Sabbath

[john832]

Lev 23 assumes the month begins on a Sabbath.

Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight,is a Passover offering to the Lord. 23:6 Then on the fifteenth day of the same monthwill be the festival of unleavened bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 23:7 On the first day there will be a holy assembly for you; you must not do any regular work.

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23:24 “Tell the Israelites, ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you must have a complete rest, a memorial announced by loud horn blasts, a holy assembly. 23:25 You must not do any regular work, butyou must present a gift to the Lord.’”

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23:35 On the first day is a holy assembly; you must do no regular work. 23:36 For seven days you must present a gift to the Lord. On the eighth day there is to be a holy assembly for you, and you must present a gift to the Lord. It is a solemn assembly day;you must not do any regular work.

Have you actually read Lev 23? There is only ONE Sabbath that occurs on the first day of only ONE month, that is the Feast of Trumpets and it occurs one time a year and is an annual Sabbath. These are also called high days...

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Sabbath being referred to here is the First Day of Unleavened Bread and it occurs on the fifteenth day of the first month.

The weekly Sabbath is always on the seventh day of the week...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[JimmieD]

It assumes no such thing.

Sure it does.

The Feast Days are Sabbaths but are not the weekly Sabbath. There is a difference. The Feast Days occur on certain days of certain months. The weekly Sabbath occurs on the seventh day of the week, EVERY WEEK.

There's not a need to do this given the assumption that the month began with a Sabbath. There is no need to have "shifting" Sabbaths that change which day of the week they occur on from year to year. The calendar you use has Sabbaths that rove around. There is no need to do this given the assumption that in the Ancient Israelite system the month began with a Sabbath; which also explains why the festival calendar felt no need to distinguish between regular Sabbaths and festival Sabbaths. There was no difference and the text of Lev 23 makes no such distinction.

You have no trouble understanding that Sunday, the first day of the week, occurs every week on the first day of the week, why is it difficult to understand that the Sabbath occurs every week on the seventh day of the week?

Why is it difficult for you to understand that the calendar you use is not the same as the one the earliest Israelites were using.

 

[john832]

Sure it does.



There's not a need to do this given the assumption that the month began with a Sabbath. There is no need to have "shifting" Sabbaths that change which day of the week they occur on from year to year. The calendar you use has Sabbaths that rove around. There is no need to do this given the assumption that in the Ancient Israelite system the month began with a Sabbath; which also explains why the festival calendar felt no need to distinguish between regular Sabbaths and festival Sabbaths. There was no difference and the text of Lev 23 makes no such distinction.



Why is it difficult for you to understand that the calendar you use is not the same as the one the earliest Israelites were using.

The whole problem is that you are assuming the months began with a Sabbath and that is the weekly Sabbath.

The months do not begin with a Sabbath, they begin with a New Moon. The word month is derived from the word moon.

Secondly, there is a weekly Sabbath that falls every seventh day and then there are annual Sabbaths, Feast Days, that fall on certain days of certain months.

I'll bet you have no trouble understanding that Sunday comes every first day of the week but xmas and Ishtar can fall on any day of the week. Xmas being on the 25th of the twelfth month and Ishtar being related to the vernal equinox. Oops, Ishtar is always on a Sunday, I typed before I thought.

Do months on the Gregorian calendar begin with a Sunday or a holiday?

 

[JimmieD]

The whole problem is that you are assuming the months began with a Sabbath and that is the weekly Sabbath.

That's what Lev 23 assumes.

The months do not begin with a Sabbath, they begin with a New Moon.

And Lev 23 is pretty clear that the month began with a Sabbath.

Secondly, there is a weekly Sabbath that falls every seventh day and then there are annual Sabbaths, Feast Days, that fall on certain days of certain months.

This only happens because the Israelite calendar changed (and for good reason). There is no distinction between feast Sabbaths and weekly Sabbath in Lev 23 - there is no distinction because they were one and the same. The distinction only became necessary because the calendar changed.

I'll bet you have no trouble understanding that Sunday comes every first day of the week but xmas and Ishtar can fall on any day of the week. Xmas being on the 25th of the twelfth month and Ishtar being related to the vernal equinox. Oops, Ishtar is always on a Sunday, I typed before I thought.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion.

Do months on the Gregorian calendar begin with a Sunday or a holiday?

Did the earliest Israelites use a Gregorian calendar?

 

[john832]

That's what Lev 23 assumes.



And Lev 23 is pretty clear that the month began with a Sabbath.

OK, show me where the months begin with a Sabbath...


Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

Oh wait, that is not the beginning of the month, that is the fifteenth day of the month.

Lev 23:15 'And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed.
Lev 23:16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the LORD.
Lev 23:17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the LORD.
Lev 23:18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the LORD, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the LORD.
Lev 23:19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering.
Lev 23:20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
Lev 23:21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.

