Refuting The Cessationism Doctrine: Spiritual Gifts, Tongues, Miracles Haven’t Ceased Since Pentecost!!
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only if you can show in 1cor 13:8 said: " the three gifts ended". Why do you out of pride add to the word of God what it is not saying?
1cor 13:8
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Just as I thought nowhere in verse 13 says " the three gifts ended".
You lied.
1cor 13:8
8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Just as I thought nowhere in verse 13 says " the three gifts ended".
You lied.
I do not deny I Corinthians 13:8. When that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. You posted a message recently in which you said we do know in part. So you are inconsistent. Now we know in part, and now abide faith hope and charity.
I agree that salvation comes through faith by hearing the word of God. God uses signs and wonders at times in that process, as I have shown from scripture in numerous posts. Look at Sergius Paulus and Elymas for an example.
I agree that salvation comes through faith by hearing the word of God. God uses signs and wonders at times in that process, as I have shown from scripture in numerous posts. Look at Sergius Paulus and Elymas for an example.
Amen
Hardly a page in acts without the power of God or a day in the ministry of Jesus without a miracle.
Even before Jesus foretold the church operating under the same power as himself he said "these signs shall follow them that believe...."
So ALL BELIEVERS qualify for the power!!!!
Thank you Jesus that the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of Speaking in tongues and signs and wonders (miracles) that I have witnessed and walked in is CONFIRMED AND AUTHENTICATED by your word!!!!
Hardly a page in acts without the power of God or a day in the ministry of Jesus without a miracle.
Even before Jesus foretold the church operating under the same power as himself he said "these signs shall follow them that believe...."
So ALL BELIEVERS qualify for the power!!!!
Thank you Jesus that the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of Speaking in tongues and signs and wonders (miracles) that I have witnessed and walked in is CONFIRMED AND AUTHENTICATED by your word!!!!
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Miracles done through the apostles....(no brainer...of course they were)
Miracles done through the apostles...to those that believe Jesus scoffs at what He himself established..(see! see!! ONLY the apostles did miracles)
What a quandary to set out on a walk with no power to preach a gospel Jesus nor the apostles,nor the early church walked in.
Cessationist ,"All Jesus can do is save you"
"There are no miracles tongues or baptism in the Holy Ghost like the first church and Jesus walked in"
"....all that ceased alongside knowledge"
How ironic to walked in the ceased doctrine has them taking knowledge off the table..LOL
Humanoid cessationist trying to match wits with the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
Comical indeed.
Miracles done through the apostles...to those that believe Jesus scoffs at what He himself established..(see! see!! ONLY the apostles did miracles)
What a quandary to set out on a walk with no power to preach a gospel Jesus nor the apostles,nor the early church walked in.
Cessationist ,"All Jesus can do is save you"
"There are no miracles tongues or baptism in the Holy Ghost like the first church and Jesus walked in"
"....all that ceased alongside knowledge"
How ironic to walked in the ceased doctrine has them taking knowledge off the table..LOL
Humanoid cessationist trying to match wits with the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
Comical indeed.
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The cessationist hit a brick wall with "...knowledge ceased..."
Oh wait..it fits. They prophesied their own doctrine.
Knowledgelessness.
What church do you attend ?
"1st knowledgelessness"
Huh?
"Yeah we attack those that believe knowledge is still walked in by the modern chuch."
Dude..knowledge has not ceased.
"Oh yeah...take a look at all the things paul said ceased"
Dang dude...did you keep reading?
It says a few sentences later WHEN.
Well folks how ironic they walk in knowledgelessness, showcase and celebrate their lack of knowledge ,(of course accompanied by the baptism of invincible ignorance) then wonder why they're made fools of by the very bible they oppose while using that same bible to attack those not buying some silly non biblical/extra biblical false doctrine.
Facepalm.
Oh wait..it fits. They prophesied their own doctrine.
Knowledgelessness.
What church do you attend ?
"1st knowledgelessness"
Huh?
"Yeah we attack those that believe knowledge is still walked in by the modern chuch."
Dude..knowledge has not ceased.
"Oh yeah...take a look at all the things paul said ceased"
Dang dude...did you keep reading?
It says a few sentences later WHEN.
Well folks how ironic they walk in knowledgelessness, showcase and celebrate their lack of knowledge ,(of course accompanied by the baptism of invincible ignorance) then wonder why they're made fools of by the very bible they oppose while using that same bible to attack those not buying some silly non biblical/extra biblical false doctrine.
Facepalm.
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Well I pray that that sliver of openness in your soul will allow you a window to see the real deal.
T L Osborne went to india under the unction of Gods will for him to start churches through evangelism.
It was a failure. And a bewildered T L came back to America.
He asked God...why did I fail?
God responded "I told you to go and preach the gospel"
"I did"
"No you went over there and defended it"
Immediately TL knew what was wrong.
