Sabbath

[LoveGodForever]

If I may say a few words dear friend,
as there were people in the OT who REFUSED to hear God anymore after He had spoken the 10 Com to them Ex 20 and Deut 5, so there are still people TOday who also refuse to hear God and all those who speak the Word of God.
Their spirit of rebellion only lets them hear what will further their unbelief UNTIL they repent and humble themselves, die to self and accept God's Word in ALL things. To some this may never happen and may be best to withdraw from them and leave them to the Lord.

Hi Brother Beta,

Good words of advice. I am very much aware of Matt 7:6. If this was a one person only conversation it would have finished along time ago already trust me . However, I am not writing really for those that reject God's Words. I am writing for those that are in the background that may be like the faithful Bereans that truly wish to follow Jesus and study God's Word for themselves. I pray for everyone here that God may open our eyes to see Jesus. This is my hope.

May God always bless you my friend

 

[beta]

You are the one making extrabiblical claims - suppose you try and show anywhere in Scripture that the law was split into sections and some bits and bobs were fulfilled in Jesus but not others?

I am not rejecting God's Word, I know that Colossians 2:14 refers to the whole law, not bits and pieces.
Your exegesis fails with a very simple error - you assume that the Greek word "dogma" can only have a single meaning - in your case an inaccurate one because the law was never split into bits.
You do know that the Greek word "dogma" is used in Ephesians 2:15, don't you?
And you do know that in that instance it refers unequivocally to the whole law, do you not?

You keep saying that you are following God's word but all I see is the imposition of a predetermined theological agenda to try and make Scripture "prove" certain points.
It is clear to me that you have to find some way to "disprove" the blindingly obvious meaning of Col 2:16-17, hence this clumsy attempt to make the word "dogma" mean something that it doesn't.
Especially clumsy since you have to invoke a classification of the law that does not exist in the Bible to give the word "dogma" the meaning that you desire.
Tut tut!

We have a special term for what you are doing: EISEGESIS!

SCRIPTURE says 'put difference between holy and unholy Lev 10v10 which would also mean a difference between Gods spiritual/eternal Commandments HE personally gave and added no more Deut 5v22, Rom 7 which are holy just and good - and the commandments contained in ordinances/works through Moses which were abolished on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.
The reason you can not agree to that difference is your refusal to hear GOD on this matter but wish to uphold your own understanding leading to error and destruction.
No one is ever condemned unless God first corrects and pardons but it has to be accepted---don't miss your opportunity !

 

[beta]

Hi Brother Beta,

Good words of advice. I am very much aware of Matt 7:6. If this was a one person only conversation it would have finished along time ago already trust me . However, I am not writing really for those that reject God's Words. I am writing for those that are in the background that may be like the faithful Bereans that truly wish to follow Jesus and study God's Word for themselves. I pray for everyone here that God may open our eyes to see Jesus. This is my hope.

May God always bless you my friend

Sound Words my friend, God bless always !
(btw - it's Sister, lol a mere female)

 

[Jackson123]

From reading your posts, it would appear that you are not really proficient with the English language, which may be the reason that you are unable to comprehend the truth that has been revealed to you.

english is not my first language, but my question is do yo believe only sabbath AS a thosand years is a shadow ?

 

[Jackson123]

I believe what Gods word says in both the OT and the NT. They are both in agreement.

As to the other questions they have nothing to do with what God said so I wont bother.

you not answered my question brother, I too believe ot and nt in agreement.

spesifically in this case, because ot and nt in agreement, do you believe God only If you worship in sabbat .

becausesabbath in the north pole is 3 month, is that mean No business for 3 month there.

 

[JaumeJ]

My post is inspired by your comments but not, never, an accusation of ayone. Hwever it is understanding from Paul's writing and teaching.

None of the brethren should be using the understanding of a nother brother or sister as an opportunity to accuse or condem.

Many people like I cannot justify changing the order of the week of creation by saying i the Seventh Day is changed to the first day of the week. One reason for me is, it seems eprverse to think of the order of creation being changed by some mere doctrine of mankind while we have it stated in no uncertain terms that God rested on the Seventh Day.
I am privileged to be able to fellowship with al who truly love our Salvation, Jesus Christ, on any day of the week others choose.

