Refuting Roman Catholicism

[ThomistColin]

The council of Trent disagrees with you about Paul, because Paul said we are saved by faith, NOT BY WORKS.
But Trent says, If any man says they are justified by faith alone without works, Let him be anathema.
No one is justified before God by works, Even faith and works.

Paul never said faith alone. To claim such is to proclaim that you are the chief interpreter and rewriter of Holy Scripture. I doubt even you would be so diabolical.

 

[ThomistColin]

James 2, Doesn't mention works for salvation or justification before God.
Abraham was already a man of God before he offered Isaac.

What James was saying is, our works justify our claims, v18.
V 22 says Abraham works Activated and operated his faith.

A sick person can say they have faith, But unless they put actions [Works] to their faith, They will never activate their faith.
For instance, a crippled person might say they have faith to walk, But unless they get up and walk, They will be in a wheelchair, Until they activate their faith by waking.

Faith is an act, Bartimaeus, Put actions to his faith, By casting his garment away, His garment was his licence to beg.
The ten lepers put actions to their faith, The Bible says, "AS THEY WENT" they were healed.
The reason they went to the Priest was because they believed they were healed.
What if they didn't go??. They could have said, "But Lord, we can't go, we are lepers". But they believed and put actions to their faith.

First off, James is talking about faith alone. He states we aren't saved by it.

Secondly, if faith is an act, then faith is a work. You just destroyed any argument you had.

 

[mpaper345]

The Bible says that faith without works is dead,which means if you do not have works in your walk with God then faith is not activated in your life,which faith alone cannot save you but with works.

We are not saved by grace alone as if there is no participation on our part for salvation,but means that God had mercy on us and saved us.

The Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,which means that we have to participate in our salvation by continuing to allow the Spirit to lead us.

We have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling so it begins with us giving our life to Christ and God saves us but we must continue to do what is right and have works of the Spirit to have faith activated in our life to be saved.

When the Bible says we are not saved by works it means anything that we do according to the flesh to get to heaven will not get us to heaven like the Old Testament physical ordinances or false religions but only by accepting Christ and be led of the Spirit.

Saved by works means doing works of the Spirit to be saved.

We are not saved by any works we do according to the flesh but we are saved by doing works of the Spirit.

The Bible is not saying we do not have to do works after we are saved but any works we do according to the flesh will not save us but after we come to Christ and are saved we have to have works to have faith activated in our life and these are works of the Spirit.

Work out your own salvation and people that hold unto saved by grace alone and once saved always saved become relaxed in their walk with God and end up short of making the grade because the flesh will have some liberty in their life because they think they cannot fall which I have eye witnessed time after time and have not seen one that did not have a worldly attitude.

The Bible says if any man thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

The Bible says that many are called but few are chosen so God does the choosing while people are on earth not in the beginning.

God calls things that have not happened as though they already happened because if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it will surely come to pass which everything already was planned out before God laid down the foundation of the world so it is the same as if all things happened in the beginning.

The Bible says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world but we know it did not happen until 4000 years later.

When the Bible says that the saints are predestined to salvation it does not mean God picks who will be saved and not saved in the beginning but God already had the plan to give the world salvation so it is the same as if the saints have salvation in the beginning for God calls things that have not happened as though they already happened and that salvaion is to whoever wants it.

The Bible says that God is not willing that any perish but all come to repentance and be saved.

 

[saved1975]

Paul never said faith alone. To claim such is to proclaim that you are the chief interpreter and rewriter of Holy Scripture. I doubt even you would be so diabolical.

Yes he did

 

[ThomistColin]

Yes he did

St.Paul never said faith alone. The only scriptural writer who use the words "faith alone" was St. James.

 

[Elin]

St.Paul never said faith alone.
The only scriptural writer who use the words "faith alone" was St. James.

So is James' "faith alone" related to Paul's "by faith, not by works" in any way?

