Revelation's 42 Months and 1260 Days

[Abiding]

Nort exactly. With all due respect, brother, we obviously see Scripture through different filters. You appear to be concerned with the doctrinal issue while I'm concerned with what can be shown as historically fulfilled prophecy. So to my mind, the real question should be this: Is my original post true and historically accurate or false?

1. If false, then I'm a false teacher. I'll repent and with head hanging, fade into the sunset never to be seen again.

2. If provably true, however, then no matter how painful, we have to get our doctrines in line with observable reality or we are believing in false doctrine.

Peace my friend. I've been teaching a seminar and I'm exausted so I'll have to talk to you lter.

this is all false: to start with

You see, brother, the Church today teaches a doctrinal salvation . . . that you need to have your doctrine right to be saved. I believe that to be false doctrine. All over the Bible we read that God is far more concerned with the condition of the heart then He is with doctrinal accuracy. To paraphrase 1 Samuel 16:7, “Man looketh upon the doctrine, but the Lord looketh upon the heart.”

 

[Therapon]

From therapons OP

You see, brother, the Church today teaches a doctrinal salvation . . . that you need to have your doctrine right to be saved. I believe that to be false doctrine. All over the Bible we read that God is far more concerned with the condition of the heart then He is with doctrinal accuracy. To paraphrase 1 Samuel 16:7, “Man looketh upon the doctrine, but the Lord looketh upon the heart.”

That is what I said alright, but unless the Holy Spirit opens hearts to really understand Revelation, it sounds like heresy and I don't expect very many can believe it. However, when we do see the Lord face-to-face, we'll probably be surprised at all the people there we didn't expect to see, and even more surprised by those we don't.

 

[zone]

That is what I said alright, but unless the Holy Spirit opens hearts to really understand Revelation, it sounds like heresy and I don't expect very many can believe it. However, when we do see the Lord face-to-face, we'll probably be surprised at all the people there we didn't expect to see, and even more surprised by those we don't.

so, since it's a private revelation to you supposedly from the Holy Spirit, Whom you claim has given all new doctrine including new soteriology, we're kind of left with only taking your word fo.....nah.

ellis, i know how you did this, and who helped you.
give it up, man.

 

[Therapon]

In the context of Ezek 4v4-5, the days are literal days, and the years are literal years, they are certainly not a principle of prophetic interpretation.

A real problem in the church today is that nobody ever thinks it might be their doctrine that's wrong. Thirty years ago, my major fear was that I might be teaching God's word wrong. But over time, my heart was put at resat by the Word of God, the witness of the Holy Spirit and the affirmation of many brethren around the world who were strong in the Lord.

 

[tdrew777]

Nort exactly. With all due respect, brother, we obviously see Scripture through different filters. You appear to be concerned with the doctrinal issue while I'm concerned with what can be shown as historically fulfilled prophecy. So to my mind, the real question should be this: Is my original post true and historically accurate or false?

1. If false, then I'm a false teacher. I'll repent and with head hanging, fade into the sunset never to be seen again.

2. If provably true, however, then no matter how painful, we have to get our doctrines in line with observable reality or we are believing in false doctrine.

Peace my friend. I've been teaching a seminar and I'm exausted so I'll have to talk to you lter.

Thank you. Here is where I am coming from: What I have heard you say sounds non-sensical. I am repeating it back to you because I hope that that was not what you really meant. After I can repeat back what you are saying, and have you agree that that is it, then we can begin a critique.

 

[Abiding]

That is what I said alright, but unless the Holy Spirit opens hearts to really understand Revelation, it sounds like heresy and I don't expect very many can believe it. However, when we do see the Lord face-to-face, we'll probably be surprised at all the people there we didn't expect to see, and even more surprised by those we don't.

But its a lie....you changed the words in the Word of God and passed it off.
So start hanging you head and telling the thread. And fade off. As you promised.
I can fill a page how important doctrine is. You pass if off as nothing God cares about.
So hold up your vows and repent and move along.

 

[Abiding]

Just so you dont take this as im taking you personally heres a example again: This is what your op says God said

1Samuel 16:7, “Man looketh upon the doctrine, but the Lord looketh upon the heart.”

