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eternally-gratefull

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Is it not appropriate to heal on the sabbath? That was a question Jesus asked and answered.
Yep
Jesus worked on the sabbath.

He served people.

Most people in their jobs, they serve people/ take care of their needs. Thats why we work on saterday or sunday.
 

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Jesus worked on the sabbath.

He served people.

Most people in their jobs, they serve people/ take care of their needs. Thats why we work on saterday or sunday.
Yes , Jesus was compassionate , He would not ignore even an animal if it was to fall in a well on the Sabbath...
As for the Pharisees , well they would look at the animal and say " You can rescue it tomorrow , today is the Sabbath " they had no compassion at all...
...xox...
 
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Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters
(Colossians 3:23)
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because He had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
(John 5:16-17)​
whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
(Matthew 5:41)
what do you think is being misinterpreted?
I have no problem revisiting these verses... and going into what I believe is being misinterpreted about these verses (one at a time). I don't necessary have to address verses one verse at a time, but what you posted here is from three different books, three different authors and saying three different things. Plus, they are all vague statements... so to get the answer, more of the context would need to be included.

If you check my previous posts, I have addressed what I believed what was being misinterpreted for multiple other verses that have been brought up. However, nobody has done that for the verses that I brought up. So if we are going to exchange passages and our interpretations, you are going to have to start. If you are willing to do that we can have a conversation.
 
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Yes , Jesus was compassionate , He would not ignore even an animal if it was to fall in a well on the Sabbath...
As for the Pharisees , well they would look at the animal and say " You can rescue it tomorrow , today is the Sabbath " they had no compassion at all...
...xox...
They can’t be. When you are required to obey or else. You can’t even take a risk you may mess up. It’s all about you
what’s sad is. They can not even see this
 
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Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,


No Sabbath commands in the NT.
This verse is commonly taken out of context to support lawlessness, when it is actually saying the opposite of how its represented. These people being written to were Greek converts that were trying to keep the laws of the Father and being judged for it. Paul was saying not to let anyone judge you for KEEPING these laws.
 
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This verse is commonly taken out of context to support lawlessness, when it is actually saying the opposite of how its represented. These people being written to were Greek converts that were trying to keep the laws of the Father and being judged for it. Paul was saying not to let anyone judge you for KEEPING these laws.
He was also telling people who did not keep the jewish laws to not let anyone judge them either.

No where does it say they were trying to keep the law. That is nonsense you are adding to the word my friend.
 
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you want me to go through this thread and address every single post, but you won't address one point from me?
i don't have time to do that, frankly.


Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
(Matthew 5:42)
i'm not appealing to a pile of 'esoteric sayings of Paul' as you say, bruh, i'm pointing to Jesus.
did Jesus ever refuse to help anyone, '
because sabbath' ?
are we to treat all our work as tho we are working for God, yes or no?
I did not ask you to address every single post, I was just saying we could exchange passages one at a time. I'm just not going to be the one answering all the questions and addressing all the scriptures while people continue to ignore the scriptures I post.

There is only a small portion of the Messiahs life in scripture, so I don't believe its logical to assume whether or not he refused to help someone on the sabbath. I would have to do more research to know what day of the week it was when he kicked the money changers out of the temple, but he definitely wasn't on board with helping them sell. You also have to remember that whether they understood it correctly or not, people around the Messiah were trying to keep the law... So they would have known that working on the sabbath was a sin and they would know better than to request help regarding work. Even now, all businesses are closed on Saturday nationwide in Israel.

In that same chapter you just posted, the Messiah makes it clear that the law is not to go away until heaven and earth disappear (Matherw 5:18). This means that "give to him who asks you" in Mathew 5:42 resides in the context of keeping law. We can pull many vague verses out of scripture and make them mean what we want it to... but without knowing the subject matter, the culture, etc. we will not get the message how it was intended.
 

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This verse is commonly taken out of context to support lawlessness, when it is actually saying the opposite of how its represented. These people being written to were Greek converts that were trying to keep the laws of the Father and being judged for it. Paul was saying not to let anyone judge you for KEEPING these laws.
Nonsense!!
They had Judaizers telling them they had to keep the Law. It's kind of a 'theme' of the whole NT!

Colossians 2:14-16
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

The context here is absolutely clear. God through Christ has wiped out the handwriting of the requirements.
THEREFORE let no one judge you over those requirements.
 
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He was also telling people who did not keep the jewish laws to not let anyone judge them either.

No where does it say they were trying to keep the law. That is nonsense you are adding to the word my friend.
You have the freedom to believe as you want, but where is the scripture that supports in this letter to these people that he was also speaking to people that did not keep or want to keep the Father's law? What makes you draw the conclusion that this letter was written to two groups of people??

