Real account of a sinner that stood directly before God...

[LaurenTM]

to change what the Messiah said to one's own words, which totally transforms what He said, is dangerous.
I don't care how smart you are.
This is not wise.
keep rebuking sister.

LOL!...why do people keep referring to my intelligence? like it's about 5 or 6 times just the last week alone

anyway, as flattering as that might be, it does nothing to help a person understand what is SPIRITUALLY understood

where are you on the spiritual gifts Mike? you and your gang?

do you leave that teaching out or do you 'observe' it?

I have never changed the words of Jesus...but I will say that He speaks to me personally...through His word, in my spirit and other means

do you not have that available?

only the law Mike? that could explain your lack of belief

listen, what you call my rebuke, is actually only me referring to and quoting scripture...that would be akin to a butterfly passing by that no one even notices

BUT when Christ asks you why you changed what He said? yeah, that's gonna be like the Israelites at the foot of Mt Sinai...and you know what that looked like

 

[disciplemike]

listen, what you call my rebuke, is actually only me referring to and quoting scripture...that would be akin to a butterfly passing by that no one even notices

no dear.
go back and read your previous post.
you used the word "rebuke".

 

[AuntieAnt]

When Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you," he was proclaiming that she wasn't a sinner in his eyes. When he said, "Go and sin no more," he in effect was saying, "Now go and remember that you aren't a sinner."
QUOTE]

That is not only a lie, but a very dangerous lie.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too when I was first taught about the grace of God. I was afraid to live set free. When you're in a prison most of your life, freedom looks downright scary. It's so sad that so many people choose to live like a paroled prisoner and report to God like he's their parole officer, sticking to the rules for good behavior. They're not living set free. They're living like a debtor because they don't believe their debt has been paid.

So, how has that been working for you? How often do you rejoice that you are totally forgiven and set free? Or do you often feel you might have missed the mark? How often do you rejoice that God's love never fails you? Or do you often feel you are undeserving of God's mercy? How often do you close your eyes at night rejoicing that you are perfectly secured in Christ's arms? Or do you fear you may have disappointed him in some way? How often do you awake in the morning rejoicing to hear the Holy Spirit speak to your heart? Or do you wonder why you don't hear his voice? How often are people drawn to you for the joy of Christ and peace of God overflowing from you? Or do you struggle trying to think of ways to make your religion real to others?

Are you without sin right this moment?

 

[disciplemike]

Yeah, that's what I thought, too when I was first taught about the grace of God. I was afraid to live set free. When you're in a prison most of your life, freedom looks downright scary. It's so sad that so many people choose to live like a paroled prisoner and report to God like he's their parole officer, sticking to the rules for good behavior. They're not living set free. They're living like a debtor because they don't believe their debt has been paid.

So, how has that been working for you? How often do you rejoice that you are totally forgiven and set free? Or do you often feel you might have missed the mark? How often do you rejoice that God's love never fails you? Or do you often feel you are undeserving of God's mercy? How often do you close your eyes at night rejoicing that you are perfectly secured in Christ's arms? Or do you fear you may have disappointed him in some way? How often do you awake in the morning rejoicing to hear the Holy Spirit speak to your heart? Or do you wonder why you don't hear his voice? How often are people drawn to you for the joy of Christ and peace of God overflowing from you? Or do you struggle trying to think of ways to make your religion real to others?

Are you without sin right this moment?

Yes ma'am. We have a wonderful, awesome Savior who has paid our sin-debt.
But not so people can teach others that they are not a sinner as long as they claim a mental belief in jesus.

Regardless of what you have been taught.
God's commandments are not bondage.


Sin is the bondage that tries to hold us.
Does that mean we are perfect? No.
Just be careful what you teach.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Yes ma'am. We have a wonderful, awesome Savior who has paid our sin-debt.
But not so people can teach others that they are not a sinner as long as they claim a mental belief in jesus.