This has nothing to do with any commandment; it deals with what the Word says to me. I have yet to find a teaching from Jesus Christ telling ayone the Seventh Day is now the first day. As some may say, that is fake news.

All Christians agree with this - or they should.

The problem is when others say "You must observe the Sabbath as outlined in the Old testament or you are sinning and dis-obeying God."

That is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and it will be vehemently attacked so that the truth of the gospel will remain with the believers just like Paul said in Galatians.

 

[graceNpeace]

My post is inspired by your comments but not, never, an accusation of ayone. Hwever it is understanding from Paul's writing and teaching.

None of the brethren should be using the understanding of a nother brother or sister as an opportunity to accuse or condem.

Many people like I cannot justify changing the order of the week of creation by saying i the Seventh Day is changed to the first day of the week. One reason for me is, it seems eprverse to think of the order of creation being changed by some mere doctrine of mankind while we have it stated in no uncertain terms that God rested on the Seventh Day.
I am privileged to be able to fellowship with al who truly love our Salvation, Jesus Christ, on any day of the week others choose.

This has nothing to do with any commandment; it deals with what the Word says to me. I have yet to find a teaching from Jesus Christ telling ayone the Seventh Day is now the first day. As some may say, that is fake news.

You are chasing rabbits down rabbit-holes.
No-one is changing any day from one day to another.
You are completely misinformed.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi graceNpeace,

Thanks for your message. It is a shame you have not understood the meanings of post 1369. The only purpose of this post was to simply show from God’s Word the existence and origin of the ceremonial feasts Sabbaths that were a Shadow spoken of in Colossians 2:14-17. Once again these are not my words go read them again if you do not understand what they are saying. Anyhow, I am happy to share God’s Word with you and those that may be interested. This post should be read in conjunction with post 1369 for those that maybe interested in God's Word.

You are the one making extrabiblical claims - suppose you try and show anywhere in Scripture that the law was split into sections and some bits and bobs were fulfilled in Jesus but not others?

Good question. It is easy to see from the Word of God that there are many laws referred to in the Torah (first five books of the bible. Here is some of the descriptions and differences applied from God’s Word. You can see quite clearly that God’s Law is forever. (Ecc 3:14)
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God’s Law​

10 Commandments​

The Decalogue ​

(Ex 20:1-17)
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Torah, “Pentateuch”
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The ceremonial/civil laws and ordinances​

(Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).
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Written on Stone
(Ex 31:18)​

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Written in a book,
(Deut 31:24,7; Deut 31:24)
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Placed in the Ark
(Deut 10:5)​

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Placed beside the Ark
(Deut 31:25)​

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Written by God's finger
(Ex 31:18, 32:16)​

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Written by Moses'
(Deut 31:9; Ex 24:4)​

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Written on two tables of stone
(Deut 4:13)​

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Written in a book
(Deut 31:24)
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Spoken by God
(Ex 20:1,22)​

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Spoken by Moses
(Ex 24:3)​

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God gave ​

(Ex 31:18)​

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Moses gave​

(Deut 31:24-26)​

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Describes how to love God and our neighbour​

(Ex 20:1-17, Matt 22:35-40)​

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Describes the plan of salvation
Including the history of our world, creation, the fall of mankind the promise of salvation which included ceremonial laws, the sanctuary service and sacrificial system for sin with feast days, new moons and ceremonial Sabbaths which were a shadows on things to come (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy Col 2:16-16, Heb 10:1, Eph 2:14-15)​

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The Law of God is Forever ​

(Ecc 3:14)​

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Ceremonial Laws done away ​

Earthly sanctuary and sacrificial sin offerings, feast days, new moons, ceremonial Sabbaths nailed to the cross​

(Eph 2:14)​

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Breaking Gods Law = sin ​

Sin is the transgression of God’s Law
(1 John 3:4)​

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Prescribes laws for cleansing and forgiveness of sin​

Included anearthly sanctuary and sacrificial sin offerings, which pointed to Jesus and was completed at his death. Does not identify what sin is (Lev 1:1-17)​

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Shows us our need of salvation and shows us that we are sinners ​

Shows us what sin is and our need of salvation(Gal 3:24, 1John 3:4)​

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Foreshadows the plan of salvation​

Foreshadowed the plan of salvation​

pointing to Jesus as our sacrifice for sin and Great high priest does not show what sin is! Fulfilled when Jesus died​