Just like the Pharisees, the people of Colossae had their doctrines of men that they would judge others on:


Colossians 2:20-22

20 If you have died with the Messiah to the basic principles of the world, why are you submitting to its decrees as though you still lived in the world? 21 “Don’t handle this! Don’t taste or touch that!” 22 All of these things will be destroyed as they are used, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

In many places in scripture there is a clear distinction between the commandments of men (human commands), and commandments of God. When the word "decrees" is used in scripture it is speaking of man's law. The people of Colossae were judging the believers who were trying to keep God's law... based off of their man made laws. That is the context.
 
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Nonsense!!
They had Judaizers telling them they had to keep the Law. It's kind of a 'theme' of the whole NT!

Colossians 2:14-16
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths

The context here is absolutely clear. God through Christ has wiped out the handwriting of the requirements.
THEREFORE let no one judge you over those requirements.
I Just elaborated on this... check my post before this
 
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Then you need to go to Exodus 16, that's the first time sabbath is mentioned in scripture.
Sure, you can get some info about it in Exo 16.... but the actual instructions on how to keep it is found in the 10 commandments.
 
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Yep
Jesus worked on the sabbath.

He served people.

Most people in their jobs, they serve people/ take care of their needs. Thats why we work on saterday or sunday.
WHY we do what we do is the spiritual component of the law. There is a big difference between God's work (E.g. healing or feeding people) and man's work.. E.g. Trying to make money to buy yourself a new tv. God's work is rooted in love, man's work rooted in self. We have six days to do mans work, we are to rest from that on the Sabbath. The money changers were thrown out of the temple for mixing the two. Money/materialistic things/things of the world should not be mixed with what is Holy (set apart) by the Father.
 
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so if your boss asks you to work on saturday, you should do it, and do it for free, and refuse pay
otherwise you sin against him because you leave him in need when it's in your hand to help, and you sin against God because you should treat your work as tho to God not your human boss, and you sin against your conscience because you think working for pay is wrong.


Do not say to your neighbor,
“Go, and come back, and tomorrow I will give it,
when you have it with you.
(Proverbs 3:28)
If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
(Matthew 5:40-42)
refusing to do what is asked of you is not what sabbath is about.
It all depends on what is being asked of you. Are you going to do something for your boss that you believe is immoral just because he asked? If he asks you to cheat, steal... maybe get him some drugs.... are you going to do it? Is it breaking Gods law not to it? Of course not!

You are not going to do these things simply because you believe that they are unethical.... and you should believe that. But I believe it is unethical to break any of the Fathers laws. The Father decides what's right and wrong... not our society, not the church. The Father's law is the measure of morality.
 
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Funny how I HAVE POSTED MOSES. I HAVE POSTED JAMES, AND I HAVE POSTED JESUS

and you have not remarked on any of these passages which PROVE they believed as James did
Funny, How you IGNORE PAUL, and make paul into CONTRADICTING THE REST OF THE WORD.

Face it dude. You are making the Bible a book that can not be trusted. As God had PAU:L WRITE MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, AND WE HAVE TO IGNORE WHAT PAUL SAID.

You keep hurting your own case man. You keep saying NO ONE posts other passsages, Yet you ignore every time we do.

We have responded to your passages. They do not say what you claim. You take them out of Context. And make them contradict other aspects of scripture. ALL SCRIPTURE (Including pauls) IS GOD BREATHED AND PROPHIITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION AND FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS

ALL scripture my friend. You can ignore half the NT just because it does not support your doctrines.
This is simply not true. I have addressed multiple verses in Romans, Colossians and Galatians.... I don't know if you missed those posts or are just lying, but the evidence is there if you want to go back and scroll through the posts.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have the freedom to believe as you want, but where is the scripture that supports in this letter to these people that he was also speaking to people that did not keep or want to keep the Father's law? What makes you draw the conclusion that this letter was written to two groups of people??

Just like the Pharisees, the people of Colossae had their doctrines of men that they would judge others on:


Colossians 2:20-22

20 If you have died with the Messiah to the basic principles of the world, why are you submitting to its decrees as though you still lived in the world? 21 “Don’t handle this! Don’t taste or touch that!” 22 All of these things will be destroyed as they are used, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

In many places in scripture there is a clear distinction between the commandments of men (human commands), and commandments of God. When the word "decrees" is used in scripture it is speaking of man's law. The people of Colossae were judging the believers who were trying to keep God's law... based off of their man made laws. That is the context.
Can you show me where they, as gentiles. Followed mosaic laws and customs? Since this is your claim?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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WHY we do what we do is the spiritual component of the law. There is a big difference between God's work (E.g. healing or feeding people) and man's work.. E.g. Trying to make money to buy yourself a new tv. God's work is rooted in love, man's work rooted in self. We have six days to do mans work, we are to rest from that on the Sabbath. The money changers were thrown out of the temple for mixing the two. Money/materialistic things/things of the world should not be mixed with what is Holy (set apart) by the Father.
so there work and your work is different how?

