Replacement theology.

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KJV1611 said:
Yes I agree Israel was a nation but they weren’t the peculiar people and Holy nation that God chose.
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They will be, by the end of the Tribulation, as Paul explained in Romans 11.

God will fulfill his promise to King David, which is the gospel of the kingdom, in 2 Samuel 7

8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:

9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.

10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
 
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He didn't have to, because this

"Iknow has ye are Abraham's seed" vs "If ye were Abraham's children" Jn.8:37,39

is what you're blind to.
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yet god told abraham the land was given to his seed. Who would be slaves in Egypt.

this Is what you are blind to
 
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Guojing said:
They will be, by the end of the Tribulation, as Paul explained in Romans 11.

God will fulfill his promise to King David, which is the gospel of the kingdom, in 2 Samuel 7

8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:

9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.

10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
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Do you realize that the Israel in the verses you posted is Gods chosen people, spiritual Israel and not the flesh descendants?

Rom 9:6 (KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
 
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KJV1611 said:
Do you realize that the Israel in the verses you posted is Gods chosen people, spiritual Israel and not the flesh descendants?

Rom 9:6 (KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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It is a future event.

So when the nation Israel repented and believed in Jesus as their Messiah, when he returns for them during the 2nd coming, they will be reborn, just like all of us in the Body of Christ now.
 
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Guojing said:
Nope, but God commanded animal sacrifices for sins then.

So you would not offer them, if you are a Jew during the OT time period?
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Then they are useless

i would still be dead in my sin
 
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Guojing said:
So when God commanded animal sacrifices for sins to the Jews during the OT, you will not obey that commandment if you were living as a Jew then?
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Ge commanded me to be baptized. I did that

he commanded me to assemble together, I do thathe commanded me to seek after the things of the spirit, I do that

he commanded me to love love loved. I try my best to do that,

he commanded me to do many things, I do them

non of them have any bearing on my eternal life

faith produces works, works do not help faith,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ge commanded me to be baptized. I did that

he commanded me to assemble together, I do thathe commanded me to seek after the things of the spirit, I do that

he commanded me to love love loved. I try my best to do that,

he commanded me to do many things, I do them

non of them have any bearing on my eternal life

faith produces works, works do not help faith,
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Yes but you will still obey God’s commandments then right?

Glad to know that
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
yet god told abraham the land was given to his seed. Who would be slaves in Egypt.

this Is what you are blind to
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Ive alreay shown you what the Jewish writers of the NT said to the Jews of their day about the Jews bondage in Egypt, their release and the promised land.

Its not a separate promise from what believers in Jesus are promised. I didn't dream this up im my head. It's what the Jews who knew Jesus said.

Bondage to sin, deliverance by faith in Christ, going to God's eternal rest. Read Heb.4. That's what the Jew who knew his Torah said.
 
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Ive alreay shown you what the Jewish writers of the NT said to the Jews of their day about the Jews bondage in Egypt, their release and the promised land.

Its not a separate promise from what believers in Jesus are promised. I didn't dream this up im my head. It's what the Jews who knew Jesus said.

Bondage to sin, deliverance by faith in Christ, going to God's eternal rest. Read Heb.4. That's what the Jew who knew his Torah said.
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And I showed you god gave the land to them period. Not to Christ as you claimed

You claimed it was Christ, hence you changed the word, hence nothing you say concerning this subject is trustworthy. You can’t even admit a mistake
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
And I showed you god gave the land to them period. Not to Christ as you claimed
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But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Mt.21:38

eternally-gratefull said:
You claimed it was Christ, hence you changed the word, hence nothing you say concerning this subject is trustworthy. You can’t even admit a mistake
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Can you imagine someone telling the Son of God that the promised land doesn't belong to him? How stupid is this? This is repackaged atheism.
 
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The promised land to the Jews.......doesn't belong to the King of the Jews???????? Is anyone listening to this foolishmess?
 
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But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Mt.21:38

Can you imagine someone telling the Son of God that the promised land doesn't belong to him? How stupid is this? This is repackaged atheism.
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Keep rambling

i proved the promised land was given to all descendants through one not Christ as you insist

you changed the word, own it. Stop back peddling and trying to blame someone because you were exposed
 
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Journeyman said:
The promised land to the Jews.......doesn't belong to the King of the Jews???????? Is anyone listening to this foolishmess?
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The whole earth belongs to the Christ not just a plot of land

notice how he has been exposed of changing the word of God and now he has to back-peddle and use strawman, because he has to run from his mistake

will he repent or continue the nonsense?
 
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Ok you can end conversation if you like but this is what I was referring to.



You seemed to think I needed re-examine my position because I believe Israel is, was and always has been people who love God.

My reply to you was to point out that people who hate God aren’t included in that group. In other words, the Jews that hated God aren’t the Israel of God.
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I know I said it was the end of our conversation but I can't let this go.
Do you think saul (paul) hated God???
 
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Journeyman said:
The promised land to the Jews.......doesn't belong to the King of the Jews???????? Is anyone listening to this foolishmess?
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I can see why EG thinks the Jews are the inheritors of the land because he is drawn to see things from the land belongs to the Jews perspective and honestly, on the surface it does appear that way if that’s what you’re looking for.
The same is true from our side, we are drawn to see things from the Christ perspective and on the surface that seems to be true but the 100% guaranteed truth comes from reconciling both sides with one another.
 
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For those who believe in this replacement theology explain these.

For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, And like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will tear them and go away; I will take them away, and no one shall rescue. I will return again to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
 
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