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Studyman

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Irrelevant. We are talking neither about Constantine nor about the Roman empire´s official days.
Yes, you don't want to talk about the origin of Mainstream Christianity's doctrines and traditions.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.” [/FONT]
 

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"Churchgoer".. what a terrible, unlearned person that must be.

But we have you, a non-churchgoer, who is not confused by the word "day"
so you can inform us what that means.
So you think I do not go to church? what does the bible say the [church] is?

I am not the one confused about the Lords {Day} in John, this [day] referes
to [a year] long punishment on this earth , before Jesus starts the mill.
Oh wait you do not believe the bible on this regard also, the mill. raign of Christ.

What does the bible say about this day?


Isaiah 34:8 (KJV)
For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance,
and [the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord,
and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 (KJV)
For [the day of vengeance] is in mine heart,
and [the year] of my redeemed is come.

Luke 21:22 (KJV)
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 32:35 (KJV)
To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide
in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things
that shall come upon them make haste.

Jeremiah 46:10 (KJV)
For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance,
that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour,
and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:for the Lord God
of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the
high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. Isaiah 24:21

Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from
the Almighty shall it come. Joel 1:15

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood
before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come Joel 2:31 Acts 2:20


Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord
is near in the valley of decision. Joel 3:14 Acts 2:20

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger,
to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.Isaiah 13:9

a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress,
a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess,

Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you?
the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.Amos 5:18
 
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Hizikyah

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So you think I do not go to church? what does the bible say the [church] is?

I am not the one confused about the Lords {Day} in John, this [day] referes
to [a year] long punishment on this earth , before Jesus starts the mill.
Oh wait you do not believe the bible on this regard also, the mill. raign of Christ.

What does the bible say about this day?


Isaiah 34:8 (KJV)
For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance,
and [the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord,
and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 (KJV)
For [the day of vengeance] is in mine heart,
and [the year] of my redeemed is come.

Luke 21:22 (KJV)
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 32:35 (KJV)
To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide
in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things
that shall come upon them make haste.

Jeremiah 46:10 (KJV)
For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance,
that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour,
and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:for the Lord God
of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the
high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. Isaiah 24:21

Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from
the Almighty shall it come. Joel 1:15

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood
before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come Joel 2:31 Acts 2:20


Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord
is near in the valley of decision. Joel 3:14 Acts 2:20

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger,
to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.Isaiah 13:9

a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress,
a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess,

Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you?
the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.Amos 5:18
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”[/FONT]
 

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If Christ is the reality of Sabbath, why to return to Jewish old testament observance of the week day literally?
Calling it the Jewish Old Testament makes it seem out of date and no longer useful.

​It is the WORD OF GOD predating Jesus. With the New Testament that completes the Bible as the WORD OF GOD.
 
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some are really saying that working on a certain week day means u can lose ur salvation/ur not saved.
thats unbelievable to me.
 

Endoscopy

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some are really saying that working on a certain week day means u can lose ur salvation/ur not saved.
thats unbelievable to me.
There are denominations that believe that every time we sin we are condemned. If we fail to ask forgiveness then we are condemned to hell. They feel terrible about people dying in car accidents that might not have asked for forgiveness.

I totally disagree with them. A close friend goes to one of those churches.
 
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Hi Heart.
If he didn't break the Sabbath why where the Pharisees offended by his actions of healing in the temple ?
The Pharisees believed the sabbath was a particular day of the week.
And they kept it as a tradition.
So Jesus not keeping their tradition offended them,
and, they thought, that gave them grounds to accuse Him.

But Jesus knows they are the feasts of the Lord,
which are to be proclaimed in their seasons.

Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto Me in the year.
Exodus 23:14

And I think you know this one, to explain why the Lord says days.
As in 6 days work, and in the seventh day rest.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.

2 Peter 3:8

Now, I don't think that means we work for 6 thousand years, and then have 1 thousand year rest,
obviously.
But it is showing us that times and durations which the Lord sets are not fixed,
nor are they the same as our times.
So we have to use our intelligent discretion.

Have you tried to make a sabbath for Him?
If you had, then you know, one cannot do it in a day.