You see,in the bible the gospel was not mentally preached,nor defended....it was through the demonstration of the power.
So he went back,went to the area of vile Hindus and said "Jesus died for you but he rose up from the grave.....HE IS ALIVE!!!
NOW that same Jesus lives in me. A miracle worker lives in me and HE SAID IF I BELIEVE these signs shall follow..the dead raised the lame walk and the blind see......and when I preach...if it does not happen....I am false....and you can kill me.
Put yourself there.
Put yourself in that intensity.
You can not.
You think "snap your fingers after watching TV and getting the secular baptism of unbelief and show me a miracle "
See the contrast.
T L Got on the cross. Put one foot in the grave and hung on to Jesus with the other.
That is the formula.
No guts... no glory.
Only the 100% committed see the awesome power.
Want the power? ...it is a bitter pill.
That is what you are formulating without the formula.
Now you know the formula for the power.
Death.
You gotta die.
That is the "missing ingredient"
So to use men who are not in step with that(prosperity centered charismatics) is to never see the real deal.
Oh btw Tl preached to those he invited to kill him and mighty signs and wonders broke out.
Many hindus... murderous vile hindus were saved.
TL..... a mighty man of God
T L Osborne went to india under the unction of Gods will for him to start churches through evangelism.
It was a failure. And a bewildered T L came back to America.
He asked God...why did I fail?
God responded "I told you to go and preach the gospel"
"I did"
"No you went over there and defended it"
Immediately TL knew what was wrong.
You see,in the bible the gospel was not mentally preached,nor defended....it was through the demonstration of the power.
So he went back,went to the area of vile Hindus and said "Jesus died for you but he rose up from the grave.....HE IS ALIVE!!!
NOW that same Jesus lives in me. A miracle worker lives in me and HE SAID IF I BELIEVE these signs shall follow..the dead raised the lame walk and the blind see......and when I preach...if it does not happen....I am false....and you can kill me.
Put yourself there.
Put yourself in that intensity.
You can not.
You think "snap your fingers after watching TV and getting the secular baptism of unbelief and show me a miracle "
See the contrast.
T L Got on the cross. Put one foot in the grave and hung on to Jesus with the other.
That is the formula.
No guts... no glory.
Only the 100% committed see the awesome power.
Want the power? ...it is a bitter pill.
That is what you are formulating without the formula.
Now you know the formula for the power.
Death.
You gotta die.
That is the "missing ingredient"
So to use men who are not in step with that(prosperity centered charismatics) is to never see the real deal.
Oh btw Tl preached to those he invited to kill him and mighty signs and wonders broke out.
Many hindus... murderous vile hindus were saved.
TL..... a mighty man of God
The Pentecostal understanding of this verse is far from correct. It does not say all knowledge. It is speaking to the knowledge given to the apostles to declare Christ from the OT scriptures. They did not have the complete NT when this passage was written. Paul is speaking to the completion of the NT scriptures. verse 12 shows those who will read it that we know ourselves in part. Men have always considered themselves righteous. The completed NT shows us how God sees us. The law was to show men they were unable to meet the standard of righteousness expected of God. Now the NT shows us the only Christ met the standard set by God.
Put away the childish things and grow in grace. Man up and trust Gods word to accomplish all that God has determined is should do. What we have here is a simple matter of unbelief. Refusal to believe Gods word and to trust wholly in Him.
Really this is but a childish plea for childish reasons. Most Pentecostals do not believe that God can and will save souls apart from miracles and wonders. Could it be that their personal faith is lacking?
When we appear weakest we are strongest in the Lord.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Put away the childish things and grow in grace. Man up and trust Gods word to accomplish all that God has determined is should do. What we have here is a simple matter of unbelief. Refusal to believe Gods word and to trust wholly in Him.
Really this is but a childish plea for childish reasons. Most Pentecostals do not believe that God can and will save souls apart from miracles and wonders. Could it be that their personal faith is lacking?
When we appear weakest we are strongest in the Lord.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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You're adding to Scripture to support your understanding. Nowhere in that passage (ch. 12-14) is "knowledge" described as such.
Verse 12 says nothing whatsoever about "reading". You're adding to Scripture again.
You are calling the quotation of and reference to Scripture "childish". That's foolish.
Verse 12 says nothing whatsoever about "reading". You're adding to Scripture again.
You are calling the quotation of and reference to Scripture "childish". That's foolish.
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the only one childish is you. And you are wrong Because the Apostle is not speak about himself or his office in Chapter 13 Paul is speaking to the church. I guess you lost the context from Chapter one of 1Corinthians. And you are wrong about much and all wrong about pentecostals We dod not look for signs that is your false narrative . We believe God still does them and HE God still uses HIS people to do them. You are completely driven by hate and a lie of the devil. Nothing in the pentecostal doctrine says what you think. But more damaging than that is your lack of contextual understanding of the letter to the Corinthians. So just let it go. Your pride and hate is very telling.