as in Rev. The trump in Rev is a judgment the trump in 1 Thess is a call to glory. Christ comes for His bride with a shout as well. With the voice of an archangel the Lord will call out come up hither a call which only the redeemed will hear. Dramatic liberty taken and exercised.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

adsd

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rev 3:10 since you have kept my command to endure patiently , I will also keep you from the hour of trial, that is going to come on the whole world to test those, who live on earth.
seems 1 group will not have to go through it
 

john832

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rev 3:10 since you have kept my command to endure patiently , I will also keep you from the hour of trial, that is going to come on the whole world to test those, who live on earth.
seems 1 group will not have to go through it
Yep,

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Question is where is this place? What is the wilderness that is HER place? The word for wilderness is...

G2048
ἔρημος
erēmos
er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.

This could hardly be heaven, but rather a place on earth. The next verses in chapter 12 confirm this...

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Water is a type of peoples or armies...

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

But the EARTH helps the woman. Some event of the earth, perhaps an earthquake, swallows the army coming after the church. It won't be the first time the earth has swallowed up people...

Num 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
Num 16:33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

And according to Rev 12, it will happen again.