Religious bigots and your understanding

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Cameron143

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I can't see this request being met.

We have to check the KJV with the Greek and the Hebrew.

Then we also have to check the old t with the Hebrew cannon.

The if we go into it further we see added words to KJV that are not in the Greek or the Hebrew.

Ummm nope whilst the idea is nice.

Even if the KJV is agreed upon for the preferred choice.

We may all read from it,

But all singing from the same translation 😋

Well I may ask do pigs fly.🤔
Swine flu.
 
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As I've already shown you lord can mean father or Jesus.
just to point out, if the pre-incarnate Jesus, the WORD, was named Elohim, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh, I AM TO BE and Jeremiah shows us the Messiah's real name is YHWH/Yahweh, we know Jesus....

if ALL those Names are Jesus, what Name was the Father in the Old Testament?

I hope I am missing one!
 
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this might seem like a silly question:
if ALL those Names are Jesus, what Name was the Father in the Old Testament?

because Matthew 28:19 says in the NAME...of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit.

so, maybe the SAME NAME for them Both?
 

Lanolin

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I can't see this request being met.

We have to check the KJV with the Greek and the Hebrew.

Then we also have to check the old t with the Hebrew cannon.

The if we go into it further we see added words to KJV that are not in the Greek or the Hebrew.

Ummm nope whilst the idea is nice.

Even if the KJV is agreed upon for the preferred choice.

We may all read from it,

But all singing from the same translation 😋

Well I may ask do pigs fly.🤔
why do you have to check with the Greek and Hebrew when its already been translated? The words in italics in the KJV are the words they dont have in greek or Hebrew so its obvious because English often has part phrases while Greek and Hebrew often have just one word. Its not that its added its that we dont have that ONE word in English. Also some words that we dont have in English are just transliterated but we know the meaning from reading the scripture not just ONE word or ONE verse...much scripture is actually stories not just sound bites.

Its doable.
 

Lanolin

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Ah well if nobodys up for the challenge then it probably means you guys just cant sing....such a shame....
 

Fundaamental

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why do you have to check with the Greek and Hebrew when its already been translated? The words in italics in the KJV are the words they dont have in greek or Hebrew so its obvious because English often has part phrases while Greek and Hebrew often have just one word. Its not that its added its that we dont have that ONE word in English. Also some words that we dont have in English are just transliterated but we know the meaning from reading the scripture not just ONE word or ONE verse...much scripture is actually stories not just sound bites.

Its doable.
in an ideal world this would be doable.

But since there's a load of swine flu regarding italics, then the flying pigs will always fly with 3 stripes.
 

Fundaamental

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just to point out, if the pre-incarnate Jesus, the WORD, was named Elohim, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh, I AM TO BE and Jeremiah shows us the Messiah's real name is YHWH/Yahweh, we know Jesus....

if ALL those Names are Jesus, what Name was the Father in the Old Testament?

I hope I am missing one!
your missing quite a few. Yeshua Jehova Immanuel
Gabriel
God
Jesus
Christ
Lord
Master
Logos ( the word)
Son of man
Son of David
Lamb of God
 

Fundaamental

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Then there's all theese names Given to Jesus

Redeemer, bread of life,
Creator, son of the living God, ,only begotten son,

Beloved son, holy one of Isreal, king of kings,

Head of the church,

King of the Jews

Mediator

Author and finisher of our faith

The shepherd and bishop of Souls

The fountain of living waters

The rock

The Messiah

The true Vine, the branch,

The bridegroom,

The lion of the tribe of Juda

The bright morning star.

And last of all

Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace
 

Magenta

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Thanks for the word 😊
Word counter says that was 349 words .:). I had to leave some off for reasons of space available/keeping text legible.