Oh wait, this one is variable and occurs 50 days AFTER the weekly Sabbath that occurs during the Days of Unleavened Bread. It is not fixed to a certain day of a certain month.

Lev 23:27 "Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.
Lev 23:28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Lev 23:29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people.
Lev 23:30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people.
Lev 23:31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."


Oh wait, this one is on the tenth day of the month.


Lev 23:34 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it.
Lev 23:36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.

This occurs on the fifteenth day and then there is another feast on the twenty-third day of the seventh month.

This only happens because the Israelite calendar changed (and for good reason). There is no distinction between feast Sabbaths and weekly Sabbath in Lev 23 - there is no distinction because they were one and the same. The distinction only became necessary because the calendar changed.

The calendar was in effect prior to Lev 23 and is still in effect. Please show me where God threw that calendar out.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion.



Did the earliest Israelites use a Gregorian calendar?

No, they did not and that is what you seem incapable of understanding. They used a lunar calendar that began each month with a New Moon. The weekly Sabbath is not determined by the moon...

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Gen 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

It was created on the seventh day of creation week.

 

[prove-all]

You say that a Sunday law is coming to my continent soon.

yes i did and posted info in a post, last time I asked someone to go back got mad.
thought i was proud and to lazy, im just lazy not want to repeat myself over again.
but will find posts for your questions, in minute if can find them, lots of history.

This is arrant nonsense, prove-all, thought up by a confused old woman.
Common sense will tell us that it is silliness.

does my signature suggest i just sprout out lies, just to be scoffed at ,without checking facts.
and i do not mean to offend a fellow believer in Christ, and not like arguing over law with them.

For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

what is nonsence is not knowing things like[links provide for space reduction]

man does not know his own steps, be aware of false teachers
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-5.html#post1961013

Satan, a good counterfit, and a lier that decieves by looking like the good guy.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-6.html#post1961091

warnings about another gospel being preached [allready at work, where in the world]
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-5.html#post1961000

The True and the False Church

Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away
disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years)

I never stopped (warning each of you night and day) (with tears) .Acts 20:30

God’s Church During the Middle Ages ,the apostle John, a disciple of his, Polycarp
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977349

not one verse fron gen. to rev. authorized the sabbath change,to the first day worship.

still true blessings today as then, but the bible says someone or something would change it.

 

[prove-all]

the cathloc church claims it was all there doing and athority,

some of the Vatican’s own confessions
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977297

also On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor ,
[decreed that Sunday] would be observed as [the Roman day of rest]:[5]

On the venerable Day of [the Sun], not the son the creator, Sun creaded, worship.

-facing east at the rising sun, as like a god in ancent times..
and worship by old roman rite ways,and made law in there land, there mark.

Antiquity of the Roman Mass(easter) why cathlic church celebrates its meaning,

It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when [Caesar] ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers[bad guys]
met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.

-this is not christ they worshiped, i believe its called instead of Christ or stamp out.

Creation is the PROOF of God,of His existence. It,the act of creating,identifies Him!
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977265

another custom nowadays is to site in grave yards, waiting for sunrise on this day.
also on [all hollows eve] special meeting, and try talk to saints, who they worship different daily.

why does everyother thread says vatican is the anti christ or something.
the enforcement of Sunday worship for Easter services: and Sabbath observence.

But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema [cursed and excommunicated]
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977319

But bible says If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-44.html#post1980592

the false importance of Sunday worship for Europe and the world rest day

the real purpose of the Sabbath rest
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977263

God commanded His people to keep His Sabbath as a sign.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977264

papacy is not the anti christ, that he comes from a german leader ,but both are given power.
germany who was destroyed by end ww2, world leaders vowed it would never let it rise again

 

[prove-all]

Germany [romes seat of government]europe union[romans kingdom] today alive thriving.
they have no work exempt deemed critical, laws on sunday no work, continent wide.

The German government declared officially denazification
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day-2.html#post1949317

The parliamentary term (Reichstag) was first used in association with the (Holy Roman Empire).
the building from where Hitler launched a war, about 50 million lives lost.

German Parliaments met from 1894 to 1933 and again now [since 1999]
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day-2.html#post1949283

the name given to the lance that (they) pierced the side of Jesus, they treasure.
All four parts of the Imperial Regalia are displayed, (used) in coronations.

the (Roman empire) is became oficially alive again, in europe (NOW).
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day-2.html#post1949276

Pagan Origins
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-40.html#post1977254

the book of Daniel - How Time Was Changed
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-40.html#post1977247

the message is for us now, what shall be in the (latter days)”
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-4.html#post1961039

Daniels 4 beasts, then the little horn grew up after
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-4.html#post1961052

the 7 hills or mountains
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110262-papacy-antichrist-3.html#post1969206

the 7 unholy roman empire unions
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-4.html#post1960909

A Matter of Life and Death
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977354

The number 666 in Greek and Hebrew, a man
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-6.html#post1963262

we can trace Nero Caesars, a title of imperial character name
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-4.html#post1961068

should we be afried of Rome, I mean Germany ? capital of the roman empire now today.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109970-vatican-city-4.html#post1961147

 

[prove-all]

You say that a Sunday law is coming to my continent soon.

