Reformed Theology - Penal Substitution and the Imputed Righteousness of Christ

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Skinski7

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and WHAT is it we OBEY?
same as they did - REPENT of unbelief and sin and in THAT VERY SAME DAY, OBEY The Gospel AND Receive The Holy Spirit!
Amen. Repent (the mind change which necessitates a change in conduct) of unbelief (which is unfaithfulness and disobedience)
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

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42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.



they OBEYED....and....
there were added that day about three thousand souls.

Amen to that. They had forsaken their rebellion and were yielded to God.

They had laid aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and received with meekness the implanted word which saves the soul.


Good scriptures. :)
 
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skinski....i for one don't believe your heart is pure.
that's self-evident.
simplez.
 
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Skinski7 said:
and WHAT is it we OBEY?
same as they did - REPENT of unbelief and sin and in THAT VERY SAME DAY, OBEY The Gospel AND Receive The Holy Spirit!
Amen. Repent (the mind change which necessitates a change in conduct) of unbelief (which is unfaithfulness and disobedience)
Acts 2
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.



they OBEYED....and....
there were added that day about three thousand souls.

Amen to that. They had forsaken their rebellion and were yielded to God.

They had laid aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and received with meekness the implanted word which saves the soul.


Good scriptures. :)
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OKAY THEN STOP WITH ALL YOUR OTHER NONSENSE.
CEASE AND DESIST.​
 
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Why does he keep saying everyone is sinning and full of lust? Whats with him?I think he needs help maybe a two box situation here!
 
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[h=3]continuing Romans 5

[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died,
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you see you have ignored how by one man's offense many died. How does Adam's one offense cause many to die?

do you understand that people still sin before Moses but it was not imputed to them because they did unknowingly?

However after God gave Moses the law and had him teach others, they no longer had the excuse and sin was imputed to them.
The law served a greater purpose to teach us of our need for God's grace as shown in Galatians 3

Galatians 3

[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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however even though sin was not imputed to them who sin, people still died between Adam and Moses because of the original sin committed by Adam, and that is what you don't seem to understand.

that Jesus Righteousness needs to be imputed to humanity to negate the sin imputed by Adam that causes people to physically die. That is the promise of physical resurrection. Romans continues in chapter 8 to talk about how we now have the firstfruits of the SPIRIT renewal but await in hope for our PHYSICAL adoption.

much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
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did you notice it is by the free gift, not anything else that resulted in justification?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
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want to explain how JUDGMENT came to all men resulting in condemnation due to the offense of one man?

even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, [SUP]21 [/SUP]so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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this is truly wonderful to understand how grace reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ.
 
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Ariel82 said:
...if people want to believe your lies about what others believe its their choice.
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But should he and Tommy4Tommy have a platform on christianchat to spread their stuffs? Me thinks not.
 
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tribesman said:
But should he and Tommy4Tommy have a platform on christianchat to spread their stuffs? Me thinks not.
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why they don't just bow out and go back to DeSario's lair i don't know.
 
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zone said:
why they don't just bow out and go back to DeSario's lair i don't know.
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Dunno. I just know that they have spread anti-reformation and anti-evangelical cult heresies here for months. Practically everything that this forum stands for they are against. They do not accept any other people here as christians and they do not accept their beliefs as christian, yet they are here spamming the same copy and paste and youtube stuff daily. It ought not be thus.
 
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Ariel82

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tribesman said:
But should he and Tommy4Tommy have a platform on christianchat to spread their stuffs? Me thinks not.
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thank God every day I'm not a mod or admin :)

if you want to find the needle and report its up to you.

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My name is report post bottom left:p
 
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Abiding, you just had to put that big red button there just for me didnt you!!! LOL, ooooohhh i just want to push it,,, LOL

ok,, you caught me,, i did it.. :( i just had to,, LOL ,,

Stilly knows as he once did it to me too! You guys are so bad!!!! Luve ya anyways!!! hehehehe
 
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so confused... what did stilly do?
 
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Stilly put a big red button in front of me to push,, hehehehe ;) resistence is futile!!! LOL
 
tribesman

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Ariel82 said:
thank God every day I'm not a mod or admin :)

if you want to find the needle and report its up to you.
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"Needle"? LOL. "Needle"? Are you serious? Or you can't see the trees because of the forest?

The needle thingy does by far not apply with these two fellas. We're talking about a bed of nails here.

Here's what applies for them:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-vibrant-heated-discussions-please-read.html - <-link

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3. Faith in the crucixition, death and resurrection of Jesus is the only way to reconcile you to relationship with God.
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All along they have gone against this. The whole scope of these two fellas is to attack classical, protestant and evangelical christianity. Very obviously so. And its beyond me how it has been tolerated for so long.

Do you know how error and heresy gradually creeps into some churches? Tolerance and softness. "Dialogue".
 
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why they don't just bow out and go back to DeSario's lair i don't know.
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i would like to think its because a small part of them missing being a part of the body of Christ that the lies that mqn has convinced them is true about so much of church history has isolated them from truly growing in CHRIST
 
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WELL HAVE u pushed abiding's red button tribesman?
 
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since there is no penal substitution... can't we just assemble the masses and stone 'em???? :confused::eek::(


... ... just kidding.... :rolleyes:
 
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Ariel82 said:
i would like to think its because a small part of them missing being a part of the body of Christ that the lies that mqn has convinced them is true about so much of church history has isolated them from truly growing in CHRIST
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Do you believe one can be "in CHRIST" and believe and teach stuff like that?
 
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