Advocate, Almighty, Alpha and Omega, Amen, Anointed, Apostle and High Priest, Arm of the Lord,
Author and Finisher of Our Faith, Author of Eternal Salvation, Beginning and End, Beginning and Ending,
Beginning of the Creation of God, Beloved, Beloved Son, Blessed and Only Potentate, Branch, Bread of God,
Bread of Life, Bridegroom, Bright and Morning Star, Brightness of His Glory, Captain of Salvation, Captain
of the Host of the Lord, Chief Cornerstone, Chief Shepherd, (the) Christ, Christ, Christ Jesus, Consolation
of Israel, Cornerstone, Counsellor, Creator, Creator of Israel, Dayspring from on High, Deliverer, Desire of the
Nations, Door of the Sheep, Elect of God, Emmanuel/Immanuel, Ensign of the People, Eternal King, Everlasting
Father, Everlasting Light, Faithful and True, Faithful and True Witness, Faithful Witness, First and Last, First
Begotten, Forerunner, Glory of the Lord, God, God of the Whole Earth, Good Shepherd, Governor, Great
Shepherd, Head of the Church, Heir of All Things, High Priest, Holy Child, Holy One, Holy One of God, Holy One
of Israel, Horn of Salvation, I AM, Image of God, Israel, Jesus Christ, Judge, Judge of Israel, Just One, King,
King of Israel, King of the Jews, King of kings, Lamb, Lamb of God, Last Adam, Lawgiver, Life, Light of
the World, Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Living Bread, Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord of All, Lord of Glory,
Lord of lords, Lord of the Sabbath, Lord Our Righteousness, Man of Sorrows, Mediator, Messenger of the
Covenant, Messiah, Mighty God, Mighty One of Israel, Mighty One of Jacob, Nazarene, Offspring of David,
Only Begotten Son, Our Passover, Plant of Renown, Prince of Life, Prince of the Kings of the Earth, Prince
of Peace, Prophet, Righteous Judge, Redeemer, Resurrection and Life, Rock, Rock of Offence, Root of David,
Root of Jesse, Saviour, Seed of Woman, Shepherd, Shepherd and Bishop of Our Souls, Shepherd of Israel,
Shiloh, Son of the Blessed, Son of David, Son of God, Son of Man, Son of the Highest, Sun of Righteousness,
True Bread, True Light, True Vine, Truth, Way, Witness, Wonderful, Word, Word of God, Word of Life.
 

Fundaamental

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Word counter says that was 349 words .:). I had to leave some off for reasons of space available/keeping text legible.

Advocate, Almighty, Alpha and Omega, Amen, Anointed, Apostle and High Priest, Arm of the Lord,
Author and Finisher of Our Faith, Author of Eternal Salvation, Beginning and End, Beginning and Ending,
Beginning of the Creation of God, Beloved, Beloved Son, Blessed and Only Potentate, Branch, Bread of God,
Bread of Life, Bridegroom, Bright and Morning Star, Brightness of His Glory, Captain of Salvation, Captain
of the Host of the Lord, Chief Cornerstone, Chief Shepherd, (the) Christ, Christ, Christ Jesus, Consolation
of Israel, Cornerstone, Counsellor, Creator, Creator of Israel, Dayspring from on High, Deliverer, Desire of the
Nations, Door of the Sheep, Elect of God, Emmanuel/Immanuel, Ensign of the People, Eternal King, Everlasting
Father, Everlasting Light, Faithful and True, Faithful and True Witness, Faithful Witness, First and Last, First
Begotten, Forerunner, Glory of the Lord, God, God of the Whole Earth, Good Shepherd, Governor, Great
Shepherd, Head of the Church, Heir of All Things, High Priest, Holy Child, Holy One, Holy One of God, Holy One
of Israel, Horn of Salvation, I AM, Image of God, Israel, Jesus Christ, Judge, Judge of Israel, Just One, King,
King of Israel, King of the Jews, King of kings, Lamb, Lamb of God, Last Adam, Lawgiver, Life, Light of
the World, Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Living Bread, Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord of All, Lord of Glory,
Lord of lords, Lord of the Sabbath, Lord Our Righteousness, Man of Sorrows, Mediator, Messenger of the
Covenant, Messiah, Mighty God, Mighty One of Israel, Mighty One of Jacob, Nazarene, Offspring of David,
Only Begotten Son, Our Passover, Plant of Renown, Prince of Life, Prince of the Kings of the Earth, Prince
of Peace, Prophet, Righteous Judge, Redeemer, Resurrection and Life, Rock, Rock of Offence, Root of David,
Root of Jesse, Saviour, Seed of Woman, Shepherd, Shepherd and Bishop of Our Souls, Shepherd of Israel,
Shiloh, Son of the Blessed, Son of David, Son of God, Son of Man, Son of the Highest, Sun of Righteousness,
True Bread, True Light, True Vine, Truth, Way, Witness, Wonderful, Word, Word of God, Word of Life.
I'm aware of all this😊

All this points in the direction Of one God.

It's the only way I can rationalize this.

The trinity how ever I can't rationalize.

The problem is the trinity for me.

I struggle to believe there is God the son God The father God the holy spirit.

It's one God to me.

It feels like scripture is saying the word was with God in the begining, and the word manifested into spirit, in Mary, who gave birth to a son. Who became Jesus.

In other words there was no Jesus in the beginning, but there was only the father and the word.

Jesus the son was born on earth through the word.

Because the spirit is in the word. Making Jesus the second Adam.

The holy spirit would be the spirit of The father which is everywhere.

So perhaps if Adam hadn't of fallen Adam would have sat at the right hand of God.

It makes no sense that Jesus was tempted like Adam was.