Sabbath: The Lord's Day

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sunday is not the Lord's thoughts

the sabbath is the Lord's thoughts

the sabbath is higher than sunday
Isaiah 55:7-9

King James Version (KJV)

7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.



sabbath is the Lord's way
sunday is not the Lord's way
 
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ozell

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The New Covenant

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

notice what the Lord put in the mind of his people
in this New Covenant

THE LAW
 
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Abishai

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JaumeJ said:
No one here has come to do anything more than share the joy and glory of the Word of Yahweh, God, as they have received it. No one here needs more than the Messiah to defend faith. The concept is the concept of the theology of the witch hunters throughout history.

Again, everyone here claims to be of Yeshua, Jesus Christ. If you are coming here to proselytize, I am afraid you are pouring water on wet ground, and you, being so much in the light should have perceived this.

As for your admission that you are laughing at individual's in place of attempting to share the love you claim you have from Jesus Christ, Yeshua, it is made obvious by your own admission you are altogether too superior to be dealing with the likes of me and my family in the Lamb of God, Yeshua.

Perhaps you would feel more at home in the company of the hierarchy of a wealthy religious group, all very educated in their own history teaching it as the Way of Yeshua. That is apostate, but it sounds right.

Frankly, everyone here would welcome you with open arms if you could simply humble it up and accept the teachings and sharing here in the Forum of those in Yeshua, Jesus Christ, with the same humility as those who are attempting to offer you what they believe they have learned, and when someone seems to be off on a point of belief, in lieu of ridiculing them, show them in Holy Scripture where the error lies. This is not asking too much.
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You and your assumptions! Lol.

Defending faith is not witch hunting. If you think I am trying to change someone's mind, then I am sure you are not reading what I write.
I will continue to laugh at the foolish replies I get to read here. There is nothing superior about me but a sheer lack of understanding on your part. If I am told that I am the inheritor of the land of Israel then I'll surely laugh at it, I don't know about you. Needless to say, your assumptions make me to laugh as well. If you are not considering yourself superior you wouldn't be telling me all this. So it is you who consider yourself superior, not I.

Your all assumptions count nothing but trash to me. So I don't care what you say who am I. Where I feel at home is none of your business. It's better if you mind your own business. You know nothing about me. But well, nice try. ;)

Lastly, I have people hugging me. If you want, I will post a quote sent to me which says that. So you don't need to worry about me on that. As for correcting people by Scriptures I've already done that. If you can't see it, then that's your problem. You just claim yourself to be humble but your posts just say otherwise.
 
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Abishai

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ozell said:
every one of those commandments will require you to do SOMETHING to break them

if you steal you have to plot to steal it and then carry it out

to commit adultery you have to plot and plan and then carry it out

to have other God's before Jesus we have to have something there physically or mentally in God's place which will require work

every one of those commandments require effort on our part to break them

whether we rob a bank or take money out of our father pants pocket when he is sleep requires work
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Now here again you are stuck. Lol.
My question is what work does it involve to KEEP the commandment, Not BREAK.
 
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Abishai

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you said you give your opinion in your opening post did you not?

you reason among yourself in this case.

where is your faith?

Jesus day of rest, day to keep holy and day to gather is on the sabbath which we call saturday

do you beleive the words of Jesus?

o ye of little faith why reason among your self or selves that the day of worship is sunday or the 1st day when it is not.

do yo understand now?
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This is the reason I keep repeating that you quote irrelevant verses. I never reasoned that the day of worship is Sunday. You assumed it.
 
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Abishai said:
You and your assumptions! Lol.

Defending faith is not witch hunting. If you think I am trying to change someone's mind, then I am sure you are not reading what I write.
I will continue to laugh at the foolish replies I get to read here. There is nothing superior about me but a sheer lack of understanding on your part. If I am told that I am the inheritor of the land of Israel then I'll surely laugh at it, I don't know about you. Needless to say, your assumptions make me to laugh as well. If you are not considering yourself superior you wouldn't be telling me all this. So it is you who consider yourself superior, not I.

