Replacement theology.

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luigi

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Again, show me scripture, any scripture that stated they are saved NOW.

I have already stated Acts 3:19-21, that said salvation for Israel will only come in the 2nd coming, and Peter said that after the cross.
When the Lord responds to a certain lawyer who wanted to know how to attain eternal life (Salvation), Jesus tells the lawyer about a priest, a rabbi, and a Samaritan. The priest and the Rabbi, who supposedly believed in God, when they saw their fellow countryman from Jerusalem who had been attacked by robbers and left half dead, both crossed the road and continued on their journeys. Then a Samaritan, who supposedly did not believe in God, and thereby was regarded as a gentile, when he came upon the man from Jerusalem, who was an enemy of the Samaritans, picked up the injured man and insured his recuperation. Jesus then goes on to tell us that those who do the will of God are they who attain eternal life. So whom of the three do you think attained eternal life (Salvation)? Answer: The supposed non believer (gentile) Samaritan.
 

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She is the wayward wife
Gomer.

Through much drama and suffering she eventually is restored back to her husband.

There is no denying it. The church is not israel.
Yes, she is chastised to repentance not to oblivion. When their strength is gone he will have compassion on them. Deut 32:36
 

luigi

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So if you want to argue that Ephesians 2:11-12 should be linked to that passage in Ephesians 2:1-2 , are you saying that the circumcised, Israel, on the other hand, had hope in leaving off sinning prior to Christ's sacrifice?

Because that would be a silly lesson to draw.
Those of the circumcision, who believed in love, truth, justice, and all that is spiritually correct (just like the Samaritan in Luke 10), had hope of being saved from a carnal lifestyle in sin, as they were more believers in the Spirit than in the flesh. Love for your neighbor, like that of the Samaritan covers a multitude of sin.
 

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It’s interesting that none of the original children of Israel could enter into the promised land, it was only their children, the SECOND BORN and those who believed the account of TWO rather than the TEN could enter.

I think the “land of promise” was only an allegory for the promised land. In other words the land of Canaan was used to illustrate how believers are to reach the heavenly city, the promised land.

I have been totally blessed by the discussions on this thread, I’ve learned a lot.
Me too. I'm continually learning from others, both here and everywhere.
Heb.3:7-10 quoting Psa.95 also teaches on the Israelites travel to the land of promise.

For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Rom.15:4

The Jewish prophets and NT followers of our dear Lord Jesus gave their lives to explain them to us and we should have great respect for them.

I agree with you about the allegorical meaning of Canaan. One thing that strikes me in Heb.12:22 about coming to the promised land is that isn't about physically walking to a location, but having our perception changed as we "walk along" with the Lord. God bless.
 
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Gentiles are non believers. When Paul stated Gentiles it refers to all who do not believe in God, which included the Ephesians. And faith in God does not include belief in many gods.
Can you show me where this is stated?
 
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Those of the circumcision, who believed in love, truth, justice, and all that is spiritually correct (just like the Samaritan in Luke 10), had hope of being saved from a carnal lifestyle in sin, as they were more believers in the Spirit than in the flesh. Love for your neighbor, like that of the Samaritan covers a multitude of sin.
How about king David? Was he saved by grace Through faith
 
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Peter was not clear enough for you when he stated that David is not ascended into the heavens?
That is a good point, I'll have to look into what ascended means. That passage in Acts was proving that David was talking about Jesus and not himself.
 
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Me too. I'm continually learning from others, both here and everywhere.
Heb.3:7-10 quoting Psa.95 also teaches on the Israelites travel to the land of promise.

For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Rom.15:4

The Jewish prophets and NT followers of our dear Lord Jesus gave their lives to explain them to us and we should have great respect for them.

I agree with you about the allegorical meaning of Canaan. One thing that strikes me in Heb.12:22 about coming to the promised land is that isn't about physically walking to a location, but having our perception changed as we "walk along" with the Lord. God bless.
Amen. I do believe God did give the land of Canaan to the Jews of that time and allowed them to stay there until the kingdom was taken from them but it's obvious from other scripture that the land wasn't the land promised to Abraham.
 
