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-no this is incorrect statement, gentiles wanted and where preached to on the sabbath days.
Notice which day Paul and Barnabas used for preaching to Gentiles:
(1) Acts 13:14-15, 42-44: “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”
Then Paul stood up, and spoke, preaching Christ to them.
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,
[the Gentiles] besought that these words might be preached to them [the next sabbath].”
Now since Paul was preaching “the grace of God” (verse 43), here was his opportunity
to straighten out these Gentiles, and explain that the Sabbath was done away.
Why should he wait a whole week, in order to preach to the Gentiles on the next Sabbath?
If the day had now been changed to Sunday, why did not Paul tell them they would not have
to wait a week, but the very next day, Sunday, was the proper day for this service?
But notice what Paul did.
“And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”
Here Paul waited a whole week, passing up a Sunday, in order
to preach to the Gentiles on the Sabbath day.
Gentiles Met on Sabbath
2) Acts 15:1-2, 14-21: Study this whole passage carefully.
Certain men had come down from Judaea to Antioch, teaching that the Gentile converts
there must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved.
Quite a dissension arose between them and Paul and Barnabas.
So it was decided Paul and Barnabas should go to Jerusalem to
the apostles and elders about the question.
At the conference at Jerusalem, James gave the decision.
“Wherefore my sentence is,” he pronounced (verses 19-20), “
… that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols,
and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.”
He did not say they should not keep the Ten Commandments. The Ten
Commandments were not in question—but only the ritual law of circumcision,
which was an altogether different law. He merely mentioned four prohibitions,
and otherwise they did not need to observe the law of Moses.
But why WRITE this sentence to them? Note it!
“For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him,
being read in the synagogues every sabbath day” (verse 21).
The law of Moses—the first five books of the Bible—was being taught in
the synagogues every Sabbath day. The apostles were writing only these decrees,
because Gentile converts were going to church on the Sabbath day.
They had heard God’s law read and expounded every Sabbath in the synagogues
and did not need further instructions. It shows that the Gentile converts
had started keeping the Sabbath day, and went to church on that day!
And the apostles’ letter did not reprove them for this Sabbath-keeping.
This is very significant, since Gentiles had never kept the Sabbath.
Therefore it is something these Gentiles had started doing after they were
converted under the teaching of Paul and Barnabas!
Notice which day Paul and Barnabas used for preaching to Gentiles:
(1) Acts 13:14-15, 42-44: “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”
Then Paul stood up, and spoke, preaching Christ to them.
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,
[the Gentiles] besought that these words might be preached to them [the next sabbath].”
Now since Paul was preaching “the grace of God” (verse 43), here was his opportunity
to straighten out these Gentiles, and explain that the Sabbath was done away.
Why should he wait a whole week, in order to preach to the Gentiles on the next Sabbath?
If the day had now been changed to Sunday, why did not Paul tell them they would not have
to wait a week, but the very next day, Sunday, was the proper day for this service?
But notice what Paul did.
“And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”
Here Paul waited a whole week, passing up a Sunday, in order
to preach to the Gentiles on the Sabbath day.
Gentiles Met on Sabbath
2) Acts 15:1-2, 14-21: Study this whole passage carefully.
Certain men had come down from Judaea to Antioch, teaching that the Gentile converts
there must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved.
Quite a dissension arose between them and Paul and Barnabas.
So it was decided Paul and Barnabas should go to Jerusalem to
the apostles and elders about the question.
At the conference at Jerusalem, James gave the decision.
“Wherefore my sentence is,” he pronounced (verses 19-20), “
… that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols,
and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.”
He did not say they should not keep the Ten Commandments. The Ten
Commandments were not in question—but only the ritual law of circumcision,
which was an altogether different law. He merely mentioned four prohibitions,
and otherwise they did not need to observe the law of Moses.
But why WRITE this sentence to them? Note it!
“For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him,
being read in the synagogues every sabbath day” (verse 21).
The law of Moses—the first five books of the Bible—was being taught in
the synagogues every Sabbath day. The apostles were writing only these decrees,
because Gentile converts were going to church on the Sabbath day.
They had heard God’s law read and expounded every Sabbath in the synagogues
and did not need further instructions. It shows that the Gentile converts
had started keeping the Sabbath day, and went to church on that day!
And the apostles’ letter did not reprove them for this Sabbath-keeping.
This is very significant, since Gentiles had never kept the Sabbath.
Therefore it is something these Gentiles had started doing after they were
converted under the teaching of Paul and Barnabas!
also a Sabbath in Philippi
3) Acts 16:12-15: Here we find Paul and Silas at Philippi. And “we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made, and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened
.… And … she was baptized .…”
Here again Paul and his companions waited until the Sabbath, and then went to a place of worship, and preached, and this woman, probably a Gentile, was converted. The passage indicates it was the custom to meet there on the Sabbath, and that it was custom for Paul and his companions to go to a place of prayer and worship when the Sabbath day came.
