Replacement theology.

[Guojing]

You had asked to be shown any scripture which showed where anyone (Jews) are saved now. I showed you the parable about the Samaritan who though regarded as a gentile, was in fact a believer in God, and thereby saved. Likewise, any Jew, or any person throughout the world who believes in loving their neighbor is thereby born of God and believes in God, and has eternal life/saved. In regards specifically to Jews, when the abomination of desolation comes around those who do not believe in God, who covet their neighbors property, shall be dealt with severely (Micah 2:1-3). In contrast the Jews at this time who do believe in love, truth, and justice, not the single least of them shall fall (Amos 9:9).

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Guojing stated: "Again, show me scripture, any scripture that stated they are saved NOW.

I have already stated Acts 3:19-21, that said salvation for Israel will only come in the 2nd coming, and Peter said that after the cross."

So let me try to understand your argument.

You are using a fictional character from a parable and claim that Jesus is saying he has salvation now?

Jesus didn't even come to that conclusion about whether he is saved. He is merely using him to conclude,

36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

Are you claiming that Jesus is actually saying that Samaritan is saved?

 

[Journeyman]

So you will be like your pal and lie about MY belief also. You know it gets to the point where yu have nothing left when you have to resort to lies.

please show me where I said an unbelieving Jew will be returned to their land, and how they can be restored apart fro faith?

if your gonna make an accusation back it up

as for the rest of the mess you posted, we have already established that that birth by faith is directed at in you shall all the nations be blessed,

Not I give you the land to this one child and all his physical descendants,

Your the one trying to make the land promise and blessing to all nations promise one thing not me,

if they are the same, by application, then every physical descendent is saved, because the promise in this case was made to them

you can’t have it both ways my friend,

Well, apology to you my friend for misunderstanding your position on restoration apart from faith. As for the rest of my mess, I'm sticking with the promise made to Abrahams descendant who is Christ.

 

[luigi]

So let me try to understand your argument.

You are using a fictional character from a parable and claim that Jesus is saying he has salvation now?

Your pride seems to keep you from wanting to concede to truth. In addition to the Samaritan, there have been numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God who believed in loving their neighbor, who were not fictional characters.

Jesus didn't even come to that conclusion about whether he is saved. He is merely using him to conclude,

36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

Are you claiming that Jesus is actually saying that Samaritan is saved?

The lawyer asked how he might attain eternal life, and Christ answered him. You seem to be saying that Christ did not provide the lawyer with the means to eternal life through love for your neighbor.

 

[Guojing]

Your pride seems to keep you from wanting to concede to truth. In addition to the Samaritan, there have been numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God who believed in loving their neighbor, who were not fictional characters.

The lawyer asked how he might attain eternal life, and Christ answered him. You seem to be saying that Christ did not provide the lawyer with the means to eternal life through love for your neighbor.

No, I am just curious to understand your train of thought. That is why I am asking for your clarifications.

If you read what Jesus told the lawyer, he actually mentioned the 2 greatest commandments.

Love your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

Its not just "loving your neighbor", you must love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Are you trying to say that that fictional Samaritan has achieved both commandments?

And who are the "numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God who believed in loving their neighbor, who were not fictional characters." that you have in mind?

 

[Journeyman]

No actually my king is going to destroy this world and create for us a new one. One that has never been tainted with sin

but hey, if you’re u want this one, maybe God can give it to you?

I'm grateful for what God made. I see his creation filled with beauty and learning about him.
Also, I've been tainted with sin, but instead of being destroyed, I'm being made new. Also, the unrepentant will be removed from Gods creation.

 

[KJV1611]

The bible contains the absolute truth and all arguments here would disappear if everybody would just believe the bible exactly as it's written.

 

[luigi]

No, I am just curious to understand your train of thought. That is why I am asking for your clarifications.

If you read what Jesus told the lawyer, he actually mentioned the 2 greatest commandments.

Love your God with all your heart, mind, and soul.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

Its not just "loving your neighbor", you must love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Yes, the two greatest commandments are to love God with your whole being. And as God is love (1 John 4:8 & 16), we should then love love with our whole being, which if you do, you would then also love your neighbor as yourself.

Are you trying to say that that fictional Samaritan has achieved both commandments?

I am saying that according to 1 John 4:7 the Samaritan who loved his neighbor as himself was born of God, and thereby achieved both commandments.

And who are the "numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God who believed in loving their neighbor, who were not fictional characters." that you have in mind?

Everyone who loved their neighbor are the numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you think there were no people prior to Christ who loved their neighbors as themselves?

 

[kaylagrl]

The bible contains the absolute truth and all arguments here would disappear if everybody would just believe the bible exactly as it's written.

Ok, you start first...

 

[Guojing]

Yes, the two greatest commandments are to love God with your whole being. And as God is love (1 John 4:8 & 16), we should then love love with our whole being, which if you do, you would then also love your neighbor as yourself.

I am saying that according to 1 John 4:7 the Samaritan who loved his neighbor as himself was born of God, and thereby achieved both commandments.

Everyone who loved their neighbor are the numerous others prior to Christ's sacrifice who were born of God. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you think there were no people prior to Christ who loved their neighbors as themselves?

