Sabbath: The Lord's Day

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JaumeJ

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Frankly speaking, I didn't follow your first part of the comment. Please look into your previous comment. You have only written about the ages and the years, which I am least interested in. Is that not earthly? The number of years and all that stuff is not found in the Bible so I can dismiss it and still remain spiritual. So I guess you have understood now. My point is to make you see that the eternity you are looking for is the true Sabbath and nothing else but you try to bring me down again on earth to think about the seventh day on earth. As mentioned by Paul this OT Sabbath is the shadow of the eternity to come.
May the Lord bless you.
I must make the same comment on your post. What can be more spiritual than to meditate on the return of our Savior and His Kingdom. As concerning when it is, I will not say because it is not known by any man, but Yahweh, God, has given us an idea. At any rate, believing the Word, it is good to be urgent in season and out, and urgent I am.
 

JaumeJ

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Which of the ten commandments tell us that we must be born again? Is that not a commandment? The law that was given to Moses was according to the righteousness of Moses because he was the most righteous man on earth during his time. The law was given to man due to the hardness of man, else man was to live by faith and not by law. We are Abraham's seed and not Moses' (I am not putting Moses down here but Israel during his time). Because the children of Israel were living in unbelief, Moses was given the law. The law that just gave man a moral standard according to the righteousness of man and not according to the righteousness of God. Jesus had the righteousness of God and He gave us the commandments much higher than what Moses did. But unfortunately you want me to go back to the righteousness of man, Moses, while God has taken me much above Moses and closer to Himself through His Son. And then He tells me, now unless your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, you shall in no wise enter into the Kingdom of God. The Bible, esp. the NT never limits us with only ten commandments nor even one time the NT uses the word 'ten commandments'.

No body else but Jesus made the NT. You cannot say that Paul was responsible of making of NT. I don't have to tell you what a testament means now. That's an agreement made between God and man through the sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ. Where does Paul or Peter come here?

May the Father in heaven shower His abundant mercies upon you.
Anything the Master, Yeshua, teaches is not a simple suggestion it is vital for the spiritual survival of any one of His followers. If you read His conversation with Nicodemus, you find Jesus, Yeshua, declares we must be born again. Now, please do not be as Nicodemus who did not understand what was being stated and taught. He was speaking of receiving the Holy Spirit, being born again, amen.
 
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Abishai

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I must make the same comment on your post. What can be more spiritual than to meditate on the return of our Savior and His Kingdom. As concerning when it is, I will not say because it is not known by any man, but Yahweh, God, has given us an idea. At any rate, believing the Word, it is good to be urgent in season and out, and urgent I am.
I never denied that meditating on His coming is spiritual. But you have not accepted that the Eternal Life, the Eternal Rest is our Sabbath. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the topic.
 
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Laodicea

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I never denied that meditating on His coming is spiritual. But you have not accepted that the Eternal Life, the Eternal Rest is our Sabbath. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the topic.
By your own opinions and understanding you are trying to get rid of the Law of God.
 
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Abishai

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Anything the Master, Yeshua, teaches is not a simple suggestion it is vital for the spiritual survival of any one of His followers. If you read His conversation with Nicodemus, you find Jesus, Yeshua, declares we must be born again. Now, please do not be as Nicodemus who did not understand what was being stated and taught. He was speaking of receiving the Holy Spirit, being born again, amen.
Jaume, I don't think you'll ever understand what I am saying. Did I deny that Jesus was talking to Nicodemus or that He was talking about the Holy Spirit? Why do you talk that which is not relevant to the topic? 'You should be born again to enter into His kingdom' is a commandment or not? This is my question to you.
Finally, I conclude you'll never understand what I am trying to say and you may say the same to me as well, I don't mind. By this I am not going to debate with you anymore. Tired of jumping trees after you.
 

JaumeJ

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I never denied that meditating on His coming is spiritual. But you have not accepted that the Eternal Life, the Eternal Rest is our Sabbath. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the topic.
I would never confirm or deny such an idea, and for now it is irrelevant to my being saved by the Blood of Yeshua and His crucifixion.
It seems you are gifted with judging what and how others think, almost an oracle. You hardly know a think about what I believe and think and you already have me pegged, very good.
The thousand years as a day are the rest of mankind with Yeshua reigning. The previous thousand years may be thought of as akin to the six working days, we are in them now.
There is no rest from our weekly labors in this age however we do have a great and glorious Sabbath at the doorway.
 
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Abishai

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By your own opinions and understanding you are trying to get rid of the Law of God.
The just shall live by faith and not by law. I don't get rid of the law but Christ already did that for me by keeping it and I am just following Him by faith
 

JaumeJ

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Jaume, I don't think you'll ever understand what I am saying. Did I deny that Jesus was talking to Nicodemus or that He was talking about the Holy Spirit? Why do you talk that which is not relevant to the topic? 'You should be born again to enter into His kingdom' is a commandment or not? This is my question to you.
Finally, I conclude you'll never understand what I am trying to say and you may say the same to me as well, I don't mind. By this I am not going to debate with you anymore. Tired of jumping trees after you.
Are you deliberately cloaking the meaning of anything you say. My grasp of language is fairly good, though it will never be perfect, and I received the Holy Spirit many decades ago when I first came to our Father. He gave me then all I need to know about salvation, and there are no writings of anyone coming to clarify the Word in this age other than the Two Witnesses, the prophet of the anti-Christ and the anti-Christ, so I wonder as to what deep and most profound teachings are proceeding from you. It is easy to speak in plain words, unless of course Yahweh, God, has directed you otherwise. If you are so gifted, I adjure you to let the world know now so we can all learn and understand.
 

