REFORMED?

[Depleted]

Not really . I say Reformed as to show folks where I am coming from. The word dose not define me it only points to my general theological beliefs. It has nothing to do with a sign on a building. In fact quite often My congregational brothers and sisters study the word in a building with a sign out front saying " over a billion served "
Blessings
Bill

No!!!! Not a pink and brown sign with lots of donuts inside? (And something something about a drink to dunk them in?)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You just described quite well how I feel about it. I believe in the continuation of the gifts until Jesus returns, it is very clear from the Scriptures this is the case. However I am not going to roll on the floor barking at a Benny Hinn service.

What the cessationists have done is, they have identified false signs and wonders and fakers, and have gone overboard to the point of stamping all of them as false.

hah

I would not even go to a B Hinn service, let alone bark...but I think the animal noises came out of the airport church in Toronto if I am not mistaken? and spread...

agree regarding the cessationists but they also will use 'when that which is perfect has come'...I've looked pretty long and hard and I don't see perfect

then you will be told that perfect is the Bible, which, of course, is why we spend hours on here arguing over translations

I'm feeling dizzy......

 

[Depleted]

Well then stop whilst you can.

Same problem Bill just had, except I was eating a banana, which is harder on the nostrils. lol

(Ah man! I'm still chuckling. Bananas go bad quickly once peeled. And this choking thing is bad. )

 

[Depleted]

Spurgeon is not here to inquire of him directly so we cannot know if he believed as you infer he believed. I would contend that he preached the gospel to all men and allowed God to save those who responded to the preaching of His word.

At the end of the day there is no one who is going to help you to see anything you do not want to see.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Feel free to check out Spurgeon. He sure left enough of his writing and history behind so it is no mere inference. It's even past implied. The dude was annoyingly, and lovingly, Reformed.

And because he was reformed, he never bothered telling God what to allow. God IS sovereign, not co-reigning with Man.

 

[Depleted]

no question about it spurgeon was a reformed preacher thru and thru!!!!!!!

(and very anti-"papist.")

 

[shrume]

Nope. Reformed means we believe God chooses

God wants all men to choose Him.

God is sovereign

Not when it comes to who will be saved. He wants all men to be saved.

and Man is not free will.

Man does have free will.

Does your church believe any of that?

My church does not believe several of the doctrines of Reformed Theology (Calvinism).

We believe 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Eph 1:13; and 2 Cor 5:18-20 are true.

 

[Depleted]

Well I don't know if he really fits the modern definition of reformed. It is likely that he took a position in opposition to Romanism which is a classic works based religion. He favored Calvin over Arminius.

Unfortunately many today impute more value to what these men of God taught than to what the bible teaches. You must view what they taught through the bible to really understand what they intended to teach not what those who came after them say they taught.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There is no modern definition of reformed. We're stick-in-the-mud, historistic-up-to-the-eyeballs, dye-in-the-wool, define-terms-until-we-hit-it-on-the-head-and-then-stick-with-it kinda people. We're also about 500 years too old to be "modern." If conservatives are known for sticking to the old ways, than conservatism is way too "progressive" for Reformed.

We still know what words like imputed, impenitent, and propitiation mean. Yeesh! How old can we get without still speaking in Koine Greek? lol

 

[Depleted]

God wants all men to choose Him.


Not when it comes to who will be saved. He wants all men to be saved.


Man does have free will.


My church does not believe several of the doctrines of Reformed Theology (Calvinism).

We believe 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Eph 1:13; and 2 Cor 5:18-20 are true.

I was Arminian for decades. I'm aware what you believe. And?

 

[1ofthem]

Right, you never said the word "Calvinism," because 7 said it for you. But you kept running down the list of what you think of it before being told what it really is.

And, right, I don't bother telling you what it is anymore, because the last time I did that you went right back to saying the same things about it that you said here. The same charges repeated.

If you don't know what Calvinists believe, (and I think you do), then that's because you are determined not to know, despite being told -- several times.

You're being appreciative to Notmyown now, but give it a little time, and you'll be repeating the same things again. You were appreciative with me at first too.

This is pretty sad... I've told you before that I am not your enemy, but if you want to make me out to be one in your mind, then have at it...I can tell that I am occupying a lot of space there...

Think what you will and say what you want. I do not agree with you and that is that.

Now as far as me being able to have an open discussion with a Calvinist, what I said was the truth...Her and I think maybe one other person actually talked to me about it in their own words without throwing me a few half verses here and there or telling me to go look up what Calvin or some of his cohorts taught.

Now back to our first encounter on it, I'll agree that everything was going fine and well between us, but when I asked your thoughts on it and stated mine you went off calling me names. So yeah, you got rude and I got rude...Thing about that is, I even apologized to you for being rude back to you...which you totally ignored...

I've done all I can do with it...I've apologized to you, forgiven you for your part in it , and that is all I can do about it...so the rest is on you.

It is what it is and that's really all I need to say about it because I already feel like a total tool for even replying and putting all this stuff out here.

 

[shrume]

I was Arminian for decades. I'm aware what you believe. And?

Return to the truth.

It's your free-will choice to do so.

 

[Laish]

that does sound reasonable

yet I just posted in a thread where the op seems to believe ALL charismatics have a loose screw

I'm not charismatic but I am also not a cessationist. there is pleeee-enty that both pentecostals and charismatics practice that I do not find in scripture and the results of many of these circuses is not good and many people are still cleaning up the mess years later even thought the 'experience' felt good at the time

it's pretty funny that some people liking your post are exactly the ones that DO label and crush everyone together

aren't you glad that God does not do that?