(Lev 4,5,6, Heb 4:14, 9,10, John 1:29)​

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Called the 10 Commandments​

(Ex 20:1-17)​

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Called Ceremonial Laws Statutes, Ordinances, decrees and feast days​

(Ex, Lev, Deut)​

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Still in force today
(Ps 111:7-8, Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1John 3:5-8, 1John 2:3-4 etc.)​

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Not in force today​

Ceremonial Laws, earthly sanctuary and sacrificial system pointing to Jesus is nailed to the cross and no longer required
(Eph 2:15; Col 2:14-17)​

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Great standard in the Judgement​

(Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31)​

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Judges nothing​

(Col 2:16)​

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I am not rejecting God's Word, I know that Colossians 2:14 refers to the whole law, not bits and pieces. Your exegesis fails with a very simple error - you assume that the Greek word "dogma" can only have a single meaning - in your case an inaccurate one because the law was never split into bits. You do know that the Greek word "dogma" is used in Ephesians 2:15, don't you? And you do know that in that instance it refers unequivocally to the whole law, do you not?

Actually some of this section is already proven above so no need to touch on it here. You need to revisit your interpretation of Ephesians 2:15, like your interpretation of Col 2:16-17. The Greek word for ordinances in this verse is the same word used in Colossians 2:14 that refers to what was nailed to the cross. Paul reveals in Colossians 2:16 that these ordinances had “meat and drink offerings,” “holy feast days,” “monthly new moon festivals” and “yearly sacrificial Sabbaths” that Ezekiel 45:17 ever so plainly reveals that this is what was practiced to make reconciliation for sin. In other words, the sacrificial law, which was part of the Mosaic Law. The Ten Commandments were written in the Ten Commandments while the Mosaic Law was written in the Mosaic Law.

Here is what the Strong's and Thayer dictionaries state on the Greek word dogma for ordinances used in this verse. As you can see, there is not so much as a hint of the Ten Commandments being mentioned. Strong's effectively labelled it the ceremonial law while the Thayer dictionary was even clearer stating it was the rules and requirements of the law of Moses. The ordinances are also called the Law of Moses and you can see some of the key differences between laws in the table above.

And here is another example for even more clarity. Before the cross in the Old Covenant there were both the Ten Commandments and the Ordinances as also seen from Luke 1:6 that alone proves they are not the same thing. Hebrews 9:1-2 states that the Old (first) Covenant also had ordinances and hence is clarifying that the New Covenant does not. And if the Old Covenant “had also” which means in addition to something. Then what is left? See Luke 1:6 again for the obvious answer. So to ask an obvious question. Do these two verses refer to the moral law or the sacrificial law? Note that the “worldly sanctuary” in verse 1 and “the candlestick, and the table, and the showbread; which is called the sanctuary” in verse 2 unmistakably belong to the temple or sanctuary which is where the animal sacrifices were carried out and hence the sacrificial law and not the moral law. (Source)

You keep saying that you are following God's word but all I see is the imposition of a predetermined theological agenda to try and make Scripture "prove" certain points. It is clear to me that you have to find some way to "disprove" the blindingly obvious meaning of Col 2:16-17, hence this clumsy attempt to make the word "dogma" mean something that it doesn't. Especially clumsy since you have to invoke a classification of the law that does not exist in the Bible to give the word "dogma" the meaning that you desire. Tut tut!

Well your interpretation as pretty much been shown for what it is I guess. I don’t need to say anything else. But wish you and everyone all the best as you seek Jesus through His Word and ask Him what is His truth.

God bless you all.

 

[Rainrider]

Jackson123, gotime is attempting to make the OT interpret the NT!
Despite anything that he says he rejects anything that goes against his interpretation of the OT in the NT.
Crazy I know, but there you go!

It kind of crazy to use Scripture to interpret scripture. When we do that we find what the passage we let the Word interpreter for us, means what said. Can't have that now.

 

[graceNpeace]

Buddy, none of this gives your interpretation of Colossians chapter 2 any credance.
I can see this has come straight off a website somewhere - no doubt a teaching resource for your church or group.
I can also see how you like to substitute volume for quality (another one of your tactics).

That whole table culminates in three rows at the bottom which rely on YOUR and YOUR GROUP OR CHURCH'S THEOLOGICAL interpretation.

