Look at my signature and you will know how to react. Here is a fact (whether you agree or not) Salvation came to the Jews before the Gentiles
Funnily enough it did not When salvation came through Abraham it came to his family tribe, many of whom were Gentiles.
When 'Israel' were redeemed from Egypt those who entered into the covenant at Sinai included a 'mixed multitude' (Exodus 12.38). They were thus composed of both native Israelites and Gentiles.
'The Jews' in Jesus day were composed of both Jews and Gentiles. The Edomites had been forced to become Jews, Gentiles in 'Galilee of the Gentiles' had been forced to become Jews. Thus when Jesus preached in Galilee He preached to both Jews and Gentiles. In fact He also conducted a mission in Gentile territory (Mark 7.31). It is more correct to say that the Gospel went first to those who were (at least theoretically) in the covenant.
When Jesus was on earth He offered salvation to both Jews and Gentiles.
true, but a most unorthodox one.
salvation came through annulling the division between the Jews and Gentiles
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So you think the Jews were all saved? Salvation came through ignoring the difference between Jews and Gentiles. Many Jews wanted nothing of it. Many Gentiles welcomed the Messiah and His 'light to the Gentiles'.
The Jews followed the law as it was meant to be followed,
Is this a joke? Will you tell Jesus that or shall I?
same as Paul did being of the tribe of Benjamin.
Yes it is recorded. 'But Saul yet breathing threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the LORD.' At least the threatening was not forbidden in the ten commandments unless you accept Jesus version of them.
And after he was converted he very much relaxed his Jewishness. He refused to let Titus be circumcised. He ate with Gentiles when Peter would not AND PETER WAS AT FAULT. It was only when he was in Jerusalem that he conformed. 'To the Jew I became as a Jew, to the Greek I became as a Greek.' I'm not sure the Jews would have approved.
Now Paul was falsely accused of preaching against the law by the Jews who really didn't know the spiritual truth of the law as God meant it to be from the beginning.
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To be fair to the Jews he did preach against the idea that Jews could be saved by observing the covenant including the Law. And that was what most Jews believed. What 'God meant from the beginning' is very much up for debate. Even the spiritual among them saw it their way.
In reality the accusers of people that keep the law are the lawless ones for they demand to be without the law for the sake of salvation.
No they demand to be under the law of Christ, a very different thing. But it is true that the Law of Moses cannot save, and that much of it has been abrogated. But Christians have 'died to the Law through the body of Christ that they might be married to another' (Rom 7.1-6). Haven't you?
The ones that keep the law without faith for justification are also lawless.
I am not sure how you can keep the Law and be lawless. That is a contradiction in terms. But certainly our justification is not by keeping the Law. If it was we would have failed before we started.
Both are totally missing the point and are doing exactly what God doesn't want. And both call themselves the church?
You have a personal line to God? Or are you just arrogant? Paul tells us that we have 'died to the Law'. Does that mean nothing? He says we are no longer under the Law. Does that mean nothing? He says that the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ so that we might be accounted righteous by faith so that we are no longer under our tutor. Does that mean nothing? If I remember rightly it was God Who called us the church. We call ourselves sinners saved by grace without works. Sound familiar?
Summary; If we truly believe in Christ, arguing about the legality of the law is re-establishing the division Jesus came destroy.
But that is precisely what you have been doing. 'And both call themselves the church?' Isn't that a judgment? 'In reality the accusers of people that keep the law are the lawless ones for they demand to be without the law for the sake of salvation.' Isn't that a judgment?.
Judging one another (as we see on this thread over and over) for keeping the law, or not keeping it, divides.
I do not see citing Scripture to demonstrate a false position as judging anyone. It is proclaiming truth.
My opinion is that those that spiritually understand the truth of the law are the ones that are attempting to unite.
You mean those who believe as you do are the only ones attempting to unite, by condemning everyone else as you did?
Why is the world so corrupt? Is modern religion today demanding a lawless world that the Bible calls the "falling away" in the last days? "AWAKE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS!!"
Not a lawless world. Just a world which obeys the law of Christ.
We are to fight against the controversy, and if the truth is not adhered to, walk away.
Do you mean your truth? lol Bye !!!
Gentiles are actually classified in the Word as Ephraim, the 10 tribes of the north scattered throughout the world. Here is more prophecy.
Ezekiel 37:16-19
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
But the hand of Ephraim includes the tribes of Israel his fellows. How does that refer to Gentiles? This prophecy was fulfilled in the return from Exile.
If we are being judged for eating certain things or observing religious festivals, the new moons or a Sabbath day, that doesn't mean we are supposed to stop observation just because we are falsely accused.
I have certainly never condemned anyone for doing these things. What I condemn is judging others who do not do these things.
That's a tactic of Satan, and we are not to succumb to his devices to divide.
True but it goes both ways.
If a person thinks it's wrong to observe the Sabbath (whether a feast Sabbath or a weekly Sabbath) then we should understand how to accept those that do, and fulfill what Jesus started.
I'm not sure anyone thinks it is wrong for someone to observe the Sabbath if they want to. What we object to are those who think it makes them superior Christians showing a lack of Christian humility.
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you." Stop adding to the division!
On this thread it has been the Sabbatarians who have been causing the division.
Quoting Paul after He was falsely judged................
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"[/SUP]Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy,so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" (Acts 24:10-14)
LOL are you trying to cause division?
