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Are you saying that the Law does not apply to a Christian? About that apology, you just stated that the Law is not in effect for a Christian.

I believe that the apology should come form you.
I have a question. How did you get so many reputation points? It has puzzled me for some time
 

john832

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About that apology, perhaps the shoe might be on the other foot.
 
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About that apology, perhaps the shoe might be on the other foot.
You know normally I keep going in discussion, even when the discussion is past its usefulness. But I have to say, some of your comments are so weak, I don't feel the need here. There can be no stimulating discussion, sorry
 

KohenMatt

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I have a question. How did you get so many reputation points? It has puzzled me for some time
Because there are many here who agree with what he says, even if you do not.

Regardless, that is a petty, unnecessary, and fruitless jab at him.

Relax, and keep the debate about the topic, not about the person.
 
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Because there are many here who agree with what he says, even if you do not.

Regardless, that is a petty, unnecessary, and fruitless jab at him.

Relax, and keep the debate about the topic, not about the person.
I am quite relaxed. But some of his comments in response to what I wrote were-to put it mildly ridiculous
 

KohenMatt

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I am quite relaxed. But some of his comments in response to what I wrote were-to put it mildly ridiculous
Maybe. But again, keep your comments related to the post, not the person.
 
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To the OP Questions......"Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Romans 14:5-8

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

We are not to judge other Christians in this regard. If God calls a man to rest on the Sabbath he will rest. If God does not call a man to rest on the Sabbath he won't. But all of us live to the Lord who have the name of Christian.
[HR][/HR] "what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep"

The purpose of Sabbath is to cease from ones own works as God ceased from His own works on the 7th day. He made it sacred. The Sabbath is not hard to keep if a man is truly called inwardly from God to rest therein.

It is when a man trying to please God without being called into His rest inwardly goes about to keep it mentally by ordinance (a work) that He finds no rest, the man must be called.
[HR][/HR]To my brothers and sisters in discussion about other things not related to the OP here.......Please forgive me for the interruption as i felt it needful to offer a response here.
 

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To the OP Questions......"Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Romans 14:5-8

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

We are not to judge other Christians in this regard. If God calls a man to rest on the Sabbath he will rest. If God does not call a man to rest on the Sabbath he won't. But all of us live to the Lord who have the name of Christian.
[HR][/HR] "what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep"

The purpose of Sabbath is to cease from ones own works as God ceased from His own works on the 7th day. He made it sacred. The Sabbath is not hard to keep if a man is truly called inwardly from God to rest therein.

It is when a man trying to please God without being called into His rest inwardly goes about to keep it mentally by ordinance (a work) that He finds no rest, the man must be called.
[HR][/HR]To my brothers and sisters in discussion about other things not related to the OP here.......Please forgive me for the interruption as i felt it needful to offer a response here.
If we look at the context here, we see that it is speaking to this...

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Regarding a day when one either eats or doesn't eat is a reference to specific fasts. The Pharisees fasted on Monday and Thursday, EVERY Monday and EVERY Thursday and just as circumcision (Acts 15), they insisted that it was necessary to be saved. Seems Paul had to battle these teachings quite a bit in the early New Testament church. Gnosticism and Asceticism were problems. In Col 2:23 John Gill has this note...

and neglecting of the body; by fastings and watchings, whereby they seemed to be very religious and devout, holy and mortified persons, who kept under their bodies, subdued their unruly appetites, and fulfilled not the lusts of the flesh: but then this was only a show of wisdom and godliness; there was no truth nor reality in these things; they were only a mere form, an outside show, a mere pretence; there was no true devotion nor religion in them: and so
There were those who insisted on fastings to show how righteous they were in spite of the instruction Christ gave...

Mat 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
Mat 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Paul was correcting the Roman church here for criticizing (judging) members for their fasting practices or lack there of.
 

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"what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep"

The purpose of Sabbath is to cease from ones own works as God ceased from His own works on the 7th day. He made it sacred. The Sabbath is not hard to keep if a man is truly called inwardly from God to rest therein.

It is when a man trying to please God without being called into His rest inwardly goes about to keep it mentally by ordinance (a work) that He finds no rest, the man must be called.
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I agree. The Sabbath as Biblically instructed has never been hard for me to keep.

And if I break the Sabbath in some way, what then? Repent, thank God for forgiveness and mercy, move on and do better next week.
 

john832

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I agree. The Sabbath as Biblically instructed has never been hard for me to keep.

And if I break the Sabbath in some way, what then? Repent, thank God for forgiveness and mercy, move on and do better next week.
I don't know why this is so hard for some to get. God looks at the heart. When we repent and ask for forgiveness and resolve to obey, the ledger is wiped clean. The page with the sin on it is as white as snow.
 

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I don't know why this is so hard for some to get. God looks at the heart. When we repent and ask for forgiveness and resolve to obey, the ledger is wiped clean. The page with the sin on it is as white as snow.
And then we obey God again, even if we fail again.
 

john832

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And then we obey God again, even if we fail again.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
 
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I agree. The Sabbath as Biblically instructed has never been hard for me to keep.

And if I break the Sabbath in some way, what then? Repent, thank God for forgiveness and mercy, move on and do better next week.
Live and learn brother Matt, God's love keep you always friend, in Christ Jesus :)
 
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So the non changing God changed? Aaai chiwawa
Tell me why did the LORD in the old testament give 10 commandments to be followed and then in the new testament give two?

its not that his standard changed but IMO they could only purify the flesh and they were more caring about keeping the rules and regulations more than they cared about the person and that is also why they watched to see if JESUS on the sabbath would heal the man with a withered hand.

So what i am saying is the LORD didn't change but mans understanding of the law was incorrect.
The law was not given to gain victory over sin it was to show that we had no hope of meeting the standard that GOD would accept.
 

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Tell me why did the LORD in the old testament give 10 commandments to be followed and then in the new testament give two?

its not that his standard changed but IMO they could only purify the flesh and they were more caring about keeping the rules and regulations more than they cared about the person and that is also why they watched to see if JESUS on the sabbath would heal the man with a withered hand.

So what i am saying is the LORD didn't change but mans understanding of the law was incorrect.
The law was not given to gain victory over sin it was to show that we had no hope of meeting the standard that GOD would accept.
Did he only "give" 2, or did he re-emphasize the 2 that all of the others make up?
 
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The Two are the Summary of the Ten...

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." - NKJV

You don't really believe that the summation of a subject does away with all the points in it do you? The Diaglott has this...

Rom 13:9 That for: Not thou shalt commit adultery. Not thou shalt commit murder. Not thou shalt steal. Not thou shalt covet; and if any other commandment, in this the word it is brought under one head, in this: Thou shalt love the neighbor of thee as thyself.

Here is an outline for you...

LOVE

I) Love God

A) Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

B) Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

C) Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

D) Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

II) Love Your Neighbor

A) Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

B) Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

C) Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

D) Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

E) Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

F) Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Its true that the two are a summery of the ten its just that GOD will only accept perfection and when the law was given JESUS had not come to earth in the flesh so then they would have to keep the law without help from JESUS and since we know that only JESUS could keep the law perfectly they would never be able to make the conscious right and no flesh can be justified in the sight of GOD by the deeds of the law.



Romans 3:20
king james version(kjv)

20.)Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.