Regeneration/baptism of the holy spirit
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Sooooo...best I can explain it, regeneration would be the Holy Spirit making us a new creation in Christ when we get saved. Being "Baptized" in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off". Living a life in accordance with Jesus' commands is vital to receiving this "topping off". I could hunt down some scriptures if you want but that's the best I can explain it.
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It does not contradict. One body, one Spirit, one Salvation. But both the OT and NT regularly make mention of those who were specifically "full of the Spirit":
Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.
Acts 7:55
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Acts 6:3
Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.
In that last verse, it's referring to men who were chosen to allot church resources to the poor and widows. It specifically says to pick out FROM AMONG THE BROTHERS (those who are already saved), seven men of good reputation who are FULL of the Spirit and of wisdom.
There's many more similar verses, but I will stop there.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit.
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
Acts 11:24
For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.
Acts 7:55
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Acts 6:3
Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.
In that last verse, it's referring to men who were chosen to allot church resources to the poor and widows. It specifically says to pick out FROM AMONG THE BROTHERS (those who are already saved), seven men of good reputation who are FULL of the Spirit and of wisdom.
There's many more similar verses, but I will stop there.
Regeneration is not the process of being filled with the Holy Spirit of God {even though it happens at the same time}.
Regeneration is the process of becoming a New Creation.
Think in terms of the process of being Snatched Away or also known as the Rapture. Your corrupted human flesh becomes a Heavenly Body.
But in Salvation and being filled with the Holy Spirit of God + Regenerated, you are going from Sinner lost without God to Joint-Heirs of God.
Regeneration is the process of becoming a New Creation.
Think in terms of the process of being Snatched Away or also known as the Rapture. Your corrupted human flesh becomes a Heavenly Body.
But in Salvation and being filled with the Holy Spirit of God + Regenerated, you are going from Sinner lost without God to Joint-Heirs of God.
I am glad you do not intend for "it" to contradict One body, one Spirit, one Salvation, but it does, because "it" is "that" which is:
"Being Baptized in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off".
None of the Scriptures in Acts that you quoted teach your interpretation, and EPH 4:11-13 teaches
that the way to become "topped off" or filled with the Holy Spirit (5:18) is by learning God's Word.
"Being Baptized in the Holy Spirit happens when you ask Jesus to do so, it's an extra empowering/overflowing dose but it doesn't make you any more saved. After the initial "baptizing" you can ask to be re-filled or "topped off".
None of the Scriptures in Acts that you quoted teach your interpretation, and EPH 4:11-13 teaches
that the way to become "topped off" or filled with the Holy Spirit (5:18) is by learning God's Word.
Hi GWH, your post is a bit chopped up so I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly I said that you are taking issue with. If you are saying that a person cannot be saved UNLESS they are full of the Holy Spirit, then I would be curious about your interpretation of Acts 8: 14-17:
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say by referencing Ephesians 4: 11-13, as that passage does not mention The Holy Spirit:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
If you are saying that God will not give us the Holy Spirit simply because we ask for it, then I would be curious about your interpretation of Luke 11: 13
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say by referencing Ephesians 4: 11-13, as that passage does not mention The Holy Spirit:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
If you are saying that God will not give us the Holy Spirit simply because we ask for it, then I would be curious about your interpretation of Luke 11: 13
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
It's funny that you are having trouble figuring out what you said when I put it in quotes, but that illustrates the need to be sure we co not use pronouns without clear antecedents.
My interpretation of Acts 8:14-17 is that Peter and John prayed for the Samaritans who had been water baptized following their professions of faith in Jesus as Messiah to receive the Holy Spirit, which they did when the apostles laid their hands on them.
Regarding EPH, the HS is mentioned in 4:3-4, and filling is mentioned in v.13.
Paul says that God gives all believers the HS by whom they are baptized into the body of Christ (1CR 12:13).
LK 11:13 means that God will save all who ask/seek/knock (MT 7:7) for the purpose of comforting and teaching GW (JN 14-16).
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My interpretation of Acts 8:14-17 is that Peter and John prayed for the Samaritans who had been water baptized following their professions of faith in Jesus as Messiah to receive the Holy Spirit, which they did when the apostles laid their hands on them.
Regarding EPH, the HS is mentioned in 4:3-4, and filling is mentioned in v.13.
Paul says that God gives all believers the HS by whom they are baptized into the body of Christ (1CR 12:13).
LK 11:13 means that God will save all who ask/seek/knock (MT 7:7) for the purpose of comforting and teaching GW (JN 14-16).
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You put what I said in quotes, but you did not specify how it contradicts "One Body, One Spirit, One Salvation". So I still don't know what you are referring to there.
Regarding the rest of your post, you initially referenced Ephesians 4: 11-13, not 4: 3-4, so there was no way for me to know what your thinking was there. You also referenced a chapter and verse (5:18) but did not mention which book you were referring to. So, yes......your point was unclear. And still is.
I agree that The Holy Spirit is given to believers and baptizes them into the body of Christ. I also believe that being "full of the Spirit" is different from having the Spirit unto salvation, otherwise The Bible wouldn't specify when a believer was "Full of the Spirit". I believe a variety of things can contribute to a believer being "Full of The Spirit", it happened to Elizabeth when baby John the Baptist leapt in her womb and she professed that Mary was pregnant with Messiah Jesus. Stephen was full of the Spirit when he was witnessing before the council, shortly before being stoned to death. It happened to the Apostles when they were all of one accord at Pentecost. There are other mentions as well, but I will stop there.
Honestly, I'm not sure we can have a fruitful conversation, your comments are vague and I'm not sure you've actually read my posts in this thread. If Blain is finding our conversation helpful then I will keep posting, otherwise I shall wish you a good Sunday and busy myself with more fruitful endeavors.
Regarding the rest of your post, you initially referenced Ephesians 4: 11-13, not 4: 3-4, so there was no way for me to know what your thinking was there. You also referenced a chapter and verse (5:18) but did not mention which book you were referring to. So, yes......your point was unclear. And still is.
I agree that The Holy Spirit is given to believers and baptizes them into the body of Christ. I also believe that being "full of the Spirit" is different from having the Spirit unto salvation, otherwise The Bible wouldn't specify when a believer was "Full of the Spirit". I believe a variety of things can contribute to a believer being "Full of The Spirit", it happened to Elizabeth when baby John the Baptist leapt in her womb and she professed that Mary was pregnant with Messiah Jesus. Stephen was full of the Spirit when he was witnessing before the council, shortly before being stoned to death. It happened to the Apostles when they were all of one accord at Pentecost. There are other mentions as well, but I will stop there.
Honestly, I'm not sure we can have a fruitful conversation, your comments are vague and I'm not sure you've actually read my posts in this thread. If Blain is finding our conversation helpful then I will keep posting, otherwise I shall wish you a good Sunday and busy myself with more fruitful endeavors.