Romans 10 REFUTES:TULIP, works salvation, and baptism for salvation

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limmuwd

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There are verses saying repent to be saved, believe and be baptized, repent and be baptized, eat Jesus' blood and flesh to be saved, believe to be saved, confess to be saved. Well which one is it then? Why does it say all that, what about John 3:16 and the Romans verses quoted above?

Is it true that you are saved by calling on the name of the Lord? Yes. But what about those other verses that mention more than just confession and belief?
What we see in our daily Christian walk is, after belief, confession, repentance usually comes water baptism and partaking of the Lord's supper. That is why I believe those other verses are there, but if anyone has another explanation I am all ears
You are correct. The multitude of letters in the New Testament are there for a reason. And all are written only to those in the churches who have been "saved." The promises AND the warnings are to us who have "believed."

Being "saved" is only the beginning of our Journey toward the "rest of God." If we fail to truly Repent (turn from our sins), Walk Worthy, and Overcome, we will not enter "His rest" and inherit the promises of Rev 2 & 3.

"Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me,
and to the blameless I will show my salvation.”

- Psalm 50:23

Amen.
 

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You are correct. The multitude of letters in the New Testament are there for a reason. And all are written only to those in the churches who have been "saved." The promises AND the warnings are to us who have "believed."

Being "saved" is only the beginning of our Journey toward the "rest of God." If we fail to truly Repent (turn from our sins), Walk Worthy, and Overcome, we will not enter "His rest" and inherit the promises of Rev 2 & 3.

"Those who sacrifice thank offerings honor me,
and to the blameless I will show my salvation.”

- Psalm 50:23

Amen.
Amen. This is the doctrine, so easy to understand yet so hard to hear.
 

Dino246

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Flimsy rebudel. What about the word "USWARD"?
The word is "rebuttal".

Your position would require that God only wants people who are already saved to come to repentance, and then it must only be for sins committed after believing in Christ. Are you really sure that is what you're arguing?
 

Dino246

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Not to my calculation.
Evidentiary assertions are worthless without evidence. Unless you can demonstrate convincingly that you have "calculated" the failure of several major translations to harmonize, I will have to conclude that your assertion is merely baseless opinion.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The word is "rebuttal".

Your position would require that God only wants people who are already saved to come to repentance, and then it must only be for sins committed after believing in Christ. Are you really sure that is what you're arguing?
I am not a very good speller, thanks for the correction. Yes, I am sure. the scriptures teach such. The inspired scriptures were written to eternally saved people, God's elect, as instructions as to how God wants his children to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth. It is also the good news that informs them how that Christ died to pay for their sins on the cross and imputed his righteousness unto them in the new birth.
 

Dino246

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I am not a very good speller, thanks for the correction. Yes, I am sure. the scriptures teach such. The inspired scriptures were written to eternally saved people, God's elect, as instructions as to how God wants his children to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth. It is also the good news that informs them how that Christ died to pay for their sins on the cross and imputed his righteousness unto them in the new birth.
We differ on the intended audience for the Scriptures. Yes, the epistles were written to believers. That is not the case with the OT, and likely not with Hebrews or the gospels, with the possible exception of Luke.
 

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We differ on the intended audience for the Scriptures. Yes, the epistles were written to believers. That is not the case with the OT, and likely not with Hebrews or the gospels, with the possible exception of Luke.
We are in agreement that my belief in the scriptures is different than the way you believe them. The natural man, before he has been born of the Spirit will not and cannot discern the things of the Spirit and therefore will not have an interest to even try to read the scriptures. That is why God inspired them to be directed to those who are born of the Spirit and can discern spiritual things. One thing we both must strive to do and that is to harmonize the scriptures to the best of our ability.
 

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Amen. This is the doctrine, so easy to understand yet so hard to hear.
I believe the "entering into his rest" is not referring to entering into heaven, but entering into God's fellowship within the church. When we sin, we do not lose our eternal inheritance, just our fellowship with God until we repent because God will not fellowship with sin.
 

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I believe the "entering into his rest" is not referring to entering into heaven, but entering into God's fellowship within the church. When we sin, we do not lose our eternal inheritance, just our fellowship with God until we repent because God will not fellowship with sin.
Sorry TooFastTurtle, I ment these comments for limmuwd instead of you.
 