Can you name some of them as stated in scripture? It’s an honest question.

Did scripture actually said they love their neighbors, as they love themselves? You seem fairly confident that there are plenty of examples listed in the scripture so I am curious where are they found.

 

[luigi]

Can you name some of them as stated in scripture? It’s an honest question.

Did scripture actually said they love their neighbors, as they love themselves? You seem fairly confident that there are plenty of examples listed in the scripture so I am curious where are they found.

Did not Noah preach to those who disregarded him in order to attempt to help his neighbors? Did not all the prophets who preached to the people do so due to the love God put in their hearts for their neighbors who were perishing? Do you understand that love for one's neighbor can be displayed in numerous ways other than how the Samaritan helped his neighbor?

You have yet to answer my question in the previous post about whether you believe there were people before Christ's sacrifice who loved their neighbor as themselves?

 

[Guojing]

Did not Noah preach to those who disregarded him in order to attempt to help his neighbors? Did not all the prophets who preached to the people do so due to the love God put in their hearts for their neighbors who were perishing? Do you understand that love for one's neighbor can be displayed in numerous ways other than how the Samaritan helped his neighbor?

You have yet to answer my question in the previous post about whether you believe there were people before Christ's sacrifice who loved their neighbor as themselves?

I believe there was none. It’s impossible for any of us to do so.

And for that matter, it’s also impossible for any of us to love God with all our heart and mind and soul.

And no, Noah did not achieve that. At least scripture never said he did, but if you want to believe he has, that is up to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A gentile is a person who does not believe in a single God, primarily that of Judaism. This perspective, however, is superficially distorted when we look at the story about the Samaritan in Luke 10, who did believe in loving his neighbor, and therefore was born of God who is love (1 John 4:7-8 & 16). The Samaritan who believed in love, who is God, though technically regarded as a unbelieving gentile, in fact was a believer in God/love.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Did you know king davids grandmother was a gentile. And she believed in God

again, where do you find that a gentile is a non believer?

gentiles in scripture are non Jew, you have Jew and you have gentile

we have saved and unsaved Jews and saved and unsaved gentiles

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely, David was ultimately saved believing in the Spirit over the flesh by the Lord's guiding grace in spiritual correctness/righteousness.

Was not David called a man after Gods heart as a teenager tending the flocks?

 

[luigi]

I believe there was none. It’s impossible for any of us to do so.

I'm glad to see your perspective that God who is love did not provide Himself to anyone prior to Christ's sacrifice in order for people to love their neighbor as themselves.

And for that matter, it’s also impossible for any of us to love God with all our heart and mind and soul.

So the greatest commandment that God wants us to do, you say is impossible to do. Your logic is counterintuitive, making God incapable of having what He wants in us to be.

And no, Noah did not achieve that. At least scripture never said he did, but if you want to believe he has, that is up to you.

Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
You have to read between the lines to make an educated assessment of an individual's character. Noah who would comfort the people concerning the toil of their hands, would have preached good news, which he would have done so by the Lord/love.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
A man who is just with his neighbors, loves his neighbor.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What I have done is identify what really is an unbelieving gentile from one who is not a gentile. The priest and rabbi in Luke 10 are in fact unbelieving gentiles in Spirit, while the Samaritan is a believer in God in Spirit.

Again can you show this in scripture?

the priest and rabbi represent the religious,

the Samaritan is a half breed rejected by the Jew as unclean

it Was a mock on their religious system not a Jew gentile thing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, apology to you my friend for misunderstanding your position on restoration apart from faith. As for the rest of my mess, I'm sticking with the promise made to Abrahams descendant who is Christ.

That’s one of the promises given to abraham, and we all are “blessed“ because of it

i stick to that too

but I am not gonna make God a liar by sayin this other promise, which he called eternal, is no longer valid, or was not promise at all, just a parable

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm grateful for what God made. I see his creation filled with beauty and learning about him.
Also, I've been tainted with sin, but instead of being destroyed, I'm being made new. Also, the unrepentant will be removed from Gods creation.

Your body will also be destroyed, and you will be given a new body. Free from sin and the limitations of this body

 

[luigi]

Did you know king davids grandmother was a gentile. And she believed in God

again, where do you find that a gentile is a non believer?

gentiles in scripture are non Jew, you have Jew and you have gentile

we have saved and unsaved Jews and saved and unsaved gentiles

I know you have Jew and you have gentiles, who are supposed to represent those who believe and those who don't. As I have shown with scriptures, what is a Jew spiritually was the Samaritan, while the Jews in the flesh who did not love their neighbor are in fact gentiles in the spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, you start first...

Lol

when they resort to that argument, its a prety much slam dunk they have nothing else to offer, they have hit a brick wall. So out comes the “strawman”

what they mean to say is I am 100% infalible, if you would believe me,you would believe the Bible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know you have Jew and you have gentiles, who are supposed to represent those who believe and those who don't. As I have shown with scriptures, what is a Jew spiritually was the Samaritan, while the Jews in the flesh who did not love their neighbor are in fact gentiles in the spirit.

Again, can you show me where it says this In scripture?

if you can’t that’s fine, we will just agree to disagree, but please, show me