Regeneration/baptism of the holy spirit

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Blain

Blain

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So it seems that regeneration is the intital recieving of the holy ghost and made a new creation in Christ while being baptized in the spirit is a refilling or empowerment of the spirit is that to be understood as how it is then?
 
Snackersmom

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Blain said:
So it seems that regeneration is the intital recieving of the holy ghost and made a new creation in Christ while being baptized in the spirit is a refilling or empowerment of the spirit is that to be understood as how it is then?
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Sooooo...best I can explain it, regeneration would be the Holy Spirit making us a new creation in Christ when we get saved. Being "Baptized" in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off". Living a life in accordance with Jesus' commands is vital to receiving this "topping off". I could hunt down some scriptures if you want but that's the best I can explain it.
 
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Karlon

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Blain said:
So it seems that regeneration is the intital recieving of the holy ghost and made a new creation in Christ while being baptized in the spirit is a refilling or empowerment of the spirit is that to be understood as how it is then?
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it's even before that. someone answered the call of God, thought about & acted on it. that's really 1st. then the spiritual regeneration occurs, receiving the H.S. in other words, God giving us a new nature.
 
Blain

Blain

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Snackersmom said:
Sooooo...best I can explain it, regeneration would be the Holy Spirit making us a new creation in Christ when we get saved. Being "Baptized" in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off". Living a life in accordance with Jesus' commands is vital to receiving this "topping off". I could hunt down some scriptures if you want but that's the best I can explain it.
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ok that makes sense
 
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GWH

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Blain said:
ok that makes sense
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No it doesn't, because it contradicts Paul's teaching that "we were all are baptized by one Spirit
so as to form one body" (1CR 12:13), and "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,
they do not belong to Christ" (RM 8:9).
 
Snackersmom

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GWH said:
No it doesn't, because it contradicts Paul's teaching that "we were all are baptized by one Spirit
so as to form one body" (1CR 12:13), and "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,
they do not belong to Christ" (RM 8:9).
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It does not contradict. One body, one Spirit, one Salvation. But both the OT and NT regularly make mention of those who were specifically "full of the Spirit":

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.


Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.


Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.


Acts 7:55
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.


Acts 6:3
Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.


In that last verse, it's referring to men who were chosen to allot church resources to the poor and widows. It specifically says to pick out FROM AMONG THE BROTHERS (those who are already saved), seven men of good reputation who are FULL of the Spirit and of wisdom.

There's many more similar verses, but I will stop there.
 
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lrs68

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Blain said:
I have come accross the word regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit rebirth renewal and other like wise words there is a thing that I have heard happens to believers after being saved and recieving the holy spirit that is kind of like a second portion of his spirit filling them to the brim with his spirit I just cannot remember the word for it.

But these words caught my attention because I don't think they mean the same thing those two words specifically regeneration and baptism of the holy spirit. to me the word regeneration is one that seems to be a renewal of his spirit a recharge of sorts but whenever I look it up it speaks of it meaning the initial recieving of his spirit when saved but somehow that doesn't feel right to me and then there is the baptism of the holy spirit which I always thought was the initial receiving of his spirit but some have told me it actually is the event I talked about before kind of like a renewal or recharge of the spirit.

Does anyone know anything about this could you maybe point me in the right direction?
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Regeneration is not the process of being filled with the Holy Spirit of God {even though it happens at the same time}.
Regeneration is the process of becoming a New Creation.


Think in terms of the process of being Snatched Away or also known as the Rapture. Your corrupted human flesh becomes a Heavenly Body.

But in Salvation and being filled with the Holy Spirit of God + Regenerated, you are going from Sinner lost without God to Joint-Heirs of God.
 
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GWH

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Snackersmom said:
It does not contradict. One body, one Spirit, one Salvation. But both the OT and NT regularly make mention of those who were specifically "full of the Spirit":

Ephesians 5:18, And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.

Acts 4:31, And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

Acts 11:24, For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.

Acts 7:55, But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 6:3, Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.

In that last verse, it's referring to men who were chosen to allot church resources to the poor and widows. It specifically says to pick out FROM AMONG THE BROTHERS (those who are already saved), seven men of good reputation who are FULL of the Spirit and of wisdom. There's many more similar verses, but I will stop there.
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I am glad you do not intend for "it" to contradict One body, one Spirit, one Salvation, but it does, because "it" is "that" which is:

"Being Baptized in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off".

None of the Scriptures in Acts that you quoted teach your interpretation, and EPH 4:11-13 teaches
that the way to become "topped off" or filled with the Holy Spirit (5:18) is by learning God's Word.
 
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