Repentance and baptism

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The only thing at risk if we all agree not to turn this thread into another mud throwing contest is ego.
 
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Being exposed to the arguments for and against lines of theological thought/doctrine is a good way to learn, as the person exposed can then weigh what is presented against Scripture as a good Berean should. The objection to insults and name calling is legitimate, however... although even there, is it really objectionable to call something a heresy that is widely accepted as heretical? Should not such heresies be pointed out? Mods need not be consulted on such matters. They are stretched thin as it is. Plus, not everyone can PM...
Do you taken a new person who is struggling with their walk and turn their reach out for help into an opportunity to bicker and debate and conflate the issue , or do you just encourage that person and give timely advice ?
 

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Hello everyone I have some questions about repentance of sins. How often do we need to confess our sins? What if you die with unconfessed sins? For example if someone that was born again didn’t repent for one month and died?

Also in regards to being born again. Is surrendering to God asking for forgiveness, accepting Him as your Lord and Saviour enough? Or must one be baptised in water to be saved.

Thank you
These are good questions. I don't think repenting of each and every sin on a constant basis is healthy or productive. The important thing is to admit to ourselves and God that we have a condition known as "sinfulness." God, in his mercy, made a way for us to be saved despite this condition; this is the truly amazing thing. I confess to God every day my sinfulness and thank him for His mercy; this helps me stay humble. I confess major sins when I become aware of them, or when they begin to weigh on me and the burden becomes too great.

As for baptism, this is a very controversial subject. My own view is that we are justified by faith. Baptism is the first step in the sanctification process. It's a necessary step. In baptism our conscience is cleansed of all past sins and the accompanying guilt. I believe if a person has an opportunity for baptism and they refuse, they're making a serious mistake. This is just an overview of my take on it. I'm sure you'll get many different interpretations.
 
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Being exposed to the arguments for and against lines of theological thought/doctrine is a good way to learn, as the person exposed can then weigh what is presented against Scripture as a good Berean should. The objection to insults and name calling is legitimate, however... although even there, is it really objectionable to call something a heresy that is widely accepted as heretical? Should not such heresies be pointed out? Mods need not be consulted on such matters. They are stretched thin as it is. Plus, not everyone can PM...
Precisely.

Divisions/heresies within the church actually serve a good purpose in that they make manifest who is truly approved of God.

I Corinthians chapter 11

[18] For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
[19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
 
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Precisely.

Divisions/heresies within the church actually serve a good purpose in that they make manifest who is truly approved of God.

I Corinthians chapter 11

[18] For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
[19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
But you believe In physical water baptism for salvation but the bible says

John 4:23
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23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
 
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But you believe In physical water baptism for salvation but the bible says

John 4:23
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23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Let's try this one last time.

The title of this thread is "Repentance and baptism", and, according to scripture, both are a part of the foundational principles of the doctrine of Christ:

Hebrews chapter 6

[1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

If you or anybody else have a problem with the same, then your problem is with Christ.

It's that simple.
 
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Let's try this one last time.

The title of this thread is "Repentance and baptism", and, according to scripture, both are a part of the foundational principles of the doctrine of Christ:

Hebrews chapter 6

[1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

If you or anybody else have a problem with the same, then your problem is with Christ.

It's that simple.
The bible says that the only thing required for salvation Is to believe In the WORD of GOD.

John 3:16
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16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Nothing In that SCRIPTURE that says anything about water baptism for Everlasting life.

John 4:24
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24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Romans 4:1-2
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1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
 

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The bible says that the only thing required for salvation Is to believe In the WORD of GOD.

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Nothing In that SCRIPTURE that says anything about water baptism for Everlasting life.

John 4:24
King James Version

24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Vers

1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Roman chapter 10 :9-10

says confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart and you shall be saved.

Jesus said in the gospel of John 3;16 the later part of that verse states. "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

Jesus also said "18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

Jesus is the only way of salvation the bible did not save you the bible tells you Who did.
 
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Roman chapter 10 :9-10

says confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart and you shall be saved.

Jesus said in the gospel of John 3;16 the later part of that verse states. "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

Jesus also said "18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "

Jesus is the only way of salvation the bible did not save you the bible tells you Who did.
That's how you are going to talk?Good day.
 

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Being exposed to the arguments for and against lines of theological thought/doctrine is a good way to learn, as the person exposed can then weigh what is presented against Scripture as a good Berean should. The objection to insults and name calling is legitimate, however... although even there, is it really objectionable to call something a heresy that is widely accepted as heretical? Should not such heresies be pointed out? Mods need not be consulted on such matters. They are stretched thin as it is. Plus, not everyone can PM...
Well if a person thinks another person is wrong they can say that doctrine is heresy.. But to say that Satan is leading them, that they are a servant of satan..:oops: Now that's pushing the limits..

To say a doctrine is heresy is attacking the doctrine

To say a person is in league with satan is attacking the person..
 

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Well if a person thinks another person is wrong they can say that doctrine is heresy.. But to say that Satan is leading them, that they are a servant of satan..:oops: Now that's pushing the limits..

To say a doctrine is heresy is attacking the doctrine

To say a person is in league with satan is attacking the person..
I agree :) Though if someone is denying Jesus, Scripture identifies them...

Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father
and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.


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Hello everyone I have some questions about repentance of sins. How often do we need to confess our sins? What if you die with unconfessed sins? For example if someone that was born again didn’t repent for one month and died?