 

[Elin]

Of course God is ONE... Jesus and the Father are ONE, being unified by God's Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

But not everyone can perceive 'True Love'. Survival creatures (forming the majority in the world) are pre-programmed to take care of their flesh only and at any cost

. So it is IMPOSSIBLE for any survival being to perceive the possibility of two independent persons having ONE will and ONE power if they accept be unified by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is likewise a person, and is the third person of the one being who is God.

There are three persons in the one being of God.

 

[Elin]

First off, James is talking about faith alone. He states we aren't saved by it.

Secondly, if faith is an act, then faith is a work. You just destroyed any argument you had.

Catholic philosophy is precise, not blurred.

In the NT, "works" are acts of the law, not all actions.

 

[Elin]

Nope...St. Paul is recognized as being in Heaven. Also, we don't believe works save us.
We believe in justification through faith plus works. The two are not to be separated for if they are, they are both false and dead.

To be in agreement with Eph 2:8-9, it would help to point out that faith is composed of two elements.

Faith = belief + obedience.

The NT is clear about three things:

1) that only the first element (belief/faith) saves one from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on sin at the final judgment;

2) true faith results in obedience, so that where there is no obedience we know there is no true faith
and, therefore, there has been no actual salvation;

3) the obedience which results from saving faith is not what saves, it is only the faith that saves.

 

[Kerim]

The Holy Spirit is likewise a person, and is the third person of the one being who is God.

There are three persons in the one being of God.

You are certainly free seeing the Holy Spirit as a person much like Jesus and the Father in heaven are.

But, to me in the least, Jesus didn't present the Holy Spirit as being a person like Him or the Father:

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Jesus is very clear here.
When a person denies the unifying divine power of the Holy Spirit (like Muslims and Jews should do), Jesus would be for him just a special human being chosen by God (prophet at best) while the Father in heaven would look for him as a supernatural selfish king to be praised and obeyed. Also this person would see the Holy Ghost as a spirit having Magical Powers as Pagans believe though their supernatural spirits have other names.

For instance, when, long ago, I was in charge to teach Catechism on Sundays. I was banned for not following the Vatican's instructions to explain 'Trinity' as the Pope does; like saying the sun is at the same time, a mass, light and heat or one triangle has 3 different edges... etc. So you didn't surprise me for not having any idea about God's Love of 'Trinity' which exists not only in heaven but also on earth as well; anytime two persons are unified, as real good friends, by the Holy Spirit.

Truth be said, if I was looking for the glory of men, I would follow other's instructions no matter if I see them logical or not

. So even when I liked to be a priest (here the Christian scholars are Jesuit), my weak point as seen by the Jesuit priest during the interview is that I intend preaching Jesus teachings only and not of the Vatican. So I had to choose between the glory of Vatican or of Jesus... I guess you know what I chose.

 

[crossnote]

Of course God is ONE... Jesus and the Father are ONE, being unified by God's Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

But not everyone can perceive 'True Love'. Survival creatures (forming the majority in the world) are pre-programmed to take care of their flesh only and at any cost

. So it is IMPOSSIBLE for any survival being to perceive the possibility of two independent persons having ONE will and ONE power if they accept be unified by the Holy Spirit.

I gave you Scripture for my assertion, could you do me the same favor for yours?

 

[saved1975]

St.Paul never said faith alone. The only scriptural writer who use the words "faith alone" was St. James.

You obviously haven't seen Rom 4: 5. Rom 5: 1. Eph 2: 8--9. Titus 3: 5.

 

[saved1975]

Catholic philosophy is precise, not blurred.

In the NT, "works" are acts of the law, not all actions.

I think you need to see, Rom 4: 5. Rom 5: 1. Eph 2: 8--9 Titus 3: 5., No mention of the law.

 

[ThomistColin]

You obviously haven't seen Rom 4: 5. Rom 5: 1. Eph 2: 8--9. Titus 3: 5.

Obviously you can't read. Faith alone are not words that St. Paul used.