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We differ on the intended audience for the Scriptures. Yes, the epistles were written to believers. That is not the case with the OT, and likely not with Hebrews or the gospels, with the possible exception of Luke.
I would offer.. God is not a man as us

What applies in the new applies in the old. and vice versa. Its all one Word, one gospel, one author .

The gospel is the good news coming from a exclusive faith. . . . . the unseen understanding of God, to the same unseen understanding (faith to faith) .

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the
power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith .Romans 1:16-17

I would think its not good news to those under the letter of the law .Only those who hear his voice and follow after the loving commandments. Not good suggestions

The loving commandment . . . Study to show

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Again not just a good suggestion .But more of it would seem how can we hear God who hides his glory . Infallibly warning us that we do not need men seen to teach us . He live in us teaching us daily we abide in Him . It is one of the reasons he spoke in parables when he did . To foster unbelief in those who had no faith and no interest in his gospel program.

Remember God put his word in their mouth . His tongue as it is written or new tongue the gospel. . (Sola scriptura) I think a person could say it, as it is written is the armor of God .

The loving commandment . . .look not

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The loving commandment . . . have not

James 2 King James Version (KJV)2 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

In that way they are not commandments of men as oral traditions thereof .

As in all cases we can plant the eternal seed and water it with the doctrines of God that fall form heaven like rain. But only God can casues the growth if any.
 

Dino246

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I would offer.. God is not a man as us

What applies in the new applies in the old. and vice versa. Its all one Word, one gospel, one author .

The gospel is the good news coming from a exclusive faith. . . . . the unseen understanding of God, to the same unseen understanding (faith to faith) .

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith .Romans 1:16-17

I would think its not good news to those under the letter of the law .Only those who hear his voice and follow after the loving commandments. Not good suggestions

The loving commandment . . . Study to show

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Again not just a good suggestion .But more of it would seem how can we hear God who hides his glory . Infallibly warning us that we do not need men seen to teach us . He live in us teaching us daily we abide in Him . It is one of the reasons he spoke in parables when he did . To foster unbelief in those who had no faith and no interest in his gospel program.

Remember God put his word in their mouth . His tongue as it is written or new tongue the gospel. . (Sola scriptura) I think a person could say it, as it is written is the armor of God .

The loving commandment . . .look not

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The loving commandment . . . have not

James 2 King James Version (KJV)2 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

In that way they are not commandments of men as oral traditions thereof .

As in all cases we can plant the eternal seed and water it with the doctrines of God that fall form heaven like rain. But only God can casues the growth if any.
Garee, what does the word "relevant" mean to you?
 

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I believe the "entering into his rest" is not referring to entering into heaven, but entering into God's fellowship within the church. When we sin, we do not lose our eternal inheritance, just our fellowship with God until we repent because God will not fellowship with sin.
When we come to know what the Goal is for God's Elect, and indeed for Creation, we begin to see how the whole of Scripture fits together, and how no passage needs to be ignored, twisted or passed off onto the Jews or the heathen.

Setting aside our modern religious filters, man-made traditions, and denominational doctrines; and allowing the Spirit of the Living God to "guide us into all Truth" has been a tremendous blessing.

 
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Garee, what does the word "relevant" mean to you?
I would think it mean closely connected . Not one as the new and Old testament. Not two halves closely connected. The Bible speaks to those who follow the loving commandments not just suggestions. . Choose whatever a person desires..is another gospel

Unbelievers refuse to look to the spirit understanding hid from natural man . Parable foster unbelief to them .They want nothing to with the gospel in that way.

What does it mean to you?
 

Dino246

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I would think it mean closely connected . Not one as the new and Old testament. Not two halves closely connected. The Bible speaks to those who follow the loving commandments not just suggestions. . Choose whatever a person desires..is another gospel

Unbelievers refuse to look to the spirit understanding hid from natural man . Parable foster unbelief to them .They want nothing to with the gospel in that way.


What does it mean to you?
The word "relevant" means "directly related" or "on the same topic".

In other words, if I say that Jesus is God in the flesh, and you respond by saying, "God is not a man as us," your comment, while misleading in the context of my statement, is relevant.

However, if I say "We differ on the intended audience for the Scriptures", and you respond by saying, "God is not a man as us," your comment is not relevant (another way to say this is "irrelevant"). It does not relate in any way to what I wrote.

A great many of your comments are not relevant to the posts to which they are written in response. Even the words that are italicized in your post above are not relevant to mine. If you intend to offer benefit either to me or to other readers of your posts, it would really help if your comments were relevant to the topic being discussed at that point.