Paul Worked Weekdays, and Kept the SABBATH
4) Acts 18:1-11: “After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named Aquila … with his wife Priscilla … and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.”
If we could find one text in the New Testament giving as strong authority for Sunday observance as this one does for Sabbath-keeping, we should certainly have Bible authority for it! Here Paul worked weekdays, but went to church and taught Gentiles as well as Jews every Sabbath.
Now the commandment says: “Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work,” just as much as it says “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” There is just as much command to work six days as there is to rest the seventh. And so if the day had been changed, Paul would have had to work Sabbaths, in order to go to church and preach every Sunday. But here he worked weekdays and went to church and preached every Sabbath—not just on one particular occasion—it says every Sabbath.
He preached Christ and the gospel of the Kingdom. And when the Jews became offended and blasphemed, he turned away from the Jews altogether, and from then on preached to Gentiles only (verse 6), and he continued there a year and six months (verse 11)—working weekdays—preaching to Gentiles ONLY—every Sabbath!
To these Gentile-born at Corinth, Paul commanded: “Be ye followers of me,
even as I also am of Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1).
And Paul “as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned
with them out of the scriptures” (Acts 17:2).
It was his manner, his custom, as we have seen by ample evidence showing
a total of 84 different Sabbaths Paul is shown specifically to have kept.
Did he follow Jesus in this? Why, certainly! Jesus, “as his custom was …
went into the synagogue on the sabbath day …” (Luke 4:16).
It was Jesus’ custom. Paul followed Him, and commanded the Gentile converts
to follow him, even as he followed Christ. ▪
3) Acts 16:12-15: Here we find Paul and Silas at Philippi. And “we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made, and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened
.… And … she was baptized .…”
Here again Paul and his companions waited until the Sabbath, and then went to a place of worship, and preached, and this woman, probably a Gentile, was converted. The passage indicates it was the custom to meet there on the Sabbath, and that it was custom for Paul and his companions to go to a place of prayer and worship when the Sabbath day came.
Paul Worked Weekdays, and Kept the SABBATH
4) Acts 18:1-11: “After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named Aquila … with his wife Priscilla … and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.”
If we could find one text in the New Testament giving as strong authority for Sunday observance as this one does for Sabbath-keeping, we should certainly have Bible authority for it! Here Paul worked weekdays, but went to church and taught Gentiles as well as Jews every Sabbath.
Now the commandment says: “Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work,” just as much as it says “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” There is just as much command to work six days as there is to rest the seventh. And so if the day had been changed, Paul would have had to work Sabbaths, in order to go to church and preach every Sunday. But here he worked weekdays and went to church and preached every Sabbath—not just on one particular occasion—it says every Sabbath.
He preached Christ and the gospel of the Kingdom. And when the Jews became offended and blasphemed, he turned away from the Jews altogether, and from then on preached to Gentiles only (verse 6), and he continued there a year and six months (verse 11)—working weekdays—preaching to Gentiles ONLY—every Sabbath!
To these Gentile-born at Corinth, Paul commanded: “Be ye followers of me,
even as I also am of Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1).
And Paul “as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned
with them out of the scriptures” (Acts 17:2).
It was his manner, his custom, as we have seen by ample evidence showing
a total of 84 different Sabbaths Paul is shown specifically to have kept.
Did he follow Jesus in this? Why, certainly! Jesus, “as his custom was …
went into the synagogue on the sabbath day …” (Luke 4:16).
It was Jesus’ custom. Paul followed Him, and commanded the Gentile converts
to follow him, even as he followed Christ. ▪
not just paul, noting as well that paul learned/was taught by revelation of yahshua hamashiach/ AND had been 'perfect' in TORAH before that as far as anyone could claim in knowing and living according to TORAH,
noting as he himself did that his zeal was without knowledge of the truth, in ignorance, yet zeal for yahweh.
but , not just paul, but all the gentiles who were called 'righteous' or otherwise joined with the people of the book
all obeyed the commandments knowing that they needed to to be yahweh's people. working six days and resting on the seventh was absolutely required and expected, for Jews and for anyone (all gentiles included) who were with them.
since it is joy and life and hope and resurrection and glorious and right and righteous to abide with yahweh in yahshua with /in union/ with all ekklesia everywhere for all time,
honoring yahweh , abiding with him, honoring and counting as better than gold every WORD that proceeds from yahweh's mouth
is gloriously wondrously complete and beautiful in yahshua hamashiach's faithfulness as his WORD abides in ekklesia who are born again of him, set apart in and for him, abiding in him.
there is no such dissension (any kind of idolatry nor willful disobedience) in his body, but
rather in those who have gone out from him.
noting as he himself did that his zeal was without knowledge of the truth, in ignorance, yet zeal for yahweh.