With the world getting more and more godless you think
that a universal law will be promulgated which will decree that we worship on Sunday?

You can't be serious, surely. Worship - of any kind and on any day - is the last thing the ungodly
will be wanting to encourage, let alone enshrine in law!

yes i'm dead serious, it's called [the mystery of inequity], and the restrants are off...

and the world familys want this, sees as a blessing nothing wrong, being decieved.

THE NATIONAL DAY OF REST - Bing

World family day-this looks like [a lamb] to everyone, turning into weekday family time.

The Current Pope, Obama and other leaders are calling for this rest day and some have it.

Also world trade unions are making this happen, thinking solve all the problems of labor.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day.html


-[now] wants to have[ Quiet Sundays’] even noise not allowed in homes, christen or not.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977286

“Where did Sunday originate? Not with the Roman Catholic Church,

but with the pagan religion of the Roman Empire, long before there was any Catholic Church!
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-41.html#post1977308

 

[prove-all]

are government believes you are a possible terrioris, being againest pope, and other things

the 72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered “Potential Terrorists” [mabe changed more]
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109726-world-family-day.html#post1949246

while Iran and his groups are not labeled as terroists, and spits on Israel relatationship and friends.

 

[valiant]

now Paul as custom,he observed and taught jews and gentials, not only to the gentials,
but both on same day, on Gods day Sabbath. He taught 3 years on the Sabbath,

working the 6 other days to make a living, when did he preach to gentials?
as Jesus was [his custom] to, teaching jews and gentiles both at the same time,

the new church congragated on the sabbath to hear apostles preach,
disciples talked and learned daily among themselfs,

but preached to public on the sabbath, in a place of worship to be had.

a city had to wait the whole week to here him preach more, preached 3 sabbath days.
why did he not just teach on sunday instead ? or any other day but the 7th.?

the word who made it, preached his word on this day also.
and threw people out of the temple, because they robbed God of his Time.

Paul , talking to new gentile and jew converts, why does he mention Sabbaths, holy days ,

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

if they had been done away with them sabbaths,why but which he did himself
for over 3 years [keeping] the sabbath like his custom was.

[He]was teaching them [to keep] the sabbath, and not let others tell you other wise.

There is no mention of the abolition of God’s law or His holy days. Nothing is done away
in these verses. In fact, it is just the opposite. The very criticism the Colossians were
receiving about their observance of these days proves they were keeping them.
How could they be criticized “with regard to” days they were not keeping?

Paul is warning them not to return to or be influenced by their old pagan ways—
the ways of those who hated God’s laws and His festivals.



; but the body [is] of Christ.
the word [is] was added and was not inspired by paul, and should [not] be in there.

this verse should read proper,

do not let [anyone] tell you about sabbath holy days, [but] the body of Christ.

now we know it was not peter that little stone, but Christ the rock.
but Christs own words and as [His] customs where taught.

Have I labored in vein he says?

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always [obeyed], not as in my presence only,
but now much more in [my absence], [work out] your own salvation with fear and trembling.


17Which are [a shadow] of things to come,

at this point, Christ is risen, what shadow do they talk about or mean?

of things to come [not] past, these feasts show the rest of the story, from the begining

as you are too lazy to support your claims with references they are invalid

in fact the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7)

The reason why Paul often preached on the Sabbath was because that was when Jews had gathered together to hear the word

 

[Breeze7]

The Sabbath may best be done justice if you do the works of the father. Jesus went about doing his fathers work and people said you should not be doing this this day. Jesus gave them an answer. Jesus also said how to observe. You should have your tradition but if you must break the tradition because circumstances call or god calls then the spirit will guide you. Something I feel that's good is we should make a homemade temple or shrine in our house in a designated spot. If we can't go to church have our own holy place for reverence or prayer( Ideas...)

 

[valiant]

1Let us therefore [fear], lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,
any of you should seem to come short of it.

2For unto us was the gospel preached, [as well] as unto them:
but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath,
if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day [on this wise],
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5And in this [place again], If they shall enter into my rest.

6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein,
and they to whom it was first preached entered not in [because of unbelief:]

7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said,
To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.



the 7th day pictures the rest we recieve in the thousand year rein,

No the seventh day rest pointed to the rest that we now enjoy in Christ. That is why the Sabbath as a shadow pointing forward is no longer a requirement. That rest in Christ is contrasted with the rest that Joshua gave to Israel. which clearly had no reference to the Sabbath. It is continual rest.