After two days will He revive us:
in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

Hosea 6:2

And you haven't made the true sabbath before, as commanded in the law,
then your six days are surely up, and it is definitely time for you to have a rest.

Hope this answers it for it.
Paul
 
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Sorry, typo.
I meant. And if you haven't made the sabbath before...

Left out the if.
Paul
 
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And what are His commandments?

He said, These are His commandments:

Mat 19:17-19
And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.

He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No mention of the Sabbath,
Jesus does say to keep the commandments there.
And His quick list leaves no doubt He is speaking of Moses' law.
Look at the same verse from Luke.

And Jesus said unto him,
Why callest thou Me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Thou knowest the commandments,
Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Luke 18:19-20

You know the sabbath is a commandment.
But since Jesus didn't repeat the whole of the law here,
you are not doing the commandments which He didn't list,
in His off the cuff answer which He gives the rich man?
In this list in Luke, Jesus does not say "Love thy neighbour as thy self".
Are you going to leave that one off now, because Jesus didn't say it here?
How about, neither list contains "Love the Lord your God".
Do you not do that one too?

And how about this one then?

And he [the rich man] said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
Now when Jesus heard these things, He said unto him,
Yet lackest thou one thing:
sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come, follow Me.

Luke 18:21-22

So tell us truly, did you sell all that you had, and donate the money to the needy?
And follow Jesus? (to keep all the commandments of God)
Jesus popped that one in on the end of His list, didn't He?

I was blessed greatly when I did that commandment.
It is one of my favourites.

Bless Jesus
Paul
 
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Thank you, Jaume.
Hear Yeshua. When the woman was caught in the very act of adultery with many witnesses, far more than the three witnesses required by the law, she should have been stoned to death according to the law........Jesus argued her defense and she was aquitted. Jesus never broke the law, yet He, applying mercy allowed and argued her defense.
Do you really believe God commanded us to stone people to death? With real stones?

To me, that is a pure carnal interpretation.
What about, Thou shalt not kill?

Because God commanded us to not kill, I had to ask Jesus what all the [seemingly] murderous commandments are about.
We have to stone the wicked to death.
Kill all the canaanites at Jericho.
So much killing and war.

Jesus said to me, cast out the devils.
I give power to kill them.

I now stone them with verses from Dueteronomy.

In the law it is written an eye for an eye etc........yet Yeshua teaches us not so, rather if your enemy smites yo on the cheek offer him the other as well. We are to love our enemies. Most of all we are to judge no man to condemnation for we do not reign and the King has not returned to reign as yet.
When we read eye for eye, it isn't a commandment.
Jesus said, if your eye is offended, pluck it out.
Not your eye, silly, your offence.

I believe God is just saying, if we do take someone's eye, we will lose ours.
Not if someone takes our eye, then we have to take theirs.
I see it relates to: If we live by the sword, we die by the sword.
And: What we sow, so shall we reap.
I don't mind saying, Karma.

when He returns He will first destroy the destroyers....... He brings justice in His hand.....so much more.
He comes quickly.
He kills our devils.

Of course there are laws to overlook. None of the Levitical laws may be applied for we are the priests with One High Priest.
I am applying them as we speak.
I am parting your meat offering which you have offered up to the priests of God (us).

Jesus did make you a priest unto God and the Father.

There is no Israel that is a Theocracy on earth so none of the laws applying to the first Israel's country can possibly apply especially in view of the number of false theologies in place under the uimbrella called Judaism. This applies also to the false theologies under the Christianity umbrella.
I just got on with doing as Jesus said.
Now I am in Israel.

It takes much study, pdrayer and meditation to follow Jesus.......keep up the good works. God bless you always.......
Thank you.
Indeed you are blessing.

Now to share the Lord's bread, a small cake.

Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency;
and array thyself with glory and beauty.
Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath:
and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low;
and tread down the wicked in their place.
Hide them in the dust together;
and bind their faces in secret.

Then will I also confess unto thee
that thine own right hand can save thee.

Job 40:10-14

I chose this one, because I believe it relates to all the stoning and killing we have to do.
And this is all done in the kingdom of God, which is within,
and in the judgment, in the congregation.

