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There is one thing I would like to thank the Catholic church for ( maybe is was the state church) but for preserving the word of God. Although they tried to hide it and keep it out of the hands of common folk, they did do a good job of preserving it and weeding out the ones that could not be authenticated and I believe that the Holy Spirit did this through them.
There are many Catholics who place their faith in Jesus Christ and do not pray to Saint's or Mary. But the rituals are seared into their being. Having been taught them since they were children. The same way a Jew accepts Christ, but still holds to the old way's.
There are Catholics who are not Catholic. There are Catholics who are Catholic.
Just as some Catholics try to impose their traditions onto others. The Jews that accepted Christ tried to impose their tradition upon the Gentiles and we are not to do that. But, to pray for them and allow the Holy Spirit to work.
Enjoy your liberty of the cross and do not use it to condemn others.
Romans 14
At the same time we are to be watchmen and defend the Gospel. Let the Spirit lead.
There are many Catholics who place their faith in Jesus Christ and do not pray to Saint's or Mary. But the rituals are seared into their being. Having been taught them since they were children. The same way a Jew accepts Christ, but still holds to the old way's.
There are Catholics who are not Catholic. There are Catholics who are Catholic.
Just as some Catholics try to impose their traditions onto others. The Jews that accepted Christ tried to impose their tradition upon the Gentiles and we are not to do that. But, to pray for them and allow the Holy Spirit to work.
Enjoy your liberty of the cross and do not use it to condemn others.
Romans 14
At the same time we are to be watchmen and defend the Gospel. Let the Spirit lead.
K
In fact, any person who judges (or has to judge) another, based on any law (said of God or not), has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.
Being a real disciple of Jesus Christ is not easy at all as it may look at the first sight.
For instance, in which country in the world Christians are now persecuted (even crucified as Jesus) other than Syria?
It happens that ALL satellites of the free world (with the Vatican) became totally blind since March 2011 when hundred's thousands of jihadists of Al-Qaeda started following Obama's voice and have been moved into Syria, invisibly from more than 40 countries and by thousands weekly, to play Obama's rebels looking for freedom and democracy.
For instance, even thousands of Americans (with their long dark beards as of Bin Laden) have already joined Allah's jihad in Syria (to support Al-Qaeda as trainers or jihadists) in order to impose Al-Sharia of Saudi Arabia (a very close ally of the American System since not less than 80 years) on all Syrians. So I wonder how many Christian Americans are also ready to join the Christian Syrians on their crosses while Obama prays that Allah of Al-Qaeda can defeat, once for all, the Holy Spirit in Jesus Land, Syria.
By the way, in the created terror war in Syria, also the Israeli forces (supposed being Jews) and Al-Qaeda (supposed being Muslims) are now working together following instructions from Westerner leaders (supposed being Christians). In other words, the today's international politics was able, at last, unifying Jews, Muslims and Christians against one enemy, Syrians. Isn't it an incredible achievement? Even the Devil is not able doing it.
I am just presenting facts that Syrians only live with the few foreigners who had the chance to be in Syria after March 2011, for one reason or another.
Being a real disciple of Jesus Christ is not easy at all as it may look at the first sight.
For instance, in which country in the world Christians are now persecuted (even crucified as Jesus) other than Syria?
It happens that ALL satellites of the free world (with the Vatican) became totally blind since March 2011 when hundred's thousands of jihadists of Al-Qaeda started following Obama's voice and have been moved into Syria, invisibly from more than 40 countries and by thousands weekly, to play Obama's rebels looking for freedom and democracy.
For instance, even thousands of Americans (with their long dark beards as of Bin Laden) have already joined Allah's jihad in Syria (to support Al-Qaeda as trainers or jihadists) in order to impose Al-Sharia of Saudi Arabia (a very close ally of the American System since not less than 80 years) on all Syrians. So I wonder how many Christian Americans are also ready to join the Christian Syrians on their crosses while Obama prays that Allah of Al-Qaeda can defeat, once for all, the Holy Spirit in Jesus Land, Syria.
By the way, in the created terror war in Syria, also the Israeli forces (supposed being Jews) and Al-Qaeda (supposed being Muslims) are now working together following instructions from Westerner leaders (supposed being Christians). In other words, the today's international politics was able, at last, unifying Jews, Muslims and Christians against one enemy, Syrians. Isn't it an incredible achievement? Even the Devil is not able doing it.