Either the whole law was fulfilled through the vicarious sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross or it was not!
Either the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ was sufficient for salvation or it was not!
Either the New Covenant is in operation now or it is not!

And I am going to put it like this:
Either this is true or it is not:

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.Eph 2:8-9

If this is true, then any attempt to add to it, and there are all sorts here on this forum who do this, from the works salvationists to the baptismal regenerationists, to you as Sabbatarians; all spit in the face of the grace of God because you are saying that you will manage by works and by observing days and feasts etc.
But Eph 2:8-9 stands in your way!
The Apostle Paul stands in your way because he consistently denies the place of the law and any manifestation of it as contributing to righteousness:

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.27 Where is boasting then? No, It is excluded. By what law? Of works? but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.Rom 3:21-31

vs 21 unequivocally states that righteousness is not be found in the law.
Instead righteousness in God is only found through faith in Jesus Christ.

In vs 27 when Paul asks the question about boasting he says it is excluded, and then asks a subsequent question, By what law?
The answer is the law of faith!
This law is not the law of Moses (or any other law code for that matter - if we are also referring to Gentiles).

However when Paul goes on and asks whether the law is made void through faith the answer is no, the law is established!
This does not mean that Christians, believers, are placed back under the law!
That makes everything Paul has written up to this point a nonsense if that were the case.

The answer is that the law is put in its proper perspective:

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.Rom 2:12-16

I have read a couple of posts on this forum where people use vs 13 as justification for pushing the law but it fails because Paul goes on to clearly state in Rom 3:23:

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Rom 3:23

Clearly not a good idea to stand apart from the grace of God!

And in Galatians Paul even more eloquently states the role of the law:

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal 3:19-25
The law was added because of sin. vs 19
The inability of the law to impart righteousness is emphasised. vs 21
The law functions as a tutor, to bring us to Christ. vs 24
After faith has come the law is no longer required vs 25

Nowhere, does Paul distinguish between any particular part of the law. The law is the law!

Hebrews states the framework of the New Covenant.
Speaking of Jesus the author states:

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds[b] I will remember no more.”[c]
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Heb 8:6-13

Context makes it unambiguously clear that this passage deals with the Mosaic Covenant and contrasts it with the New Covenant.
The Mosaic Covenant is obsolete and is ready to vanish away.

Now if vs10 is to be interpreted as the re-imposition of the any of the laws of the Mosaic covenant, including the ten commandments then that just makes a complete mockery of the whole passage.
It just contradicts itself!
What exactly is "better" about the New Covenant if it is just a rehash of the Old?
When it says: "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." (Heb 8:10) it cannot be the law of Moses or even the ten commandments per se.
This is not a reference to any law or code but a reference to this reality (if we are believers of course!):
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Rom 8:14-17

And this:
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.Eph 1:13

So, when Heb 8:10 talks about "I will be their God, and they shall be My people." this is seen by the Holy spirit being described as the "Spirit of adoption" Rom 8:15 and then the seal, as in "you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13.

But that is not all!
The first part of Heb 8:10, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts;" is referring to this, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Rom 8:14.
This is the law spoken about in Heb 8:10 - we are led by the Spirit!
This is the law of faith mentioned in Romans chapter 3 ( see above for the quote).
What is the outworking of being led by the Spirit?

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Gal 5:22-24

This is what is called being "led by the Spirit"!
This is the law that is written on our hearts, and it is written by the Holy spirit, hence the outworking of it is termed "the fruit of the Spirit".

I will leave it there...

 

[graceNpeace]

It kind of crazy to use Scripture to interpret scripture. When we do that we find what the passage we let the Word interpreter for us, means what said. Can't have that now.

It is when you break hermeneutical principles!
The NT interprets the OT!
Not the other way around...

But then, I guess law-keeping fanatics have to do things back-to-front to try and make things work...

 

[LoveGodForever]

Buddy, none of this gives your interpretation of Colossians chapter 2 any credance.
I can see this has come straight off a website somewhere - no doubt a teaching resource for your church or group.
I can also see how you like to substitute volume for quality (another one of your tactics).

Hi graceNPeace,

Thanks for your post but I thought it unusual that nothing you posted addressed anything in my previous posts. That's a shame. All those scriptures you quoted in your last post however are fantastic and I believe in all of them. It is just you have some misconceptions on the different types of laws that some of those scriptures apply to. The source I provided in a section in the previous post is not my churches resources BTW and no one is using any tactics against you as we are only sharing God's Word.

