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Good now we're getting some where.
Wouldn't you say that the above is referencing modern times. Israel has been without a temple for almost 2 thousand yrs.
When the scriptures point to David it can also be that it is pointing to jesus..(son of david) the one to...sit on David's throne.
Scripture has a face value but also has a phrase value.
Wouldn't you say that the above is referencing modern times. Israel has been without a temple for almost 2 thousand yrs.
When the scriptures point to David it can also be that it is pointing to jesus..(son of david) the one to...sit on David's throne.
Scripture has a face value but also has a phrase value.
There are probably hundreds of reasons that I don't think that is referencing modern times. The biggest one is probably in Amos where God said he is finished with Israel forever.
Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
For whatever reason, some people don't believe this. Why don't you believe it? That happened when Jesus took the kingdom from them, God isn't going to give the kingdom back to them. You're side has got to understand that there are two types of Israels in the bible and each and every verse must be examined to see WHICH ISRAEL is being talked about.
Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
For whatever reason, some people don't believe this. Why don't you believe it? That happened when Jesus took the kingdom from them, God isn't going to give the kingdom back to them. You're side has got to understand that there are two types of Israels in the bible and each and every verse must be examined to see WHICH ISRAEL is being talked about.
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Already answered so many times I lost count
and it was not just Abraham, it was his descendents through one seed (Issac)
and God told them when they would actually receive it also. Although Abraham was shown to have possessed when he and Lott picked a place to live and God told him he gave him all he could see
and it was not just Abraham, it was his descendents through one seed (Issac)
and God told them when they would actually receive it also. Although Abraham was shown to have possessed when he and Lott picked a place to live and God told him he gave him all he could see
I don't think people understand that the kingdom of heaven was under the stewardship of the flesh descendants of Israel, of which, the vast majority were wicked, and took advantage of the spiritual descendants.
God allowed that too happen until Christ came and took the kingdom from the flesh descendants and gave it to the spiritual descendants. He allowed it to happen because the FIRST BORN is the lawful inheritor until they SELL that birthright for a morsel of food.
You guys who stand for the flesh descendants of Israel are standing in support of the wicked Jews who lorded over, persecuted, and took advantage of the spiritual Jews right from the start.
God allowed that too happen until Christ came and took the kingdom from the flesh descendants and gave it to the spiritual descendants. He allowed it to happen because the FIRST BORN is the lawful inheritor until they SELL that birthright for a morsel of food.
You guys who stand for the flesh descendants of Israel are standing in support of the wicked Jews who lorded over, persecuted, and took advantage of the spiritual Jews right from the start.
The bible says differently.
Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
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Cherry picking I see.
So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”
Lease......and ......in their season......not forever. Time of the gentiles?
So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”
Lease......and ......in their season......not forever. Time of the gentiles?
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Gen 13: 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, thenyour descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you.”
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Gen 15: Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Nobody owns the VINE, Jesus, the word of God. The lease is the agreement between the OWNER of the vineyard and OTHER (not wicked Jews) vinedressers. Those SERVANTS will render to the MASTER the fruits of the Kingdom of heaven.
Do you get it now? The wicked Jews that you guys call God's chosen people DID NOT do anything to bring in the fruits and literally KILLED the Master's son.
Do you at least now agree with me that the kingdom was taken from the wicked Jews and given to the Godly Jews?
Do you get it now? The wicked Jews that you guys call God's chosen people DID NOT do anything to bring in the fruits and literally KILLED the Master's son.
Do you at least now agree with me that the kingdom was taken from the wicked Jews and given to the Godly Jews?
I love you EG, I don't want to see you tripped up. All I'm trying to do is show you scripture to help you see the truth. We both know that Abraham never inherited Canaan, but we both know that he did inherit the promised land because the verses I posted way back (can't remember the passage now) said that Abraham received his inheritance. I'll see if I can find those verses again.
@eternally-gratefull
I found it. Abraham patiently endured and finally God gave him the promised land.
Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
Heb 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
I found it. Abraham patiently endured and finally God gave him the promised land.
Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
Heb 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.