If I have to work on yesterday it is not to make money. At the same time. I do not mock my employer and tell them I can not work on Saturday if I am required. Because in my job, I serve people. not self.

Your assuming and judging based on your belief system not on reality.
 
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This is simply not true. I have addressed multiple verses in Romans, Colossians and Galatians.... I don't know if you missed those posts or are just lying, but the evidence is there if you want to go back and scroll through the posts.
That is simply not true.

every time I have posted what Moses said about the curse of the law. And what James said about keeping every word yet stumbling in one point. You have simply ignored. and then later state you have answered.
 

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You have the freedom to believe as you want, but where is the scripture that supports in this letter to these people that he was also speaking to people that did not keep or want to keep the Father's law? What makes you draw the conclusion that this letter was written to two groups of people??

Just like the Pharisees, the people of Colossae had their doctrines of men that they would judge others on:


Colossians 2:20-22

20 If you have died with the Messiah to the basic principles of the world, why are you submitting to its decrees as though you still lived in the world? 21 “Don’t handle this! Don’t taste or touch that!” 22 All of these things will be destroyed as they are used, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

In many places in scripture there is a clear distinction between the commandments of men (human commands), and commandments of God. When the word "decrees" is used in scripture it is speaking of man's law. The people of Colossae were judging the believers who were trying to keep God's law... based off of their man made laws. That is the context.
Who had dietary laws saying 'do not eat' - Jews or Greeks?

So who is Paul warning about, Jews or Greeks? Who would be persecuting them for eating certain things? Who would be trying to convince them they had to follow certain laws about food and drink?
 
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typical lawyer reaction to the truth. Once again you have paul LIEING and not knowing what he is talking about. And paul out the james trump card thinking you have won the argument.

Face it man, You stihl lose

Paul spoke to people like you. Lawyers who think they can obey the law. Who think they must earn their salvation by works. Who think the way to God is through our own works of righteousness. Hence he stated a fact. Abraham was found APART from works. If you would study more and not pick and chose which parts of the Bible you want to listen to and what parts to reject. You would know by reading in genesis. That Abraham was saved because he believed God BEFORE he did any works, His works of faith came AFTER his salvation by faith. Hence as Paul said in Ephesians 2 We are saved By GRACE through faith, not by works. But our new creation is that we work.

James on the other hand, is talking to people who are hears of the word only. Not doers. People who think they believe and maybe say some sinners prayer. And are saved, now they can live however they want.

Notice what James said. Did he say they had faith?

James 2: 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

1. He says they claim to have faith’
2. He asks the question. Can that CLAIMED faith save them.

Did Abrahams faith come without works? Read hebrews 11. EVERYONE who had faith proved that faith by works. There was not a person on that list of faith that did not work after their salvation. BECAUSE WORKS ARE A RESULT OF FAITH

So James, in fighting licentious people. Ask them to PROPVE they had faith by their works (he was talking directly to those people. Not to people like you demanding you fruit inspect other people to see if they are saved or not) To test their own faith. If YOU CLAIM to have faith. But your a hearer not a doer. Can your faith save you. His answer was NO! Pauls answer is NO! They did not contradict each other, they are in agreement. (paul did not talk with licentious people he spoke to legalistic people like you. So you must read pauls message in context).

Even demons believe, mere belief never saved anyone.

If you think your saved by how good you are. You a=have not been taught by the law. As James said, If you keep the WHOLE LAW yet stumble in just one point, your guilty of all. James made it clear. No one is good enough. NO ONE!

Your not good enough my friend, You are in danger.
Im just now seeing this post...

Someone earlier in the thread pointed to following passage as evidence for Abraham being justified by faith ALONE and not by actions as well:


Romans 4:1-6

4 What, then, are we to say about Abraham, our human ancestor? 2 For if Abraham was justified by actions, he would have had something to boast about—though not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation. 5 However, to someone who does not work, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessedness of the person whom God regards as righteous apart from actions:


"IF" you do not believe that Paul here is saying that we are justified by faith ALONE, then we do not have a disagreement. I have never stated that it was ONLY our actions that we are justified by.... My position has always been that it requires BOTH works AND faith... the physical AND the spiritual.

I also agree that works should be a "result of faith", however my position is that if the works are not there after we learn of the law, then maybe we have faith in the wrong things.