 

[Kerim]

I gave you Scripture for my assertion, could you do me the same favor for yours?

I am afraid, I couldn't get well what you ask me to do or say

For Jews and Muslims, God SHOULD be seen as one supernatural powerful person/being because it is the best image of God they can perceive (this image reflects the inner selfishness of the typical survival creature).

But Christians have a choice to imitate Jews and Muslims... or, those of them who are able to perceive, practically speaking, how Jesus and the Father could be ONE (John 10:30... I and my Father are one) have surely a totally different image of God.

I don't think there is a sane mature person less intelligent than I. But I also do believe (based on my observations) that, in reality, God created each man having personal priorities in life that are usually different from all other's. And, naturally, the image of God, as perceived by a person, cannot not reflect his deep inner priorities that God has chosen for him.

This explains why Jesus used addressing individuals only (not groups of people) anytime He gives an important advice; starting from the first two commandments on which all the law and the prophets hang.

Please don't worry, God knows in advance very well how all men are created, therefore knows the way in which each of them can perceive Him. But it happens that almost every newcomer into life (I was one, once upon the time

) thinks that all people are created like him but due to ignorance they don't act as he believes and does (or as he is supposed to believe and do). And since I am not smart enough, it took me 30 years before realizing that I used seeing the world I live in as I liked it to be (thinking I am the world's center

), and not as IT IS in reality with all different men's priorities.

 

[saved1975]

Obviously you can't read. Faith alone are not words that St. Paul used.

What else did Paul use if not faith alone??The only thing that Paul said is needed for salvation and justification, is faith.

I think it's you who can't read.

 

[notuptome]

What else did Paul use if not faith alone??The only thing that Paul said is needed for salvation and justification, is faith.

I think it's you who can't read.

It is grace not faith. Faith God gives through His word. Grace is the gift that no man can deserve and no man can earn. Faith through the word is how we know about grace and that God has done what He has promised He would do.

Confusion enters when we do not keep grace and faith in their proper biblical order. Rome teaches that grace is meted out by rites and rituals even supernatural transmissions but Gods grace is not under mans control. You can obtain greater faith by additional study of Gods word but Gods grace is all sufficient because nothing is withheld when God gives of His marvelous grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FrancisDeSales]

What else did Paul use if not faith alone??The only thing that Paul said is needed for salvation and justification, is faith.

I think it's you who can't read.

Saved1975, IF YOU had such a strong faith in Jesus Christ that you could actually, by that faith alone, move mountains would that kind of faith in Jesus Christ save you?

 

[jb]

The following should help you engage any Roman Catholic about their Catholicism:

A group is non-Christian when it denies the essential doctrines of the Bible:

• The deity of Christ, which involves the Trinity
• The resurrection of Jesus
• Salvation by grace alone

Unfortunately Catholics deny this third doctrine, Salvation by grace alone, and are therefore non-Christian. Does that mean that no Catholics are genuinely saved? I honestly can't say, however it is possible since they obviously don't understand the true gospel and therefore don't have true faith in Jesus. Therefore the most important thing is introducing them to the true Jesus who alone atones for their sins.

Now, the most effective way to speak about the issues of eternity to any Christian you suspect isn't trusting the savior, is not to get sidetracked from the essentials of salvation. Upon hearing a person's background, we may feel an obligation to speak to issues such as infant baptism, transubstantiation, etc. However, it is wise rather to build on the points of agreement between the Bible and the person's denomination, such as the virgin birth, the cross, and so on.

One point of agreement will almost certainly be the Ten Commandments. They are the key to bringing any religious person to a saving knowledge of the gospel. After someone is converted to Jesus Christ, the Bible will come alive and he/she will be led into all truth by the indwelling Holy Spirit. God's Word will then give them light, and he/she will forsake religious tradition as he is led by God.