This is what God said:

1 Sam 16:7 7 But the LORDsaid unto Samuel,Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature;because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as manseeth ; for manlooketh on the outward appearance, but the LORDlooketh on the heart.

Its not about doctrine. God gave Jesus and the prophets doctrine
God was saying appearance wasnt an issue with Him, and at the same time
conditioned your hearers to not feel right doctrine was important
but more than likely sentiment and feelings.

Therapon you turned Gods word right around just like you do in your work.

 

[loveme1]

Romans 11

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

What must be believed in to be Grafted in again?

It is not written that they will be grafted in in "disbelief" but in "belief" and i believe that to mean Belief in the Messiah that came and Gave Testimony and will return.

 

[Laodicea]

Due to my particular ministry, I may possibly be aware of fulfillments of prophecy that the church at large is not. I’ll leave out most of the gory details, but this will still be a bit lengthy, please be patient.

35 years ago, the Lord led to dedicate the rest of my life to a new study of His prophetic books. One of the first things I learned from Daniel 12:11 was there would be 1290 days from the abolition of sacrifices in Daniel’s time until the “abomination that maketh desolate” would be set up. Ezekiel 4:5-6 reveals that a prophetic day should be understood as a year. Well, it is exactly 1290 Hebrew years, 1271.5 solar years, from when sacrifices were abolished in Daniel’s time until 688 A.D. when Kalifah Abd el Malik ibn Marwan began construction of the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount of God most holy.

The word sacrifice in the KJV is in italics meaning it is not in the original it has been added by the translators. The daily is a reference to the sanctuary but it is not just the daily sacrifice it is the daily ministry of the sanctuary. As there is a heavenly sanctuary it would be referring to that. They think to take away the daily from Christ. Part of the daily is the forgiveness of our sins which we go to Christ for, the system taking away the daily claims to be able to forgive sin so therefore they take away the daily from Christ.

As the Bible tells about Christ then so does prophecy it reveals Christ and the great controversy between Christ and Satan. Your version has nothing to do with the great controversy between Christ and Satan.

 

[Therapon]

But its a lie....you changed the words in the Word of God and passed it off.
So start hanging you head and telling the thread. And fade off. As you promised.
I can fill a page how important doctrine is. You pass if off as nothing God cares about.
So hold up your vows and repent and move along.

You didn't read carefully, and you accuse me of passing somerthing off? I plainly stated, "to parphrase 1Samuel 16:7," I DID NOT claim to quote it!!! But if you cannot see that my paraphrase was true to the spirit of the verse, then there is little I can say.

No doubt you could fill pages with the importance of doctrine, so could the Pharisees of Jesus' day and theologians ad nauseam ever since, but God's Word in Micah 6:8 says, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

Those are the requirements according to God. See anything about doctrine in there?

 

[loveme1]

Yes and the Messiah taught us to Love and be Humble to Forgive like Heavenly Father forgives....

We are the children of peace.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

I'm not totally sure what is being discussed here. But, The word say's that whosoever will confess with their mouth and believe in their heart the Lord Jesus Christ they shall be saved. This is for Jew and Gentile.

In Revelation when they see the one whom they pierced the will believe. God will save and defend Israel according to his promise. However the people must trust in him. Over and over in the OT the people rejected Him and God sent trouble their way and when they repented and followed his word He gave them rest. Until they strayed so far from God That He scattered them and they became nation no more.

Now he has brought them back according to his promise and as witness to the world and He will defend Israel. But there personal salvation is based on their belief in the cross just like us.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Something went wrong with my post it didn't include all that I typed. Sorry

 

[Abiding]

You didn't read carefully, and you accuse me of passing somerthing off? I plainly stated, "to parphrase 1Samuel 16:7," I DID NOT claim to quote it!!! But if you cannot see that my paraphrase was true to the spirit of the verse, then there is little I can say.

No doubt you could fill pages with the importance of doctrine, so could the Pharisees of Jesus' day and theologians ad nauseam ever since, but God's Word in Micah 6:8 says, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

Those are the requirements according to God. See anything about doctrine in there?