Your all assumptions count nothing but trash to me. So I don't care what you say who am I. Where I feel at home is none of your business. It's better if you mind your own business. You know nothing about me. But well, nice try. ;)

Lastly, I have people hugging me. If you want, I will post a quote sent to me which says that. So you don't need to worry about me on that. As for correcting people by Scriptures I've already done that. If you can't see it, then that's your problem. You just claim yourself to be humble but your posts just say otherwise.
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I do not recall any instruction to laugh at the apparent ignorance of the brethren, however we are to teach when there appears to be misconception. The attitude to laugh at members of the Body of Yeshua is repugnant to the Spirit.
 
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Abishai said:
Now here again you are stuck. Lol.
My question is what work does it involve to KEEP the commandment, Not BREAK.
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wow!

Romans 7:23-25

King James Version (KJV)


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.



it requires the works of the mind. keeping your mouth nd members in check everyday

it starts in the mind
 
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ozell

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Abishai said:
This is the reason I keep repeating that you quote irrelevant verses. I never reasoned that the day of worship is Sunday. You assumed it.
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no you said it

you said you worship the Lord every day

everyday includes sunday
 
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Abishai

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do you sin now that you are spiritual? have you sinned since you are spiritual?

be careful with your answer i warn you because I got some scriptures that will tear your spirituality up.





who did I judge put the words I said?

laughter is good sometimes

i showed you numerous times but you have a idol in your head called sunday

let me put the verse
Ezekiel 14:2-4

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2 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the Lord will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;






what did I accuse them of?






did not Jesus use the word of God on satan




your opinion because I don't agree with you
this is a old Christians tactic





no you are defending your doctrine, not the word of God.

you said you give your opinion. this eliminates the word of God.



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I put the word of God to speak concerning you.

you confuse humility with knowledge and understanding and the fact that every opinion you give I shut it down with God's word
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Did I ever say that I am without sin?
Your empty threats will not intimidate me. Don't you even try that.
I never have an Idol but you have the idol of Saturday as the sabbath day when no where in the scriptures does it say that Saturday is the sabbath.
No you did not even show me one direct verse in the NT, which commands the gentiles to keep the sabbath in flesh. Don't lie.
If you use the scriptures to accuse someone, then you bring Christ's acts to defend yourself, why can't I do that?

No you have your own strange doctrine. I received from above. I don't care whether you agree or not. I am not here to change you.
I didn't see you shutting me down with God's word here except of quoting an irrelevant verse for me about Idols from Ezekiel. If you really want to shut me down then just show one direct verse in the NT where it commands the gentiles to keep the sabbath. That's it. I'll not ask of you anything more. Can you?
 
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Abishai

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ozell said:
wow!

Romans 7:23-25

King James Version (KJV)


23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.



it requires the works of the mind. keeping your mouth nd members in check everyday

it starts in the mind
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But why don't you tell me what are the works?
 
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The Bible says that God has only made one day holy. How can we keep the other six holy when God has not made those days holy? What does it mean to keep the sabbath holy?
 
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Abishai

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Laodicea said:
The Bible says that God has only made one day holy. How can we keep the other six holy when God has not made those days holy? What does it mean to keep the sabbath holy?
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When did the Lord make the Sabbath holy? If the Lord had made it holy on the seventh day of the creation then why were people before Moses not told about it? There is no mention of the sabbath before Moses, why? Genesis was written by the same person through whom the sabbath was introduced to Israel, why did he then miss writing about the Sabbath?

Yes, that is my question: how do you keep the sabbath holy? Is it by not working on that day? Is that it?

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The Lord is the Lord of every day. Likewise, He is the Lord even of the sabbath day.

I do agree that one day in a week is good to keep it separately for the Lord. But I am against for making it legal of keeping it on a particular day.
 