Regardless of what you have been taught.
God's commandments are not bondage.


Sin is the bondage that tries to hold us.
Does that mean we are perfect? No.
Just be careful what you teach.

You didn't answer my question. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment? If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom? Are you perfectly ready to go home?

 

[disciplemike]

You didn't answer my question. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment? If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom? Are you perfectly ready to go home?

I did answer. I just didn't give you the words you wanted.
I have a Savior who has paid my sin-debt.

 

[JGIG]

Yes ma'am. We have a wonderful, awesome Savior who has paid our sin-debt.
But not so people can teach others that they are not a sinner as long as they claim a mental belief in jesus.

Faith in Christ is not 'claiming a mental belief in Jesus' (fixed that capitalization for you), it's receiving Christ and His gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and new LIFE and becoming a New Creation according to the Scriptures.

Regardless of what you have been taught.
God's commandments are not bondage.


Sin is the bondage that tries to hold us.
Does that mean we are perfect? No.
Just be careful what you teach.

Perhaps, disciplemike, you should be careful what you teach.

According to the Scriptures:

• In Christ, believers are DEAD to the Law (Rom. 7:4-6)
• In Christ, believers are under Grace, not Law (Rom. 6:14, 15)
• Grace, not Law, teaches the believer how to say no to ungodliness (Tit. 2:11)
• The righteousness of God has been made manifest APART from the Law (Rom. 3:21-31)
• The power of sin is the Law (1 Cor. 15:56)
• That APART from the Law, sin is DEAD (Rom. 7:8)

So can we stop with this foolishness of preaching the Law (which is the power of sin!!!) to believers?

It is counterproductive to what I believe is your goal - righteousness and freedom from sin for the believer, yes?

Law is not the means by which righteousness comes:

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (from Rom. 3)



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The Law is upheld in that it points people to Christ (see Gal. 3), not that those who put their faith in Christ are subject to the Laws given to Israel at Sinai.

Based on what God says about the Law and sin, why would God subject believers to the very thing which empowers sin?!

Disciplemike, please prayerfully reconsider your position.

Dear reader, may God grant you wisdom and discernment as you consider these things.

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Originally Posted by disciplemike

You didn't answer my question. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment? If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom? Are you perfectly ready to go home?

Originally Posted by AuntieAnt

I did answer. I just didn't give you the words you wanted.
I have a Savior who has paid my sin-debt.





AuntieAnt and disciplemike - PLEASE fix quote tags before posting - it's looking like you're saying things the other poster is saying .

Thanks,
-JGIG

 

[disciplemike]

thank you for your input.
joyfully growing in grumpiness.

 

[AuntieAnt]

I did answer. I just didn't give you the words you wanted.
I have a Savior who has paid my sin-debt.

No, you did not answer the questions. You are dodging the questions like the Pharisees did. You know that if you answer, you will be exposed.

My questions are:
1. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment?
2. If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom?
3. Are you perfectly ready to go home?

These are only two answers: yes or no

 

[JGIG]

Faith in Christ is not 'claiming a mental belief in Jesus' (fixed that capitalization for you), it's receiving Christ and His gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and new LIFE and becoming a New Creation according to the Scriptures.

Perhaps, disciplemike, you should be careful what you teach.

According to the Scriptures:

• In Christ, believers are DEAD to the Law (Rom. 7:4-6)
• In Christ, believers are under Grace, not Law (Rom. 6:14, 15)
• Grace, not Law, teaches the believer how to say no to ungodliness (Tit. 2:11)
• The righteousness of God has been made manifest APART from the Law (Rom. 3:21-31)
• The power of sin is the Law (1 Cor. 15:56)
• That APART from the Law, sin is DEAD (Rom. 7:8)

So can we stop with this foolishness of preaching the Law (which is the power of sin!!!) to believers?

It is counterproductive to what I believe is your goal - righteousness and freedom from sin for the believer, yes?