While there are strong biblical arguments that may convince unregenerate people that their church's traditions contradict Holy Scripture, there is a difficulty. Some religious people hold the teachings of their church to be on par with, or of greater authority than, Holy Scripture. It is therefore often futile to try to convince them intellectually that their trust should be in the person of Jesus Christ, rather than in their own righteousness or in their church traditions. For this reason we should aim at the conscience, rather than the intellect. Take sinners through the Law of God (the Commandments) to show them that they are condemned despite their works, and strongly emphasize that we are saved by grace, and grace alone, rather than by trusting in our own righteousness or religious traditions.

If they are open to the gospel, and are interested in what God's Word says in reference to their church's teachings, they will listen to scripture. For example, in Matthew 8:14 we see that Peter (whom the Roman Catholic church maintains was the first pope) was married, as were many of the other apostles (see 1 Corinthians 9:5).

Justification is a divine act where God declares the sinner to be innocent of his sins. It is a legal action in that God declares the sinner righteous - as though he has satisfied the Law of God. This Justification is based entirely on the sacrifice of Christ by His shed blood: "...having now been justified by His blood..." (Rom. 5:9). Justification is a gift of grace (Rom. 3:24; Titus 3:7) that comes through faith (Rom. 3:28; 5:1). Christians receive Jesus (John 1:12) and put their faith-filled trust in what Jesus did on the cross (Isaiah 53:12; 1 Pet. 2:24), and in so doing are justified by God. The Bible states that justification is not by works (Rom. 3:20, 28; 4:5; Eph. 2:8,9) because our righteous deeds are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6). Therefore, we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Those who are justified are saved and salvation is a free gift (Rom. 6:13), something we cannot earn (Eph. 2:1-10). However, Roman Catholic doctrine denies justification by faith alone and says: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Counsel of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

Anathema, according to Catholic theology, means excommunication, "the exclusion of a sinner from the society of the faithful." Roman Catholic theology therefore pronounces a curse of excommunication, of being outside the camp of Christ, if you believe that you are saved by grace through faith alone in Jesus.

Does the Roman Catholic church specifically state that we are "saved by grace and works"? Not that I am aware of. But, when the Roman Catholic church negates justification by faith alone, it necessarily implies that we must do something for justification, for if it is not by faith alone, then it must be by faith and something.

At this point many Catholics appeal to James 2:24, which says, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone." But the context of James is speaking of dead faith as opposed to living, saving faith. James states that if you "say" you have faith but have no works (James 2:14), that faith cannot save you because it is dead faith (v. 17). In other words, mere intellectual acknowledgement of Christ is a dead faith that produces no regeneration and no change in a person's life. This faith does not justify. Rather, it is only that real and believing faith in Christ that results in justification. Someone who is truly Justified is saved and regenerated, and the results of true saving faith are manifested in the changed life of the one justified by faith alone. Real faith produces good works, but it isn't these works that save you. Good works are the effect of salvation, not the cause of it in any way and they certainly do not help anyone keep their salvation.

The Bible maintains that justification is not by works in any way but is by grace through faith in Christ and His sacrifice alone. The Bible says, "If you confess with your mouth Jesus is as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved" (Rom. 10:9). Furthermore, the Bible states explicitly: "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9).

Catholicism teaches that certain things must be done by people in order to be justified and keep that justification. Of these acts, baptism is the first requirement. Consider these quotes:

Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that "we too might walk in newness of life" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 977).

Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted to us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy (CCC, par. 2020).​

I do not see the Bible saying anywhere that we are justified by baptism. This would contradict the clear teaching of Rom. 3:20,28; 4:3; 5;1; and Eph. 2:8, which says salvation is by grace through faith, not grace through faith and baptism. However, according to Roman Catholicism, baptism is only the first sacrament of forgiveness. Good works, according to Roman Catholicism, are also required and are rewarded with going to heaven:

We can therefore hope in glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and do his will. In every circumstance, each one should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere 'to the end' and obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with grace of Christ (CCC, par. 1821).​

The above quote clearly states that heaven is the "eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ." Catholic theology asserts that works are predecessor to justification in direct contradiction to God's Word which states that "a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the Law" (Rom. 3:28). What are the deeds of the Law? Anything we do in hopes of getting or maintaining our righteousness before God.