God bless you my friend keep studying.

 

[graceNpeace]

Hi graceNPeace,

Thanks for your post but I thought it unusual that nothing you posted addressed anything in my previous posts. That's a shame. All those scriptures you quoted in your last post however are fantastic and I believe in all of them. It is just you have some misconceptions on the different types of laws that some of those scriptures apply to. The source I provided in a section in the previous post is not my churches resources BTW and no one is using any tactics against you as we are only sharing God's Word.

God bless you my friend keep studying.

No misconceptions!
The law (all of it) is not binding on a New Covenant believer.
All the classifications and slicing and dicing, and gymnastics you are doing that is related to the law will not change that...

Also, I will emphasise that your dismissal of the meaning of Colossians chapter 2 with your faulty exegesis cannot change the plain meaning: the law is no longer binding, and that includes the observance of the Sabbath

 

[beta]

english is not my first language, but my question is do yo believe only sabbath AS a thosand years is a shadow ?

english is not my first language neither...but listen to God and you will get better understanding !

You are too fixated with shadows...we now have the 'real substance in Christ with whom we can personally interact and walk...starting from the time of His ministry as His disciples .

 

[beta]

you not answered my question brother, I too believe ot and nt in agreement.

spesifically in this case, because ot and nt in agreement, do you believe God only If you worship in sabbat .

becausesabbath in the north pole is 3 month, is that mean No business for 3 month there.

Looking at it from a human angle you are right, but the physical is not what to focus on, is it ? You start with what YOU have got, what is given to you personally and not what is in the world.
If a person really loves God they would want to keep 'holy what is holy to God and separate, special, sanctified. Where has GOD changed that Commandment - when did JESUS not keep it ?
PEOPLE have done their hardest to change the day and still do...why are you listening to them ?

 

[Katy-follower]

When yall go soul-winning do you tell people after you won em to the Lord that oh btw you gotta keep Sabbath or you wont be saved.
Is that the Gospel? keep the sabbath?

Exactly. There's no hope in a gospel offering conditional salvation. We know that through Jesus we can be completely forgiven, where the slate is wiped clean, and we have eternal life, sealed.

I've often wondered... do some witness to others, telling them that God will forgive them of their sins, but not completely?! This is no different than what so many already have... the false religions of the world that keep many in chains, when Christ is the one that sets us free from all of that.

God NEVER breaks His promises. And there's nothing conditional about eternal life.

 

[graceNpeace]

Looking at it from a human angle you are right, but the physical is not what to focus on, is it ? You start with what YOU have got, what is given to you personally and not what is in the world.
If a person really loves God they would want to keep 'holy what is holy to God and separate, special, sanctified. Where has GOD changed that Commandment - when did JESUS not keep it ?
PEOPLE have done their hardest to change the day and still do...why are you listening to them ?

This is just a typical straw-man.
No day has been changed.
It is simply that the Sabbath is no longer binding on a New Covenant believer!

 

[graceNpeace]

Exactly. There's no hope in a gospel offering conditional salvation. We know that through Jesus we can be completely forgiven, where the slate is wiped clean, and we have eternal life, sealed.

I've often wondered... do some witness to others, telling them that God will forgive them of their sins, but not completely?! This is no different than what so many already have... the false religions of the world that keep many in chains, when Christ is the one that sets us free from all of that.

God NEVER breaks His promises. And there's nothing conditional about eternal life.

Most Sabbatarian groups deny assurance of salvation on the weird premise that if one has assurance then one will not follow the law (especially the Sabbath).

 

[Rainrider]

It is when you break hermeneutical principles!
The NT interprets the OT!
Not the other way around...

But then, I guess law-keeping fanatics have to do things back-to-front to try and make things work...

Yet all I said was it is nuts to use scripture to interpret scripture. I didn't say one word of what part to use for what job. Funy how the things we say are so easily over looked in favor of what others want us to be saying.

 

[graceNpeace]

Yet all I said was it is nuts to use scripture to interpret scripture. I didn't say one word of what part to use for what job. Funy how the things we say are so easily over looked in favor of what others want us to be saying.

Face it, you were having a dig and it didn't work out for you...