Sabbath: The Lord's Day

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Jesus warned us about breaking the commandments of God to honor our own traditions (Matthew 15:3-6).

This is what we are doing by observing Sunday worship instead of God's fourth commandment.

We claim to be worshipping the Lord, but Jesus declared, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).

Honoring the seventh day is a commandment of God from the beginning, while honoring the first day is a commandment of man from 321 A.D. Choose Life and live.
 
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I agree with you and I don't think I ever said sabbath was for the Jews only.

If you happened to go to some church on a Sunday to preach, will it mean that you observed your Sabbath on Sunday? The verses you quoted are very simple to understand. The people (esp. the Jews) gathered in synagogues on Sabbath days and so Paul went and discussed about the word of God with them. I don't see that it means Paul kept or observed the Sabbath. If you know a place in the Bible which says the gentiles gathered together on a sabbath day, then please show me.
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Acts says both jew and gent worshiped in the synagogues I posted that as well read it again.
 
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Just like adultery, dishonoring the Sabbath was punishable by death (Exodus 31:14-15 and Numbers 15:32-36).

There is no way we will escape if we ignore it.


Honoring the Sabbath is an everlasting sign for true worshippers of God. "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever..." (Exodus 31:17).

True Sabbath worship sets us apart or sanctifies us from the rest of the world.
 
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Our Father gave the order and the number of days in a week. He also commanded we remember the Seventh Day. No one is authorized to change what He has established for us all. There are seven days in a week, six are for working the seventh is that Sabbath. Our Father said it, I believe it, that settles it. (Yes that last part is taken from a great bumper sticker, halleluyah! amen)
 
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I am least concerned with what happens to the rest of the earth. I'll be with the Lamb who is my Light so I'll never see darkness.

From sabbath to sabbath and new moon to new moon means all the time. If according to the verse you quoted, we'll have remembrance of the Sabbath as you do here then there should also be new moons. While, in this city, we see that there'll be no sun then how will moon be there?
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The bible is clear that we will not be in the city the whole time we do go out in to the earth so this tells me that you should be concerned with what happens to the rest of the earth. Isa_65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

And yes it dos mean forever but that dos not take away the fact that there will be days and mouths meaning we will keep track of time. I think your trying to hard to make your point even to the point of blindness. What is your fear of keeping the sabbath the way the bible tells you to? Is it your job? I mean if its just a day to you then why not keep it.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Our Father gave the order and the number of days in a week. He also commanded we remember the Seventh Day. No one is authorized to change what He has established for us all. There are seven days in a week, six are for working the seventh is that Sabbath. Our Father said it, I believe it, that settles it. (Yes that last part is taken from a great bumper sticker, halleluyah! amen)
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Amen!!!!

We need more of those bumper stickers with all of your words on it!
 
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Many think the Sabbath is only for Israel.

However, God is the God of all people.

I ask you is "thou shalt not kill" only for Israel?

NO!

The Lord chose to reveal all of his laws to Israel, that through Israel they might be revealed to the whole world.

Therefore, God's Sabbath is for everybody to observe, "Also, the sons of the stranger (non-Israelite), that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, everyone that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it...even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer..." (Isaiah 56:6-7).

So just as any and everyone will get punished for breaking the Sabbath, any and everyone will get blessed for observing it.
 
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When the Lord return what day do you think he will keep Holy?

The seventh day or the first day?

I know its the 7th day

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

This verse says a lot about Jesus

Past and future
 
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Would you say those Chrisitans who keep not the 7th day sabbath willfully ignorant or
are still babes in the word of God

Listen to this

Hebrews 10:26-29 (KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Are they willfully ignorant?
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Do they need to grow in grace and Knowledge of Jesus

2 Peter 3:18 (KJV)
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
 
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LawofLove said:
The bible is clear that we will not be in the city the whole time we do go out in to the earth so this tells me that you should be concerned with what happens to the rest of the earth. Isa_65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

And yes it dos mean forever but that dos not take away the fact that there will be days and mouths meaning we will keep track of time. I think your trying to hard to make your point even to the point of blindness. What is your fear of keeping the sabbath the way the bible tells you to? Is it your job? I mean if its just a day to you then why not keep it.
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Wherever I am, I am with the Son, the Light so I am least bothered what happens in darkness, if darkness exists.
Why should I observe it if it's only another day? I could be more devout than you, if you would like to boast yourself. I am saying everyday is the Lord's. Everyday of my life is blessed. Not only Sabbath days. This is the day that the Lord has made and I'll rejoice and be glad in it. It is always today for me. Why are you being so pushy in persuading me to observe something that is not worth? I am persuaded from above about this. So don't you ever tell me what I should be doing. You can share your opinions and that's fine.
I am not trying hard to make MY point here. There is nothing MINE. It could be you who's doing that. It's you who doesn't understand and have become blind completely with your legalistic views. Why don't you guys get circumcised? You pick and choose and then push others to do that? Circumcision existed before those ten commandments. I live by faith in Jesus Christ and you want to live by works which your fathers tried so hard to live and are dead. I have received this freedom by grace and why do you want bring me into bondage?
 
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ozell said:
Man realizes the importance of setting one day aside to worship God. Nevertheless, he has tried to change God's set time and law of Sabbath worship.

"And he shall speak great words against the most High...and think to change times and laws..." (Daniel 7:25).