In the CCC, par. 2010, it says, "Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification." How does anyone merit for himself the undeserved kindness of God's grace? Grace is by definition unmerited favor. This is an utterly false teaching. So how does the Catholic church get around this apparent dilemma that grace is unmerited but it is obtained through our merits? It states, "Sanctifying grace is the gratuitous gift of this life that God makes for us; it is infused by the Holy Spirit into the soul to heal it of sin and sanctify it" (CCC, par. 2023).

This is the crux of the problem. Roman Catholics theology asserts that God's grace is granted through baptism and infused into a person by the Holy Spirit. This then enables him or her to do good works which then are rewarded with heaven. Basically, this is no different from the theology of the cults which maintain that justification is by grace through faith and your works, whether it be baptism, going to "the true church," keeping certain laws, receiving the sacraments, or anything else you are required to do. In response, I turn to God's Word at Galatians 3:1-3:

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Holy Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Does not the above Scripture clearly state that receiving God's Spirit is by faith and not by what we do? Does it not teach us that we cannot perfect our salvation by the works we do in the flesh? To receive Jesus (John 1:12) means to become the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:19), which means a person is saved, justified. Is this salvation something we attained through our effort? Of course not! Is it something we maintain through our effort? Not at all. It is given to Christians by God and assured by God because it rests in what God has done and not in anything we have done - that is why salvation is by faith and not works. If it did rest in any way in our works, then our salvation could not be secure and we would end up trying to be good enough to get to heaven. That only leads to bondage to the Law and the result is a lack of assurance of salvation, a constant worry of not being good enough, and a repeated subjection to the church's teachings and requirements about what one must do to be saved. The only natural effect of such a teaching would be that you can lose your salvation over and over again and that you must perform the necessary requirements of the Catholic church to stay saved.

I get rather weary of all the Roman Catholic bashing on this site, it just goes to show how many sectarian bigots there are on it who simply use a cloak of "standing up for the faith" as a smoke screen to manifest their hard hearted bigotry!

Instead of judging another man's servant, they want to take a look at their own erroneous doctrines that they hold so dear which are simply "traditions of men"! Mark 7v1-23

They certainly fulfill Mark 12v24!

It should also be noted I am not a Roman Catholic!

 

[Elin]

You are certainly free seeing the Holy Spirit as a person much like Jesus and the Father in heaven are.

But, to me in the least, Jesus didn't present the Holy Spirit as being a person like Him or the Father:

Hi again,

I think Jesus does present the Holy Spirit as being a divine person like Him or the Father.
Consider:

I. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit issued from the Father, like himself (Jn 15:26); i.e.,
he is of the same divine nature as the Father and himself.

II. Jesus also said the Holy Spirit was another comforter (counselor, advocate, helper), like himself (Jn 14:16-17, 25-26, 15:26, 16:7), all words denoting a person, and conveying thoughts of encouragement, support, assistance, care, and the shouldering of responsibility for another's welfare--all functions of persons.

III. He also presents the Holy Spirit as having the attributes of God:
omniscience - Jn 16:13; 1Co 2:10-11,
sovereignty - Jn 3:8; 1Co 12:11,
omnipotence - Mt 12:28; Ro 8:11,
omnipresence - 1Co 3:16.

IV. And then Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit with personal pronouns (meaning person).
He refers to the Holy Spirit as "him" or "he" (Jn 16:7, 8).
Then in Jn 16:13-14, the neuter (impersonal) noun "spirit" (Gr: peuma), against all the rules of grammar, is given a (personal) masculine pronoun ("he"), which denotes personhood of the Holy Spirit.