Also in regards to being born again. Is surrendering to God asking for forgiveness, accepting Him as your Lord and Saviour enough? Or must one be baptised in water to be saved.

Thank you
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (vs. 2). That is one of those automatic spiritual laws that takes place when a person receives Christ as Saviour. It has three operative parts: 1) the new birth, 2) the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and 3) spiritual circumcision. First, the Holy Spirit enters the body of the new believer and resurrects the dead spirit. He brings new life to a new man. Then He places that new believer spiritually into Jesus Christ. The new believer is now one with his Saviour. He is one with his Saviour’s death, and he is one with his Saviour’s resurrection. Finally, the Holy Spirit cuts the new, live spirit away from the flesh, the body of sin. What does all of that do? It makes you “free from the law of sin and death.” You are no longer “dead in trespasses and sins” (Eph. 2:1); you are alive in Jesus Christ. Being in Jesus Christ, you died to your sin and are raised to “walk in newness of life” (Rom. 6:4). Being separated from your flesh, sin cannot change your standing in Christ. Spiritually, you are free. That is the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Now, that is your spiritual status. You are free on the inside. But “the law of sin and death” goes right on operating in the flesh (Rom. 7:23). It doesn’t stop at salvation (Rom. 7:25). Nevertheless you are free from the spiritual consequences of sin and the penalty of the Law of God. When Christ justified you, the penalty for breaking God’s Law was paid in full.
 

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Hello everyone I have some questions about repentance of sins. How often do we need to confess our sins? What if you die with unconfessed sins? For example if someone that was born again didn’t repent for one month and died?

Also in regards to being born again. Is surrendering to God asking for forgiveness, accepting Him as your Lord and Saviour enough? Or must one be baptised in water to be saved.

Thank you
I looks like you may have been exposed to ' Lordship salvation ' ?
 

throughfaith

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“What we need is continual cleansing. When we sun our conscience is troubled and we loose fellowship with God”
I love how you said that. Because I have heard of people saying they were born again and then felt like they weren’t saved then became born again and again. Is there an instance where someone turns away from God or sins for some time and will need to be born again after being born again? I’m curious because it is good to know and I also have people in mind that this question could help.
There are no verses that says a person is born again ..again . We are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Not until we sin .
 

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We are born again when we receive Lord Jesus and believe in Him. (John 1:12 & 13). At that time, all our sins are forgiven. I still remember the moment, 50 years ago, when I was born again. I was on a warship, surrounded by water but with no opportunity to be baptised. But I knew something was different and so did my shipmates. I knew also that my sins were forgiven, like a great weight had lifted off me.

Once I learned about baptism, I believed that it was the right thing to do. Over the decades since, I have learned what baptism is about. It has no bearing on your eternal destiny, but it is a blessing.

Christians are already forgiven. Our sins are paid for, past present and future. What we also need is continual cleansing. When we sin, our conscience is troubled and we lose fellowship with God. We do not lose our relationship. If you doubt this, ask yourself how you can be "unborn again"? The new birth is God's doing. He is not willing that any should perish, so He is not going to take away your new birth.

For sure it is essential to confess your sins and grow in grace and the knowledge of the Truth. We get one shot at life and it prepares us for eternity. God rewards those who put the Kingdom of God first and seek to know Him and His ways. Those who choose the easy way will suffer great loss and regret. Those who turn away from their own selfish desires, worldly ambitions and seek the narrow path will be greatly rewarded.

The "narrow way" is hard at times. I've tried the lazy, selfish way and it left me cold and hard hearted. I lost God's blessing and I suffered more than I should. The "narrow way" is tough at times. But there is comfort in Jesus on the path and great blessings as well as trials.
Isn't the ' narrow way ' to Jesus ? So all believers have found him ?
 
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Let's try this one last time.

The title of this thread is "Repentance and baptism", and, according to scripture, both are a part of the foundational principles of the doctrine of Christ:

Hebrews chapter 6

[1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

If you or anybody else have a problem with the same, then your problem is with Christ.

It's that simple.
The theif on the cross didn't get water baptized so according to the way you Interpret scripture line upon line precept upon precept,here a little there a little the thief on the cross was not saved because he didn't get water baptized and that's error.
 
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The theif on the cross didn't get water baptized so according to the way you Interpret scripture line upon line precept upon precept,here a little there a little the thief on the cross was not saved because he didn't get water baptized and that's error.
Apparently, you need help with what Isaiah actually said as well.

Isaiah chapter 28

[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
[11] For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
[13] But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

IN CONTEXT, those to whom "the word of the LORD" was "precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon; here a little, and there a little" were those who were going to "go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken", so Isaiah was NOT presenting this principle in a positive manner. Instead, CONTEXTUALLY, Isaiah was referring to those Israelites/Jews who were going to refuse "the rest" wherewith God was going to "cause the weary to rest" or the "refreshing" which Christ would bring, and this was directly related to the "stammering lips and another tongue" wherewith God would "speak to this people".

IN FACT, Paul quoted this verse in the New Testament in relation to the gift of tongues:

I Corinthians chapter 14

[21] In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
[22] Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

With such being the case, I would heartily recommend that you repent of this erroneous belief of yours as well.
 

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My advice regarding baptism is to ask your own minister/pastor.
Unfortunately, too many ministers are confused about baptism themselves. What we see in Scripture is that Christian baptism immediately follows conversion (even if appears inconvenient). Most churches today do not follow the New Testament pattern. And baptism does not save. It simply confirms that you are saved and obedient to Christ.