Repentance and baptism
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this is not my thread and I am nothing to overtake it with debate on David barton. I think I was very clear as to why. I want to say it was some time ago David barton is not a new guy who saw him back in 2001-2004 and he made some comments about American history that were speculative and opinionated that could not be validated. He was given the benefit of the doubt yet he could prove his statement.
1.David Barton has been criticized in the past for refusing to submit his publications for peer review, choosing to instead self-publish.
2. On glen backs program he made statements there that were founded to be untrue.
Again has he said many good things? yes, but he was discredited and because of it lost integrity. Is everything he said false no but did he say things that only He said and could not be established with historical fact > yes.
Listen the World will not allow a man of god to say something untrue and not beat him over the head with it.
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Fair enough.
And I'm not trying to be a jerk.
We just need to be sensitive to the needs of new Christians and give them what they need. Especially ones that are struggling.
She seems to burdened by a heaven load that is not hers to bear. We need to just unpack it for her and set her free in Christ.
And I'm not trying to be a jerk.
We just need to be sensitive to the needs of new Christians and give them what they need. Especially ones that are struggling.
She seems to burdened by a heaven load that is not hers to bear. We need to just unpack it for her and set her free in Christ.
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What is important for her is that she know that the work is done by Jesus and that we rest and abide in him and he will work through us, and it won't be a burden to us because we will not even think of it as work or duty, because it will become our nature as we love the Lord, study his word and pray.
I know as to why I listed sources of apologists. Barton was mentioned not for the philosophical arguments, or science, or math, but to refute the anti Christian American heritage that is being taught to our children. Back in the 1800s American textbooks even included scriptures to promote good morality. We know how important education is to our children and government.
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The title of this thread is "repentance and baptism", as in water baptism, so why shouldn't that have entered into this discussion?
Furthermore, the OP is the one who asked for apologists or "certain preachers" to listen to, so it has been about the original poster and her questions all along.
Just saying.
Furthermore, the OP is the one who asked for apologists or "certain preachers" to listen to, so it has been about the original poster and her questions all along.
Just saying.
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Dailey.
Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
God looks upon the state of the heart. We do not lose our salvation every time we stumble. It is continually living in a state of rebellion and a willful refusal to confess that will result in forfeit of salvation and eternal damnation following. This is called Apostasy.
Rituals have no part in the salvation of any man. Water baptism is simply a way of testifying to others about something already accomplished by the saving Blood of Jesus. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
God looks upon the state of the heart. We do not lose our salvation every time we stumble. It is continually living in a state of rebellion and a willful refusal to confess that will result in forfeit of salvation and eternal damnation following. This is called Apostasy.
Rituals have no part in the salvation of any man. Water baptism is simply a way of testifying to others about something already accomplished by the saving Blood of Jesus. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
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I am saying that when people come and ask such questions each person should give their answer and not get caught up in debating over each others posts.. People should direct their thoughts to the one asking the question not open side arguments with other contributors.. That just ends up leaving a very negative impression to the Seeker asking the question..
Yes Christians are not in 100% agreement on all things doctrine.. But engaging in insults and a slanging match in front of a Seeker is a good way to destroy the desire of a Seeker to ask questions..
If people find another post seriously objectionable they should either PM the Seeker to give their warning or PM the moderator to gives ones concerns to the Moderator..
Yes Christians are not in 100% agreement on all things doctrine.. But engaging in insults and a slanging match in front of a Seeker is a good way to destroy the desire of a Seeker to ask questions..
If people find another post seriously objectionable they should either PM the Seeker to give their warning or PM the moderator to gives ones concerns to the Moderator..
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How do you know what she's asking?
For the record, she and I have spoken privately, and, unless I'm greatly mistaken, she's not the least bit upset about anything that I've said or done here.
In fact, she seems thankful.
Maybe you and others here should retire from being other peoples' spokesmen?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
For the record, she and I have spoken privately, and, unless I'm greatly mistaken, she's not the least bit upset about anything that I've said or done here.
In fact, she seems thankful.
Maybe you and others here should retire from being other peoples' spokesmen?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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No one said anyone is upset with anybody about anything that anyone said. You are assuming too much of what I said.
Is it ok if we consider what a person says, like if they are a new Christian and have some questions or struggles,
And we not turn it into one of the typical circuses that so many of these threads become.
Is it ok if we consider what a person says, like if they are a new Christian and have some questions or struggles,
And we not turn it into one of the typical circuses that so many of these threads become.
Being exposed to the arguments for and against lines of theological thought/doctrine is a good way to learn, as the person exposed can then weigh what is presented against Scripture as a good Berean should. The objection to insults and name calling is legitimate, however... although even there, is it really objectionable to call something a heresy that is widely accepted as heretical? Should not such heresies be pointed out? Mods need not be consulted on such matters. They are stretched thin as it is. Plus, not everyone can PM...
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