Likewise, the NT gives attributes of personhood to the Holy Spirit:
intelligence - Jn 14:26, 15:26, 16:13; Lk 12:12; Ro 8:27, 1Co 2:12-13; 1Jn 2:20, 27,
will - Ac 16:6-7; 1Co 12:11,
affections - Eph 4:30,
sinned against - Mt 12:31-32; Ac 5:3.

The NT also shows the Holy Spirit performing actions of personhood, acting as a personal agent:
counseling, teaching, guiding, convicting, comforting - Jn 14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:17,
showing the future - Jn 16:13b; 1Tim 4:1; 1Pe 1:11; 2Pe 1:21,
testifying - Jn 15:26; Ac 5:32; Ro 8:16; Heb 2:4,
speaking - Ac 8:29, 10:19-20, 11:12, 13:2, 21:11,
deciding - Ac 15:28,
forbidding - Ac 16:7,
searching into secrets - 1Co 2:10,
appointing and sending out missionaries - Ac 13:4, 20:28,
interceding - Ro 8:26-27,
enabling - Ac 2:4; Ro 8:26,
leading - Gal 5:18,
generating Christ's body and soul - Mt 1:18.

I find the testimony of the NT to be conclusive that the Holy Spirit is a person.

V. And then the NT writers, as well as the OT writers, present the Holy Spirit as God:
Ge 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps 104:30 - the Spirit of God is identified with God in creation.
Isa 11:2 - the Spirit of God is called the Spirit of YHWH.
Ac 28:25 - the Adonai of Isa 6:8-10 is the Holy Spirit.
Ac 5:3-4 - lying to the person of the Holy Spirit is lying to God.
1Co 2:11-14 - the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God who is from God.
Heb 3:9, 10:15 - attributes the words of YHWH in Ex 17:7 and Jer 31:33 to the Holy Spirit.
Ac 28:25 - attributes the words of YHWH in Isa 6:9-10 to the Holy Spirit.

So the NT presents the Holy Spirit is a divine person, and the third person of the Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Jesus is very clear here.
When a person denies the unifying divine power of the Holy Spirit (like Muslims and Jews should do), Jesus would be for him just a special human being chosen by God (prophet at best) while the Father in heaven would look for him as a supernatural selfish king to be praised and obeyed. Also this person would see the Holy Ghost as a spirit having Magical Powers as Pagans believe though their supernatural spirits have other names.

For instance, when, long ago, I was in charge to teach Catechism on Sundays. I was banned for not following the Vatican's instructions to explain 'Trinity' as the Pope does; like saying the sun is at the same time, a mass, light and heat or one triangle has 3 different edges... etc. So you didn't surprise me for not having any idea about God's Love of 'Trinity' which exists not only in heaven but also on earth as well; anytime two persons are unified, as real good friends, by the Holy Spirit.

Truth be said, if I was looking for the glory of men, I would follow other's instructions no matter if I see them logical or not

. So even when I liked to be a priest (here the Christian scholars are Jesuit), my weak point as seen by the Jesuit priest during the interview is that I intend preaching Jesus teachings only and not of the Vatican. So I had to choose between the glory of Vatican or of Jesus... I guess you know what I chose.

Would you not agree that Jesus presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit bracketed together as the triune name of God:
Mt 28:19 - "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Note that the NT in:
1Co 12:4-6 - uses all three interchangeably,
2Co 13:14 - links them in prayer for divine blessing.

Do you not think the NT conclusively presents three distinct and separate co-equal persons in revealing the nature of God?

This revelation is the heart of the Christian faith in God--three separate, distinct and co-equal persons in one God,
the Son sent by the Father (Jn 5:23, 36, 43) and
doing the will of the Father (Jn 4:34 5:23, 36, 43, 10:25, 12:49-50, 14:24, 17:4), and
the Spirit sent by the Father (Jn 14:26) and the Son (Jn 15:26, 16:7)
doing the will of the Father (Jn 14:26) and the Son (Jn 14:26, 16:7).