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Those of the circumcision, who believed in love, truth, justice, and all that is spiritually correct (just like the Samaritan in Luke 10), had hope of being saved from a carnal lifestyle in sin, as they were more believers in the Spirit than in the flesh. Love for your neighbor, like that of the Samaritan covers a multitude of sin.
I see, alright then, we can agree to disagree there. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
 
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When the Lord responds to a certain lawyer who wanted to know how to attain eternal life (Salvation), Jesus tells the lawyer about a priest, a rabbi, and a Samaritan. The priest and the Rabbi, who supposedly believed in God, when they saw their fellow countryman from Jerusalem who had been attacked by robbers and left half dead, both crossed the road and continued on their journeys. Then a Samaritan, who supposedly did not believe in God, and thereby was regarded as a gentile, when he came upon the man from Jerusalem, who was an enemy of the Samaritans, picked up the injured man and insured his recuperation. Jesus then goes on to tell us that those who do the will of God are they who attain eternal life. So whom of the three do you think attained eternal life (Salvation)? Answer: The supposed non believer (gentile) Samaritan.
That Samaritan is a fictional character in the parable that Jesus told.

You want to use him as an answer to my question?
 

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Can you show me where this is stated?
A gentile is a person who does not believe in a single God, primarily that of Judaism. This perspective, however, is superficially distorted when we look at the story about the Samaritan in Luke 10, who did believe in loving his neighbor, and therefore was born of God who is love (1 John 4:7-8 & 16). The Samaritan who believed in love, who is God, though technically regarded as a unbelieving gentile, in fact was a believer in God/love.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
 

luigi

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That Samaritan is a fictional character in the parable that Jesus told.

You want to use him as an answer to my question?
Did the Lord not answer the lawyer who wanted to know how to attain eternal life/salvation with the parable? You seem to not want to believe the answer by calling the parable a fiction.
 
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A gentile is a person who does not believe in a single God, primarily that of Judaism. This perspective, however, is superficially distorted when we look at the story about the Samaritan in Luke 10, who did believe in loving his neighbor, and therefore was born of God who is love (1 John 4:7-8 & 16). The Samaritan who believed in love, who is God, though technically regarded as a unbelieving gentile, in fact was a believer in God/love.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Do you realize you identified "unbelieving gentile"

Believing gentile makes up most of the church.
 
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Did the Lord not answer the lawyer who wanted to know how to attain eternal life/salvation with the parable? You seem to not want to believe the answer by calling the parable a fiction.
I would have to go back and read it,but I think it was about doing good deeds (which one was his neighbor?)

....if I remember correctly
 

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How about king David? Was he saved by grace Through faith
Absolutely, David was ultimately saved believing in the Spirit over the flesh by the Lord's guiding grace in spiritual correctness/righteousness.
 
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luigi

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Do you realize you identified "unbelieving gentile"

Believing gentile makes up most of the church.
What I have done is identify what really is an unbelieving gentile from one who is not a gentile. The priest and rabbi in Luke 10 are in fact unbelieving gentiles in Spirit, while the Samaritan is a believer in God in Spirit.
 
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What I have done is identify what really is an unbelieving gentile from one who is not a gentile. The priest and rabbi in Luke 10 are in fact unbelieving gentiles in Spirit, while the Samaritan is a believer in God in Spirit.
I understood what you meant. :)
 

luigi

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You were responding to my post right?

https://christianchat.com/threads/replacement-theology.195824/post-4426742

I was not asking anything about that parable
You had asked to be shown any scripture which showed where anyone (Jews) are saved now. I showed you the parable about the Samaritan who though regarded as a gentile, was in fact a believer in God, and thereby saved. Likewise, any Jew, or any person throughout the world who believes in loving their neighbor is thereby born of God and believes in God, and has eternal life/saved. In regards specifically to Jews, when the abomination of desolation comes around those who do not believe in God, who covet their neighbors property, shall be dealt with severely (Micah 2:1-3). In contrast the Jews at this time who do believe in love, truth, and justice, not the single least of them shall fall (Amos 9:9).

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.


Guojing stated: "Again, show me scripture, any scripture that stated they are saved NOW.

I have already stated Acts 3:19-21, that said salvation for Israel will only come in the 2nd coming, and Peter said that after the cross."
 

luigi

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I would have to go back and read it,but I think it was about doing good deeds (which one was his neighbor?)

....if I remember correctly
While the result of the Samaritan was a good deed, the Samaritan did not do it to perform a good deed; he did because he was born of God and believed in loving his neighbor, and in this case his enemy, a Jew from Jerusalem.