Yes I am great full that God has chosen not to give us what we deserve. As for how we treat each other her in this sub forum.I desire to see brothers and sisters treat others with more kindness an with more respect than they do . I know where it must start ,it starts with me . I have often been guilty of a post that lacks . I do regret the wording is some of them . Setting the example an showing respect is what we must do . We may disagree some issue or two but for the most let's remember we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
Blessings
Bill

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes I am great full that God has chosen not to give us what we deserve. As for how we treat each other her in this sub forum.I desire to see brothers and sisters treat others with more kindness an with more respect than they do . I know where it must start ,it starts with me . I have often been guilty of a post that lacks . I do regret the wording is some of them . Setting the example an showing respect is what we must do . We may disagree some issue or two but for the most let's remember we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
Blessings
Bill

this is going to hurt Bill, but I understand what you are saying here and almost totally agree

where I do not agree, is that everyone here is a brother or sister in Christ and that would include some who identify as such

 

[Laish]

this is going to hurt Bill, but I understand what you are saying here and almost totally agree

where I do not agree, is that everyone here is a brother or sister in Christ and that would include some who identify as such

No not hurt . I will say is that I try hard not to do that unless the person in question is blatantly wrong . Example that Jesus was the archangel Michael ,worshiping statues or , that God was once a man etc . I will generally consider other things to be a issue of growth and understanding. I have to admit though I believe some folks have to really grow ,but I can't bring myself to not call him or her a sister or brother. I am convinced that one day before The Lord we are going to be astonished by who is an not with our Lord .
Blessings
Bill

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No not hurt . I will say is that I try hard not to do that unless the person in question is blatantly wrong . Example that Jesus was the archangel Michael ,worshiping statues or , that God was once a man etc . I will generally consider other things to be a issue of growth and understanding. I have to admit though I believe some folks have to really grow ,but I can't bring myself to not call him or her a sister or brother. I am convinced that one day before The Lord we are going to be astonished by who is an not with our Lord .
Blessings
Bill

let's understand each other

I do not 'try' to do it either

it was an observation

 

[Laish]

let's understand each other

I do not 'try' to do it either

it was an observation

Cool I thought as much after I posted . Was wondering if I got it wrong . Blessings sister
Blessings
Bill

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Cool I thought as much after I posted . Was wondering if I read it wrong . Blessings sister
Blessings
Bill

on the same page ... God knows the heart

 

[Bladerunner]

There is no need to continue promoting this fallacy. Every sinner who hears the Gospel MUST repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So only those who "obey the Gospel" are saved. Since all will not obey the Gospel all will not be saved. By the same token if all would obey the Gospel, all would be saved. And the Lord Jesus Christ actually taught this in the context of John 3:16, but the Calvinists simply brushed it aside. So please note carefully.

ALL COULD BE SAVED
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17)

BUT ALL WILL NOT BE SAVED
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (John 3:18,19)

think you are getting something crossed.... It does not say that those who are saved and obey the Gospel....WHat is the Gospel you are talking about.

To me the Gospel of Jesus Christ is 1 Cor 15:1-4. If you believe that the Crucifixion, burial and resurrection happened according to scripture then you are saved....WHat is to OBEY on the these 4 verses.

 

[SovereignGrace]

He is the propitiation, not a potential propitiation. Now, in this propitiation, it satisfied God's wrath. If Jesus literally propitiated God on behalf of the whole world, i.e. everybody whoever lived, then God's wrath for everybody whoever lived is no longer there. If its no longer there, then in the day of judgment, all go to heaven. The cross of the Christ is efficacious, and does not make everybody savable, but saves those for whom the Christ died for, i.e. the elect of God.



And if He literally take the world's sin away, i.e. everybody whoever lived, then everybody whoever lived goes to heaven. Their sins are no longer there, as He has taken them away. There's no getting around this Brother Marc. If one holds to a universal atonement, one must hold to universalism. The cross is that efficacious.



Spurgeon said the Christ did not make any effectual atonement for the non-elect...me paraphrasing that. That's what he meant.




Look at another verse that gets misapplied.

namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. [2 Corinthians 5:19]

Now, ppl when they read that quickly say Jesus is reconciling the world, meaning He is leaving no one out. One huge problem, as there is a 2,000 lb purple elephant that needs to be addressed...'not counting their trespasses against them'. Now, if this is universal in its scope, then no one's sins are held against them, and all go to heaven.

Reconciliation means to make two enemies friends. So, if the Christ is reconciling the world to Himself, i.e. everybody whoever lived, then everybody whoever lived is saved. To hold to a universal atonement means you must hold to universalism to remain consistent with one's belief(s).

Brother Marc,

Care to address this from pg 9? Thanks my Brother.

 

[Depleted]

Return to the truth.

It's your free-will choice to do so.

I am not now nor will I ever become co-reigner with the Lord. God is sovereign! Free-will isn't biblical nor even kinda, if-you-slant-your-head-just-right-and-squint-enough what the Lord has ever taught.

Jesus taught over and over again what we chose -- John 3:[FONT=&quot]19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.[/FONT] -- and I believe him. I remember it.

 

[MarcR]

Brother Marc,

Care to address this from pg 9? Thanks my Brother.

All sins of every person saved or unsaved were forgiven through Jesus' sacrifice of Himself on the cross.

BUT, THAT FORGIVENESS DOES NOT EXTEND to the person who committed them unless or until the person who committed them acknowledges the Lordship (Ownership) of Jesus.


The unsaved are those who reject Jesus' ownership as a result of His sacrifice on the cross.