As set out in the beginning of Deuteronomy chapter 12.
Get the names of their gods out of you. :)

Thank You Jesus
Paul
 

JaumeJ

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Good morning all. I cannot abide with any who pervert the Word to suit the hyper-grace ways of some.. It is well beyond pathetic.

God does not have His prophets put lies down in the books. When God speaks it is never a suggestion...
 
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Thank you Jaume,

I like your posts, and I agree with this one here.
You are speaking about the Lord's circumcision of the heart, are you not.

If we keep this meaning in mind when reading St Paul, and he says "the circumcision"
then he speaking of us, and not those who are circumcised externally,
then that changes a lot of the interpretations we see being advertised here.

For we are the circumcision,
which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 3:3

And I know, the circumcision occurs in the sabbath.
The coming of Jesus happens in the sabbath.

Bless :)

I truly believe you should meditaqte on this thought.

Our Maker went to the trouble to inscribe the Ten Commandments on stone tablets only to give us the same taken from the stone tablets by God, Himself, and inscribed on our hearts when the Holy Spirit entered into us, we who believe Jesus christ.

Is this not the truth? Have we not had this changed from the stone to the fleshy tablets of our hearts?
 

JaumeJ

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Grace was here for the faithful even under the law, but few could find it.....in part this is due to our Father's plan and His wisdom for no man can fathom the wisdom of God. I do know Christ, Yeshua, did preach to those who were below during the interim of His crucifixion and His resurrection, and I do not pretend to understandimplicitely, but I do believe implicitely. God bless you and your understanding and wisdom always.......

Thank you Jaume,

I like your posts, and I agree with this one here.
You are speaking about the Lord's circumcision of the heart, are you not.

If we keep this meaning in mind when reading St Paul, and he says "the circumcision"
then he speaking of us, and not those who are circumcised externally,
then that changes a lot of the interpretations we see being advertised here.

For we are the circumcision,
which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 3:3

And I know, the circumcision occurs in the sabbath.
The coming of Jesus happens in the sabbath.

Bless :)
 

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Yet Paul kept YHWH's Sabbath's and Feast days post Messiah's Sacrifice;

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Paul Kept Sabbath and Feasts;

Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”
The Feast Paul wanted to attend was the feast of Pentecost that today is called Whit Sunday. Paul will have celebrated Easter and Christmas as well.

For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost. (Act 20:16 KJV)

The Christian holiday of Pentecost, celebrated on the fiftieth day after Easter, commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and other followers of Jesus Christ while they were in Jerusalem celebrating the Feast of Weeks, as described in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 2:1–31).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost

Tip: I do not read long posts.
 

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The Thread title is Sabbath, is it not?

"that Sunday worship unconnected to Sabbath was introduced in Rome in the 2nd century,
and was later enforced throughout the Christian church as a substitution for Sabbath worship.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Act 20:7 KJV)

upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together — This, compared with 1Co_16:2, and other similar allusions, plainly indicates that the Christian observance of the day afterwards distinctly called “the Lord’s Day,” was already a fixed practice of the churches.
(Jamison, Fawcett, Brown)
 

JaumeJ

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Most who believe God rest on their Sabbath, mine will always be the Seventh day.

Other than my Sabbath the Lord has provided me with more than I can accomplish alone, so I do not sit on my duff telling everyone how the One I try to be like is their rest and they are never "working."

Now the works He gives me overflow so greatly that there is plenty of works for everyone else to do, for they are receiving the same works.

It is a crying shame that the hyper-grace or grace only folks just don't get it...........

Our Father is working yet, therefore we must also work. When the work is finished we will all rest in eternal joy and thanksgiving with our King...........amen.
 

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some are really saying that working on a certain week day means u can lose ur salvation/ur not saved.
thats unbelievable to me.
If you would understand friend...the Sabbath is the ONLY holy day of the week with GOD...sanctified and separate from all others....and for us to share in... Mean anything to you ?
Our Savior is the Lord of it and if you have no part in what He offers you...how can you be saved ? Heb 5v9.
 

trofimus

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Most who believe God rest on their Sabbath, mine will always be the Seventh day.
In Europe, we start week with Monday and end it with Sunday, so Sunday is the "Seventh day".

I wonder what you would do here. Rest on the 6th day just because of the name of the day or rest on Sunday just because it is number 7?
 
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