Law is not the means by which righteousness comes:

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (from Rom. 3)



​

The Law is upheld in that it points people to Christ (see Gal. 3), not that those who put their faith in Christ are subject to the Laws given to Israel at Sinai.

Based on what God says about the Law and sin, why would God subject believers to the very thing which empowers sin?!

Disciplemike, please prayerfully reconsider your position.

Dear reader, may God grant you wisdom and discernment as you consider these things.

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

thank you for your input.
joyfully growing in grumpiness.

Can you deal with what the Word of God actually says about the Law after the Cross or just retort with an insult?

I've heard worse, by the way, JGAG, JPIG, and my favorite,

"Jpig, you're a satanic witch. FATHER YAHWEH have mercy on you, you blind bat."

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So, will you deal with what the Scriptures say after the Work of Christ or devolve into name-calling?

-JGIG

 

[disciplemike]

I do apologize JGIG.
Joyfully Growing In Grace.

 

[Grace777x70]

I do apologize JGIG.
Joyfully Growing In Grace.

Thank you..that is a great show of good character. I gave you a rep for that....

 

[JGIG]

I do apologize JGIG.
Joyfully Growing In Grace.

Thank you, disciplemike.

Now what about those Scriptures ?

-JGIG

 

[AuntieAnt]

And how about my simple questions?

1. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment? Yes or no

2. If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom? Yes or no

3. Are you perfectly ready to go home? Yes or no

 

[disciplemike]

And how about my simple questions?

1. Are you pure in heart and without sin right this very moment? Yes or no

2. If God called you home this second, is there anything hidden in your heart which might prevent you from entering his kingdom? Yes or no

3. Are you perfectly ready to go home? Yes or no

Why the salvation questions?
I told you already, Yeshua is my Savior.
His righteousness, not mine, is what I will rely on as far as justification/salvation.
I am just a sojourner here.

 

[oldethennew]

is this a parody of the PTL club?

 

[oldethennew]

is this a parody of the PTL club?
of a Billy Sunday altar-call?

 

[PeterJens]

Think of it as a hole in a solid wood fence along a sidewalk with the message "do not look through the hole " written above it, and you will have a proper picture of how it works.

To be honest this for is is so wrong as to be a joke.
There has never been a commandment which means by not doing something, you say, hey that must
mean it is interesting.

So stealing, commiting adultery, lying, coveting, dishonouring your parents all comes from knowing
these are things you should not do so you do it.

How old are the people saying this? 5.

Let me take a simple principle on theft. You steal from a shop. The shop provides goods on which
they make a profit so they can go and get more goods to sell. When you steal the goods, the shop can
no longer function, and to get the same goods you have to travel further and get the goods which cost
you more in money time and effort. So you loose twice over or more.

Each law has a downside if you break it. You not only loose the thing you want, you loose the
community that makes it possible, just for a feeling.

But if you never think things through and appreciate the community around which these things
stands or falls, you miss the bigger picture. But then these guys have never done this, so do not
realise the things they have missed.

 

[PeterJens]

When you finally come to Christ disciplemike

This is where people should not go. This is literal condemnation and slander.
If someone has believed in Christ, repented and followed our Lord who are we
to say they do not know Christ.

You can only disown a believer for obvious sin, which they refuse to repent of.
Some convoluted version of Hyper Grace does not qualify.

And being condescending does not help. Based on the kind of theology you espouse
and preachers you support you are the heretic and apostate. And one obvious sign of
this is this condescension and belief you have the authority to say someone does not
know Christ. If you really understood how deceived and emotionally distorted many
get, you would be both very cautious to come to any conclusions. And Jesus gives us
no foundation for doing this unless it is obvious.

But hey under grace you can do what you like because Jesus will just forgive you.
You can even experiment with prophecy, healing and any gift you want to invent,
because God is no longer interested in the integrity of His witness or the holiness
and purity of His people. Fat chance.