I knew youd say that....but...that was no paraphrase at all it was a lie, not true to the
spirit at all.

If you want to make the point found in micah id advise to use micah. And micah says nothing
about ignoring doctrine so you didnt wiggle out of what you wrote. I didnt think you really were
going to admit it

 

[gotime]

42 months being that it is in the bible should be reckoned by Bible standards. thus a month would be reckoned according to the Jewish month, which is 30 days. Hence the 42 months are actually 1260 days the same time period. same with time times and half a time. that is time/1year, times/2 years and half a time/half a year which added up is 1260 days again. blessings

 

[Therapon]

The word sacrifice in the KJV is in italics meaning it is not in the original it has been added by the translators. The daily is a reference to the sanctuary but it is not just the daily sacrifice it is the daily ministry of the sanctuary. As there is a heavenly sanctuary it would be referring to that. They think to take away the daily from Christ. Part of the daily is the forgiveness of our sins which we go to Christ for, the system taking away the daily claims to be able to forgive sin so therefore they take away the daily from Christ.

As the Bible tells about Christ then so does prophecy it reveals Christ and the great controversy between Christ and Satan. Your version has nothing to do with the great controversy between Christ and Satan.

You know, I never have worried overmuch about the doctrinal implications of the dozen day-year and time-times prophecies being fulfilled, first at the Cross, then in the Dome of the Rock "the abomination that maketh desolate," then in the new Israel established in 1948, then in Jerusalem freed of Gentile control in 1967, plus the Jewish people and Gentile church being the Two Witnesses. That those prophecies have been fulfilled as I stated is a fact, the scriptural fits and the mathematics are unassailable! Many have tried to disprove them over the 35 years I've been teaching, to date no one has succeeded.

Not everything in the Bible is directly about the Lord Jesus, none of the historic books are, and according to your logic, the book of Esther shouldn't even be in the Bible. For whatever reason, the Lord led me to look at His prophetic books from the historic perspective and the Lord is always in them, If you read any of my books you would see than I always keep the Lord central.

 

[Laodicea]

You know, I never have worried overmuch about the doctrinal implications of the dozen day-year and time-times prophecies being fulfilled, first at the Cross, then in the Dome of the Rock "the abomination that maketh desolate," then in the new Israel established in 1948, then in Jerusalem freed of Gentile control in 1967, plus the Jewish people and Gentile church being the Two Witnesses. That those prophecies have been fulfilled as I stated is a fact, the scriptural fits and the mathematics are unassailable! Many have tried to disprove them over the 35 years I've been teaching, to date no one has succeeded.

Not everything in the Bible is directly about the Lord Jesus, none of the historic books are, and according to your logic, the book of Esther shouldn't even be in the Bible. For whatever reason, the Lord led me to look at His prophetic books from the historic perspective and the Lord is always in them, If you read any of my books you would see than I always keep the Lord central.

It is not that people can't it is that you wont believe. You seem to be stuck on Islam. It is hard to give up long held beliefs.

 

[Therapon]

Yes and the Messiah taught us to Love and be Humble to Forgive like Heavenly Father forgives....

We are the children of peace.

I know m'Lady, thanks for the reminder. <smile>

 

[Therapon]

It is not that people can't it is that you wont believe. You seem to be stuck on Islam. It is hard to give up long held beliefs.

I don't understand, sir, This has primarily been about day-years, new Israel and the Two Witmesses.

 

[Laodicea]

Of course not, and I have only shown here and in various other threads, a smattering of the biblical evidence showing that a devout Jew of our own time could be saved without recognizing Yeshua as his Messiah.

You see, brother, the Church today teaches a doctrinal salvation . . . that you need to have your doctrine right to be saved. I believe that to be false doctrine. All over the Bible we read that God is far more concerned with the condition of the heart then He is with doctrinal accuracy. To paraphrase 1 Samuel 16:7, “Man looketh upon the doctrine, but the Lord looketh upon the heart.”

This is error the Bible is plain there is only salvation in Christ.