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LawofLove

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Abishai said:
When did the Lord make the Sabbath holy? If the Lord had made it holy on the seventh day of the creation then why were people before Moses not told about it? There is no mention of the sabbath before Moses, why? Genesis was written by the same person through whom the sabbath was introduced to Israel, why did he then miss writing about the Sabbath?

Yes, that is my question: how do you keep the sabbath holy? Is it by not working on that day? Is that it?

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The Lord is the Lord of every day. Likewise, He is the Lord even of the sabbath day.

I do agree that one day in a week is good to keep it separately for the Lord. But I am against for making it legal of keeping it on a particular day.
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Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
 
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Abishai said:
When did the Lord make the Sabbath holy? If the Lord had made it holy on the seventh day of the creation then why were people before Moses not told about it? There is no mention of the sabbath before Moses, why? Genesis was written by the same person through whom the sabbath was introduced to Israel, why did he then miss writing about the Sabbath?

Yes, that is my question: how do you keep the sabbath holy? Is it by not working on that day? Is that it?

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The Lord is the Lord of every day. Likewise, He is the Lord even of the sabbath day.

I do agree that one day in a week is good to keep it separately for the Lord. But I am against for making it legal of keeping it on a particular day.
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The Bible says God blessed the 7th Day and made it holy. He did not bless any other day. To keep another day holy other than the sabbath and to not keep the 7th day holy is to have that which is holy as common and that which is common as holy.
 
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Abishai

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JaumeJ said:
I do not recall any instruction to laugh at the apparent ignorance of the brethren, however we are to teach when there appears to be misconception. The attitude to laugh at members of the Body of Yeshua is repugnant to the Spirit.
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There is no instruction at what you should laugh at all. I laugh when they lie, try to avoid answering the questions by giving vague or irrelevant answers. So it is better for them not to do that. I do not laugh at the members of the body of Christ but at their foolish answers without understanding the question (or do they pretend they haven't understood) and also at their baseless accusations by posting scriptures out of context. According to their understanding of the scriptures they think that I am condemned and try to fit me as one accused. I just laugh at them.
 
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Never should you enter upon a discussion, where so much is at stake, relying upon your aptness to handle strong arguments. If it cannot be well avoided, enter the conflict, but enter upon it with firm trust in God, and in the spirit of humility, in the spirit of Jesus, who has bidden you learn of Him who is meek and lowly in heart.If the interest steadily increases, and the people move understandingly, not from impulse, but from principle, the interest is much more healthy and durable than it is where a great excitement and interest are created suddenly, and the feelings are excited by listening to a debate, a sharp contest on both sides of the question, for and against the truth. Fierce opposition is thus created, positions are taken, and rapid decisions made. A feverish state of things is the result. Calm consideration and judgment are wanting. Let this excitement subside, or let reaction take place by indiscreet management, and the interest can never be raised again. The feelings and sympathies of the people were stirred, but their consciences were not convicted, their hearts were not broken and humbled before God.(EV 146)
 
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The Sabbath is a sign of 3 things

Creation
Exodus 20:11 KJV
(11) for in six days the lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Ephesians 2:10 KJV
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Sanctification
Exodus 31:13 KJV
(13) speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that i am the lord that doth sanctify you.
1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV
(2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


Redemption
Deuteronomy 5:15 KJV
(15) and remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the lord thy god brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the lord thy god commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day.
Romans 3:24 KJV
(24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 
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LawofLove

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How to enjoy the Sabbath?

Isaiah 58:13-14 Set aside week-day pleasures and pursuits
Matthew 12:11-12 Focus on doing good for others
Mark 2:27 God made Sabbath for man not man for the Sabbath
Luke 14:1-5 What Jesus taught about Sabbath-keeping
 
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Abishai

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Laodicea said:
The Bible says God blessed the 7th Day and made it holy. He did not bless any other day. To keep another day holy other than the sabbath and to not keep the 7th day holy is to have that which is holy as common and that which is common as holy.
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Yes, but when did He say that He has made the sabbath holy? I don't find that verse in the NT that He has made the Sabbath holy and we have to keep it.
 
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