This change went into effect on March 7, 321 A.D., by Emperor Constantine of Rome. Constantine, "...enjoined Sunday rest from labor, except agricultural" (Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 21, 1945).

It is even recorded that Constantine used violence to enforce his new law, because the seventh day Sabbath was still being observed by true servants of God.

Now if it would seem blasphemous for people to change their day of worship today, how do you think God felt when man changed his?
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DID CONSTANTINE CHANGE THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY?

The issue that was addressed at Nicea was whether Passover should be celebrated on Nisan 14, on the day it fell on the Jewish calendar, or whether it should be celebrated on a Sunday near Nisan 14.

The council did decide that Passover would be celebrated on a Sunday by all churches, but it did not address the weekly meeting of the churches.

The churches had been meeting on Sunday since apostolic times. Justin Martyr mentions Sunday as the Christian meeting day by name in A.D. 150 (First Apology 67), but Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, addresses the issue even earlier:

Those who have been brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e., converted Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath but living in observance of the Lord's day. (Magnesians 9, c. A.D. 110


Article Source: The Council of Nicea: Dispelling the Myths
 
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ozell said:
Would you say those Chrisitans who keep not the 7th day sabbath willfully ignorant or
are still babes in the word of God

Listen to this

Hebrews 10:26-29 (KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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ironically, this passage warns against leaving the Grace of the New Covenant returning to the Old (where the blood of animals can not take away sin).

(hint: see to whom the Book is addressed). you'd be less confused and less of a danger to the Church if you read the Book of Hebrews.
stop judaizing.
 
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LawofLove said:
Acts says both jew and gent worshiped in the synagogues I posted that as well read it again.
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Show me where the gentile christians ONLY used to have fellowship on Sabbath. You are pointing me back to the Jews gathering on Sabbath. It was in their custom to do it and so they did and the gentiles joined them.
 
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Abishai said:
Wherever I am, I am with the Son, the Light so I am least bothered what happens in darkness, if darkness exists.
Why should I observe it if it's only another day? I could be more devout than you, if you would like to boast yourself. I am saying everyday is the Lord's. Everyday of my life is blessed. Not only Sabbath days. This is the day that the Lord has made and I'll rejoice and be glad in it. It is always today for me. Why are you being so pushy in persuading me to observe something that is not worth? I am persuaded from above about this. So don't you ever tell me what I should be doing. You can share your opinions and that's fine.
I am not trying hard to make MY point here. There is nothing MINE. It could be you who's doing that. It's you who doesn't understand and have become blind completely with your legalistic views. Why don't you guys get circumcised? You pick and choose and then push others to do that? Circumcision existed before those ten commandments. I live by faith in Jesus Christ and you want to live by works which your fathers tried so hard to live and are dead. I have received this freedom by grace and why do you want bring me into bondage?
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Where is this written this is your thoughts and that all it is

Isaiah 55:8 (KJV)
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord .

What freedom are you talking about?
 
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cenallen said:
ironically, this passage warns against leaving the Grace of the New Covenant returning to the Old (where the blood of animals can not take away sin).

(hint: see to whom the Book is addressed). you'd be less confused and less of a danger to the Church if you read the Book of Hebrews.
stop judaizing.
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What s grace?

Please use the bible
 
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Abishai said:
Show me where the gentile christians ONLY used to have fellowship on Sabbath. You are pointing me back to the Jews gathering on Sabbath. It was in their custom to do it and so they did and the gentiles joined them.
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I will show you

Acts 13:42,44 (KJV)
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Read the whole chapter

Yea your forefathers kept the sabbath
 
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Abishai said:
Show me where the gentile christians ONLY used to have fellowship on Sabbath. You are pointing me back to the Jews gathering on Sabbath. It was in their custom to do it and so they did and the gentiles joined them.
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Let me take you further back

Exodus 12:37-38 (KJV)
And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. [38] And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

Let's open up your understanding some more

That mixed multitude included all the sons of Adam that lived in Egypt who left out with Israel

Exodus 12:49 (KJV)
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

How many laws?

One law

James 4:12 (KJV)
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

How many law givers?

One

Who was he?

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That rock in the wilderness with Israel and the mixed. Multitude was israel
 
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Abishai

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ozell said:
Where is this written this is your thoughts and that all it is

Isaiah 55:8 (KJV)
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord .

What freedom are you talking about?
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Quoting irrelevant verses will not make you more wise. What's my thought in this? Are we not going to be with Jesus? Ok. I should have said 'in Him' instead of 'with Him'. I will be in the Light forever. I have nothing to do with darkness :)
Freedom from the law, from which the Lord liberated me by His blood. The Son has set me free so I am free indeed. Not keeping Sabbath in flesh will not make me a sinner. Many in the OT profaned it and were still blameless.
 
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We read that the mixed multitude went into the wilderness with Israel

Let's read what the people in the wilderness was called

Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

The church was in the wilderness, the Israelites Along with theixed multitude is the church

In the wilderness is where the recived the commandants

Exodus 19:1,23-25 (KJV)
In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai. [23] And Moses said unto the Lord , The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it. [24] And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord , lest he break forth upon them. [25] So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.

Exodus 20:1-2,8,18-20 (KJV)
And God spake all these words, saying, [2] I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it , they removed, and stood afar off. [19] And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die. [20] And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

God's commandments for all people
 
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