JaumeJ

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The just shall live by faith and not by law. I don't get rid of the law but Christ already did that for me by keeping it and I am just following Him by faith
As it is written, the law is our guardian or custodian until came grace. If the law is a custodian it is good, and we, though living by faith and under the auspices of grace, Yeshua's Blood, do refer to the law for proper conduct in this age. When we break the law we have the Mediator, Yeshua, Jesus, to speak for our pardon always. Blessed by the Grace that is in Yeshua, Jesus, amen.
 
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Laodicea

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The just shall live by faith and not by law. I don't get rid of the law but Christ already did that for me by keeping it and I am just following Him by faith
Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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masha

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MARK 3:1-6 Read
Jesus held a man with a deformed hand on sabbath and asked his enemies if it was legal to do good deeds on the sabbath, or is it a day for doing harm? is this a day to save life or to destroy it? This teaches us we can do anything good in the day of sabbath or sundays. and God dont consider good did as a sin.
 
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If you believe meditating on Yahweh, God's Word and will is of this world, this is your prerogative. I believe I am looking to the coming of Yeshua, Jesus, and the thousand years. How this can be simply earthly wisdom is quite beyond my grasp of reason.
what thousand years?
more unbelief.
 
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

why are you looking at the 10 commandments as bondage? Its the moral law and shows us what true love is. The first 4 10 commandments tell us how to love God and the other 6 tell us how to love man. How do you know what sin is with out it?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The moral law can never be done away with. Only the ceremonial laws can be done away with. Paul was a teacher of the OT because there was not TN it was still being made.
2 Corinthians 3 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

not MOSES!
CHRIST!
 
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Frankly speaking, I didn't follow your first part of the comment. Please look into your previous comment. You have only written about the ages and the years, which I am least interested in. Is that not earthly? The number of years and all that stuff is not found in the Bible so I can dismiss it and still remain spiritual. So I guess you have understood now. My point is to make you see that the eternity you are looking for is the true Sabbath and nothing else but you try to bring me down again on earth to think about the seventh day on earth. As mentioned by Paul this OT Sabbath is the shadow of the eternity to come.
May the Lord bless you.
AMEN!
keep speaking the word of The Lord, brother Abishai.




Romans 2 You who call yourselves Jews are relying on God's law, and you boast about your special relationship with him

Romans 3 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith.


John 5 39“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! 40Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

41“Your approval means nothing to me, 42because I know you don’t have God’s love within you. 43For I have come to you in my Father’s name, and you have rejected me. Yet if others come in their own name, you gladly welcome them. 44No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.e

45“Yet it isn’t I who will accuse you before the Father. Moses will accuse you! Yes, Moses, in whom you put your hopes. 46If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. 47But since you don’t believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”



John 4:36 Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

John 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
 
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Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Galatians 6 2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Romans 8 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death

Galatians 3 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
 
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The thousand years as a day are the rest of mankind with Yeshua reigning. The previous thousand years may be thought of as akin to the six working days, we are in them now.
There is no rest from our weekly labors in this age however we do have a great and glorious Sabbath at the doorway.
more jewish fables.
you have not entered His rest.
 
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Abishai, I understand what you are trying to say.
I keep the literal sabbath, as part of the 10 commandments, as a foreshadowing of the real sabbath.
And because I need and receive rest every week on that day.
I also strive to keep the amplified idea of commandments that Y'Shua exposed, cleaning the heart and manifesting love as "fruit" from the "tree of life."
Peace.
 
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Abishai

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Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

and then

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

and then

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

and then

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

We do establish the law but it is by faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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Abishai

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Abishai, I understand what you are trying to say.
I keep the literal sabbath, as part of the 10 commandments, as a foreshadowing of the real sabbath.
And because I need and receive rest every week on that day.
I also strive to keep the amplified idea of commandments that Y'Shua exposed, cleaning the heart and manifesting love as "fruit" from the "tree of life."
Peace.
We are no more living in shadow. Good that you understand and I am glad about it. We are awaiting that glorious sabbath to appear when we will rest for eternity in His garden of Eden, glorifying Him, eating of the fruit of the Tree of Life which gives 12 manner of fruits and yields its fruit every month. We don't have to cook, don't have to work, we have feasts there.

Yes, I do agree that we have to set aside a day for the Lord in a week and if possible more than one day. But I am not for observing it as a Sabbath day. Even if it is possible, give to God 7 days a week and 24 hours a day.
 
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LawofLove

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2 Corinthians 3 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

not MOSES!
CHRIST!
Mat 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?
Mat 22:37 And Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." Deut. 6:5
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Lev. 19:18
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments all the Law and the Prophets hang

Notice these are just quotes from the OT. The 10 commandments still stand.

By the way thank you for using the whole quote also cenallen.