I am just presenting facts that Syrians only live with the few foreigners who had the chance to be in Syria after March 2011, for one reason or another.
Just curious... May I ask you why you duplicate your post in two threads?
Let me guess. Your reply is not addressed for me only since I need reading just one copy of it.
Let me guess. Your reply is not addressed for me only since I need reading just one copy of it.
My intention is completed now.
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Amen! Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9); yet genuine faith is substantiated and confirmed by good works (James 2:14-24). Catholics and other works salvationists have this out of balance.
We see the results of true saving faith as they are manifested in the changed life of the believer. Real faith produces good works, but it isn't these works that save us. Good works are the effect of salvation--not the cause of it. From beginning (Ephesians 2:8) to end (1 peter 1:9) salvation is through FAITH and is not by works.
We see the results of true saving faith as they are manifested in the changed life of the believer. Real faith produces good works, but it isn't these works that save us. Good works are the effect of salvation--not the cause of it. From beginning (Ephesians 2:8) to end (1 peter 1:9) salvation is through FAITH and is not by works.
Yes, saving faith is the gift of God which effectually saves us.
The NT presents saving faith as eternal, from which we cannot be separated.
Those who do not do God's will didn't have God's gift of saving faith in the first place.
They claimed to be a fruit true, but they had no fruit.
Now no fruit can mean two things:
a) the fruit tree is no longer a fruit tree, but has morphed into a thorn tree, or
b) the claim to being a fruit tree was a false claim,
their faith was counterfeit (Mt 7:21-23),
it had no root (Lk 8:13) of rebirth, and so they fell away in the time of testing.
The NT presents rejection of God's will as the latter, not the former.
The NT likewise presents saving faith, by definition, as an obedient faith.
And the NT likewise presents the salvation through saving faith by grace as eternal, irrevocable, guaranteed.
Fruit trees (saving faith) are fruit trees for the duration of their existence,
they don't morph into thorn trees (counterfeit faith).
The NT presents saving faith as eternal, from which we cannot be separated.
Those who do not do God's will didn't have God's gift of saving faith in the first place.
They claimed to be a fruit true, but they had no fruit.
Now no fruit can mean two things:
a) the fruit tree is no longer a fruit tree, but has morphed into a thorn tree, or
b) the claim to being a fruit tree was a false claim,
their faith was counterfeit (Mt 7:21-23),
it had no root (Lk 8:13) of rebirth, and so they fell away in the time of testing.
The NT presents rejection of God's will as the latter, not the former.
The NT likewise presents saving faith, by definition, as an obedient faith.
And the NT likewise presents the salvation through saving faith by grace as eternal, irrevocable, guaranteed.
Fruit trees (saving faith) are fruit trees for the duration of their existence,
they don't morph into thorn trees (counterfeit faith).
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Bible does not agree...
Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Isa 5:5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
Isa 5:6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
Isa 5:5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
Isa 5:6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
But the correlation you assume--to the liturgical rites of Judaism--is incomplete.
The correlation is to all the law, not just its liturgical rites.
Yes, Paul qualifies the necessary characteristics of saving faith
(obedience--Jn 15:10, perseverance--Lk 8:13).
Absence of these characteristics means your faith is counterfeit, and does not save.
The correlation is to all the law, not just its liturgical rites.
Yes, Paul qualifies the necessary characteristics of saving faith
(obedience--Jn 15:10, perseverance--Lk 8:13).
Absence of these characteristics means your faith is counterfeit, and does not save.
The fruit of God's OT vineyard (Israel) was righteousness by law-keeping,
and there was no righteousness (Gal 3:10).
The fruit of God's NT vineyard (believing Jews and Gentiles) is righteousness by saving faith (Ro 1:17).
And since saving faith is a gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3),
as righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17),
the fruit of God's NT vineyard is produced (Eph 2:8), as well as
guaranteed (Php 1:6; Heb 10:14; 1Pe 1:3-5), by God himself.
and there was no righteousness (Gal 3:10).
The fruit of God's NT vineyard (believing Jews and Gentiles) is righteousness by saving faith (Ro 1:17).
And since saving faith is a gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3),
as righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17),
the fruit of God's NT vineyard is produced (Eph 2:8), as well as
guaranteed (Php 1:6; Heb 10:14; 1Pe 1:3-5), by God himself.