I am re-posting this as I didn't get to edit it at the end and it was jumbled together:
Brother MarcR, I realize I got snarky last evening with you. My apologies brother!
Now as to nehemiah6 I am still awaiting proof of your claim that Spurgeon preached or taught that other than the elect are saved, or however you put it. You need to be backing up your claim. I know for certain it's false, but am expecting;
1) You to take something out of context he stated (kind of how you do with Scripture) or;
2) Just avoid it altogether and make pretense that what you said is true when you know it isn't true.
3) Just more arguing, and offerings of unsubstantiated claims which the naïve will accept as being true when it is false.
Oh, and for the record, Paul expected none other to be saved, because none other than His chosen will be saved.
But this first: The duplicity of folks who are against biblical election is remarkable. You teach a person becomes elect when they choose God, which is false, mind you, then you teach that people other than the elect get saved which is also incorrect and false doctrine.
Hopefully you can see the sheer error and double standards you employ here: If the latter aren't elect, but believe in the same way, how does that, in your economy make them not elect since by choosing they then become elect? It doesn't, it is senseless and both teachings are fictitious.
Then you hold to yet another glaring error in that you teach "God looked down through time and chose those who He knew would choose Him."
See the error there as well? How are any "non-elect" in that group? There cannot be even any non-elect being saved in that teaching either, even though your entire premise is false.
Your hermeneutics and teachings are completely inconsistent, and have to be so in order to support your free will idol and doctrines against election and predestination, a teaching you are fearful of that is completely biblical. The fact remains that you are more secure in what you did, thinking you made the decision to elect yourself and choose God, than in the fact that God chose based upon nothing in us, and for nothing we would or would not do, but solely according to His purpose; note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; Romans 9:11; Romans 8:28 &c.
Anyhow, back to Paul, who expected none other than the elect to be saved:
Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.- 2 Timothy 2:7-10.
The fact remains, only those whom God has chosen will come to salvation, even though they are condemned and under His wrath prior to experiencing conversion; John 3:17ff, Ephesians 2:3&c. This is why we preach the Gospel because God has His sheep out there whom He elected prior to the foundation of the world, Acts 18:10; John 11:51-52; Ephesians 1; 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
Brother MarcR, I realize I got snarky last evening with you. My apologies brother!
Now as to nehemiah6 I am still awaiting proof of your claim that Spurgeon preached or taught that other than the elect are saved, or however you put it. You need to be backing up your claim. I know for certain it's false, but am expecting;
1) You to take something out of context he stated (kind of how you do with Scripture) or;
2) Just avoid it altogether and make pretense that what you said is true when you know it isn't true.
3) Just more arguing, and offerings of unsubstantiated claims which the naïve will accept as being true when it is false.
Oh, and for the record, Paul expected none other to be saved, because none other than His chosen will be saved.
But this first: The duplicity of folks who are against biblical election is remarkable. You teach a person becomes elect when they choose God, which is false, mind you, then you teach that people other than the elect get saved which is also incorrect and false doctrine.
Hopefully you can see the sheer error and double standards you employ here: If the latter aren't elect, but believe in the same way, how does that, in your economy make them not elect since by choosing they then become elect? It doesn't, it is senseless and both teachings are fictitious.
Then you hold to yet another glaring error in that you teach "God looked down through time and chose those who He knew would choose Him."
See the error there as well? How are any "non-elect" in that group? There cannot be even any non-elect being saved in that teaching either, even though your entire premise is false.
Your hermeneutics and teachings are completely inconsistent, and have to be so in order to support your free will idol and doctrines against election and predestination, a teaching you are fearful of that is completely biblical. The fact remains that you are more secure in what you did, thinking you made the decision to elect yourself and choose God, than in the fact that God chose based upon nothing in us, and for nothing we would or would not do, but solely according to His purpose; note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; Romans 9:11; Romans 8:28 &c.
Anyhow, back to Paul, who expected none other than the elect to be saved:
Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.- 2 Timothy 2:7-10.
The fact remains, only those whom God has chosen will come to salvation, even though they are condemned and under His wrath prior to experiencing conversion; John 3:17ff, Ephesians 2:3&c. This is why we preach the Gospel because God has His sheep out there whom He elected prior to the foundation of the world, Acts 18:10; John 11:51-52; Ephesians 1; 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