but , not just paul, but all the gentiles who were called 'righteous' or otherwise joined with the people of the book
all obeyed the commandments knowing that they needed to to be yahweh's people. working six days and resting on the seventh was absolutely required and expected, for Jews and for anyone (all gentiles included) who were with them.
since it is joy and life and hope and resurrection and glorious and right and righteous to abide with yahweh in yahshua with /in union/ with all ekklesia everywhere for all time,
honoring yahweh , abiding with him, honoring and counting as better than gold every WORD that proceeds from yahweh's mouth
is gloriously wondrously complete and beautiful in yahshua hamashiach's faithfulness as his WORD abides in ekklesia who are born again of him, set apart in and for him, abiding in him.
there is no such dissension (any kind of idolatry nor willful disobedience) in his body, but
rather in those who have gone out from him.
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I said something similar to this on another post.
Just to also add on this in regards to Sabbath observance on the 7th day, in Exodus 31 it states that the Sabbath day, as in the 7th day of the week it is to be observed through all generations twice and forever once. So depending on the wording technically God says to observe the Sabbath forever 3 times. Now also along with that in the passage God states that the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people. God wants His people set apart from the world, meaning His people are to be different from the world. And one of the big ways to tell apart from His people and the nations is the Sabbath.
Just to also add on this in regards to Sabbath observance on the 7th day, in Exodus 31 it states that the Sabbath day, as in the 7th day of the week it is to be observed through all generations twice and forever once. So depending on the wording technically God says to observe the Sabbath forever 3 times. Now also along with that in the passage God states that the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people. God wants His people set apart from the world, meaning His people are to be different from the world. And one of the big ways to tell apart from His people and the nations is the Sabbath.
-really, Zechariah 14 is not the millennium.?
Christ here is standing on Jerusalem again
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem
on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and
toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.
6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7But it shall be one day which shall be known to theLord, not day, nor night:
but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea:
in summer and in winter shall it be.
[It refers in prophetic terms to the present age.] ?
at evening time it shall be light?
mabe you should go look see whats outside sometime,
mabe our current leaders should just step into the light to see also
11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction;
but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
um...safely?
oh thats right our president says there ok, there safe
Christ here is standing on Jerusalem again
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem
on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and
toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.
6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7But it shall be one day which shall be known to theLord, not day, nor night:
but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem;
half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea:
in summer and in winter shall it be.
[It refers in prophetic terms to the present age.] ?
at evening time it shall be light?
mabe you should go look see whats outside sometime,
mabe our current leaders should just step into the light to see also
11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction;
but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
um...safely?
oh thats right our president says there ok, there safe
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Those who try and follow the letter, rather being led of the Holy Spirit into truth have unhappy lives, they never know what it is to enter into the relationship available with Jesus. It is a cold, unemotional faith, and that is reflected in how they treat others
They preach the letter of the law without understanding the heart of it
They preach the letter of the law without understanding the heart of it
Sometimes Revelation 1:10 is used as Bible authority for calling Sunday “the Lord’s day.”
It says: “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice .…”
But this does not say the “first day of the week,” or “Sunday,” is the “day” here called “the Lord’s day.”
As a matter of fact, it is not speaking of any day of the week at all, but of “the day of the Lord”
—the time of the coming plagues, climaxing in the coming of Christ, and the Millennium.
This is the theme of the Revelation. But, if one wants to argue, and insist upon this text applying
to some definite day of the week,he shall have to look elsewhere to see which day,
the Bible calls the Lord’s day.
For this text does not designate any day of the week.
It says: “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice .…”
But this does not say the “first day of the week,” or “Sunday,” is the “day” here called “the Lord’s day.”
As a matter of fact, it is not speaking of any day of the week at all, but of “the day of the Lord”
—the time of the coming plagues, climaxing in the coming of Christ, and the Millennium.
This is the theme of the Revelation. But, if one wants to argue, and insist upon this text applying
to some definite day of the week,he shall have to look elsewhere to see which day,
the Bible calls the Lord’s day.
For this text does not designate any day of the week.
The heart of the letter of the law is love. Love is not a feeling, faith is not a feeling. Christ had to put aside His feelings and do what was right.
Abraham couldn't trust his feelings when God asked him to sacrifice his son Issac, Abraham had to trust the word of God.
At times we will need to choose between following our feelings or following the sure word of God. Feelings are not wrong they just need to be controlled by principles, controlled by the laws of love. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself (The 10 commandments).
Abraham couldn't trust his feelings when God asked him to sacrifice his son Issac, Abraham had to trust the word of God.
At times we will need to choose between following our feelings or following the sure word of God. Feelings are not wrong they just need to be controlled by principles, controlled by the laws of love. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself (The 10 commandments).