 

[valiant]

Post by prove-all

Paul , talking to new gentile and jew converts, why does he mention Sabbaths, holy days ,

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

if they had been done away with them sabbaths,why but which he did himself
for over 3 years [keeping] the sabbath like his custom was.

[He]was teaching them [to keep] the sabbath, and not let others tell you other wise.

There is no mention of the abolition of God’s law or His holy days. Nothing is done away
in these verses. In fact, it is just the opposite. The very criticism the Colossians were
receiving about their observance of these days proves they were keeping them.
How could they be criticized “with regard to” days they were not keeping?

Paul is warning them not to return to or be influenced by their old pagan ways—
the ways of those who hated God’s laws and His festivals.

I do not think I have ever come across a worse example of the misuse of Scripture by someone who wants to prove a point.

So you are claiming that Paul wanted them to be bound by ordinances in respect of meat and drink?

These Christians had become concerned because Judaisers had arrived among them telling them that they must observe dietary laws, and Jewish holy days and feasts. Paul tells them that such things were shadows pointing forward and are no longer valid, any more than the worshiping of angels.

Instead of such shadows they now have the substance, that is Christ. The whole passage is a warning against trying to DO things in order to become holy.

 

[MarcR]

I can't find anywhere where it is stated under the new covenant, that I a Gentile be asked to observe a Saturday Sabbath. I can find scripture that plainly states

''One person considers one day more sacred than another, another treats each day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind''

You can't find any such Scripture because there is none!

I believe that the appointed times of Lev chapter 23, including the Sabbath, are still times at which God desires to meet and fellowship with His faithful.

I believe that observing these times under compulsion of commandment is totally worthless!

If you make an appointment to meet a friend at a certain time, and your friend doesn't show up; you do not break off the friendship but you are disappointed. I believe God feels the same way.

 

[prove-all]

as you are too lazy to support your claims with references they are invalid
in fact the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7)

The reason why Paul often preached on the Sabbath was because that was
when Jews had gathered together to hear the word

Acts 20:7
Now on the first day of the week, when [the disciples] came together to [break bread],

Paul, ready to depart the next day[in the morning], walking ,
spoke to them and continued[other deciples not whole congration] his message until midnight.

Paul taught allways on the 7th day, the comming kingdom message, to the city jew [and] gentile;
even to after dark times, ending the sabbath, starting the first day of the week, .

a work day, evening came it was time to eat dinner, after dark, most times they all lived together ,
and ate together , [not every] meal is worship. breaking bread is [eating a meal] and giving thanks.
lookup breaking bread somewhere no link sorry

this was a work day, not worship day, paul , after sunrise, walking a great distance,
to meet his companions.his buddies where allready rowing a boat after the sabbath ended,

on work day the first day of the week, had more to talk about.
is not a commanded worship service change of days, he still taught church on sabbath.

[No] man or [doctrine] can make any other day hollowed or sanctified.
It is [the Lords day], any other is mans tradition.

this sunday worship is not from God
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-2.html#post1960048

-other false beliefs in forceing verses to sunday worship, first day of week.

like saying he arose at sunrise sunday, but none saw him rise, and was long gone;
was still dark outside, and force good friday againest the only sign given [this] generation

Paul as custom, Let no man therefore judge you...- [but] the body of Christ.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-44.html#post1980884

an OBSERVER OF TIMES does not mean a Sabbath keeper GAL.4
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-16.html#post1965119

the doctrune of rome has filled its coffers , concerning the collection for the saints
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110085-sabbath-4.html#post1960567

Hell is an english word and that decieves the world.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110567-3-view-points-2.html#post1978428

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eparate-old-new-covenants-10.html#post1957089

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
1 Kings 22:23 (KJV)

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 2 Chronicles 18:22 (KJV)

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets,
and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.Amos 5:14 (KJV)

Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the Lord, the God of hosts,
shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
1 Corinthians 10:30 (KJV)

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good, are you lazy not to?​

 

[Skgrim]

King James 2000 Bible
So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.

 

[Skgrim]

[1] Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

 

[Skgrim]

[6] For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

 

[prove-all]

So you are claiming that Paul wanted them to be bound by ordinances in respect of meat and drink?

These Christians had become concerned because Judaisers pointing forward and are no longer valid, any more than the worshiping of angels.

Instead of such shadows they now have the substance, that is Christ. The whole passage is a warning against trying to DO things in order to become holy.

because Judaisers ? Jesus was one, oracles given to jews, all contracts to Israel

I am saying he told them not to return to [Traditions of men, Rudiments of the world],

because God gave holy days to our for fathers, and said not to return to pagon[egypt] ways, holidays.

read verse without the [is], a warning against turning back to worldly,and not Holy Godly things.

and talks about things to come, after Christ died, 7th day looks to rest ,7th 1000 year age, future