If you have to look to the literal words of the Ten Commandments for guidance you are not loving others. For love fulfils the law. The law God requires you to keep is within you, it is internal to you, not external. I have a much better understanding now of Seventh Day Adventists, having come to know many and attending some of their church services.
I find it hard to comprehend how people who go to church and earnestly speak of obeying The Ten Commandments can then break many of those Commandments without conscience. It comes down in my view to understanding what the term born again truly entails
I find it hard to comprehend how people who go to church and earnestly speak of obeying The Ten Commandments can then break many of those Commandments without conscience. It comes down in my view to understanding what the term born again truly entails
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there's 56 p3opl3 you kno2 who would have you die in your sin without ever finding out the truth.
if you were abiding in yahshua hamashiach and yahweh's grace you would be grateful, not hurt, that someone spoke the truth to you now, before you die, instead of lying to you like the others who either just don't care or both don't know and don't care.
your error is so basic, but it is potentially serious - i don't know how deep or how serious - maybe little, maybe much, but still error.
it is better if it is from senility than if it is from willful disobedience or willful rebellion against yahweh, so that would be in your favor.
also, it will be potentially very very hard if you have put your trust in someone who has lied to you for a long long long time. (which is the current state of a multitude of deceived people throughout the world, as it is written; and includes many who are in error on the internet).
perhaps yahweh will grant you mercy, and not harden your heart. that is the hope and prayer in yahshua.
if you were abiding in yahshua hamashiach and yahweh's grace you would be grateful, not hurt, that someone spoke the truth to you now, before you die, instead of lying to you like the others who either just don't care or both don't know and don't care.
your error is so basic, but it is potentially serious - i don't know how deep or how serious - maybe little, maybe much, but still error.
it is better if it is from senility than if it is from willful disobedience or willful rebellion against yahweh, so that would be in your favor.
also, it will be potentially very very hard if you have put your trust in someone who has lied to you for a long long long time. (which is the current state of a multitude of deceived people throughout the world, as it is written; and includes many who are in error on the internet).
perhaps yahweh will grant you mercy, and not harden your heart. that is the hope and prayer in yahshua.
The law is spiritual and internal. True
Trying to keep it externally will result in the outward state the Pharisees ended in.
Love does fulfil the law i agree.
why do we have a Bible? Why do we have History and laws?
All good comes from the lord i can't do anything good without the Lord first putting it in me, but i need to make choices in life.
1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: and "if possible, they shall deceive the very elect" Mat 24:24. What should i do when i feel like God is telling me to do someone like steal? It is an internal feeling that i can justify at the time. But the Law states that i should not Steal. I would choose the word of God because God does not contradict His own words. Some people do feel impressed to do things and think it is God when it is the devil.
The law is spiritual and Jesus stated this in Mat_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
For what purpose was the law given?
Trying to keep it externally will result in the outward state the Pharisees ended in.
Love does fulfil the law i agree.
why do we have a Bible? Why do we have History and laws?
All good comes from the lord i can't do anything good without the Lord first putting it in me, but i need to make choices in life.
1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: and "if possible, they shall deceive the very elect" Mat 24:24. What should i do when i feel like God is telling me to do someone like steal? It is an internal feeling that i can justify at the time. But the Law states that i should not Steal. I would choose the word of God because God does not contradict His own words. Some people do feel impressed to do things and think it is God when it is the devil.
The law is spiritual and Jesus stated this in Mat_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
For what purpose was the law given?
Sabbath is hard to keep? It's hard to rest? What? Just rest. That's all Sabbath means. Resting is, in fact, the opposite of hard.
What Does the Bible Say About The Sabbath Is Forever?
https://www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/the-sabbath-part-2-eternal-forever.html
The Sabbath is a mark between the Father and his people forever. If you do not keep the Sabbath, you will not be wearing his mark. Based on the words of Revelation, those with His "seal" are the ones who will be saved. What is that seal, do you suppose?
It really boils down to what you believe. Do you believe that your god tells the truth when he uses the word "forever," or do you think he changed his mind, and forever became until he said so? Since he declares the end from the beginning, he would have known that he was speaking an untruth. My god doesn't lie. How about yours?
If you felt God was telling you to steal, you would have been blinded by the prince of this world. I have never remotely entertained such a thought
Incidentally, before I had ever read the literal words of the Ten Commandments, or the beatitudes, I had far more conscience of my sin, than many it seems do today who have read the literal words of the Ten Commandments.
Incidentally, before I had ever read the literal words of the Ten Commandments, or the beatitudes, I had far more conscience of my sin, than many it seems do today who have read the literal words of the Ten Commandments.
I believe it is a combination of both the word and the Holy Spirit, The Spirit guilds me into all truth and brings the word back to my mind at times. But you didn't answer my question? Why did God preserve the Letter of the Word if He could just put it in us or make us know all truth without it? Why should i read the Word?