Sabbath

[Studyman]

Those prophecies came later in his life. And of course there are prophecies that Jesus did not fulfill, that will be fulfilled at his second coming or after that.

I think it's interesting to Note 2 that Jesus fulfilled the law, yet he did not perform every Duty prescribed by the law, because some of them would not apply to him. For example levirate marriage.

So yes, "ALL" of the Law and Prophets have not yet been fulfilled.

I would say there is most certainly a marriage coming, it has not yet been fulfilled. But I think it is wrong to say the priesthood marriage rites doesn't pertain to Him.

Rev. 19:
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

So again, the Christ came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and nothing in them shall pass before He has finished His Work. This is why He had it written for His people as part of their ARMOR against the wiles of the devil.

Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Praise Him who was killed, but rose from the dead to perform "ALL" that was written in the Law and the Prophets.

 

[Studyman]

you're proving my point.

the Law is unshakingly clear: a murderer, a rapist, an adulterer must be put to death.
there's no 'sacrifice' for murder & rape & adultery, and there is no 'if he shows he's sorry' clause in the Law.

David wasn't pardoned by the Law. He was pardoned by someone greater than the Law, who was able to set the Law aside.
his sins weren't 'covered' ((atoned)) -- they were removed
the Law does not remove sin: the sacrifices cover ((atone for)) it. this is testifying of Christ, as all scripture does, and it is testifying that in Him there is a setting aside of the Law: a commutation of the righteous justice the Law demands.

I never said the "LAW" forgave David, you made that up to defend your religion. God granted David Mercy. That is what I said, and that is what the Law promised.

The Law is unshaking clear. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.

Lev. 26:39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Is this not repentance? In your religion, does repentance exist? Does it matter?

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Once again, you have omitted the "Mercy" God promised, in the Law, to David before He was even born.

How is it God can forgive David, but you can't.

 

[Studyman]

don't lie, dude.
liars do not enter the kingdom.

the son of the adulterous rape paid the price, not David.
and that is not what the Law commands.
that is a picture of Christ.

Wow, your hatred of David is fascinating. The murdering rapist David, the Apple of God Eye, wasn't punished for his sin, his new born baby was.

So in your religion he must have raped Bathsheba again and this time God Loved him.

OK Post, I'm done here.

 

[posthuman]

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

under the Law the price of adultery and murder is death: the punishment of David's iniquity.
the scripture records: David didn't pay it.
the scripture says: his sin was removed.
this didn't take place according to the Law, but according to something greater.
this took place according to Someone who is able to set aside the Law.

Wow, your hatred of David is fascinating.

i'm talking about Jesus the Christ, glorifying Him, and all you report that you see is hatred is confusion.
dude, you appear to have been done for a long time. before you ever joined the forum.

nevertheless, what is the appropriate response to "can these bones live?"
it's "LORD, thou knowest"

 

[Magenta]

under the Law the price of adultery and murder is death: the punishment of David's iniquity.
the scripture records: David didn't pay it.
the scripture says: his sin was removed.
this didn't take place according to the Law, but according to something greater.
this took place according to Someone who is able to set aside the Law.



i'm talking about Jesus the Christ, glorifying Him, and all you report that you see is hatred is confusion.
dude, you appear to have been done for a long time. before you ever joined the forum.

nevertheless, what is the appropriate response to "can these bones live?"
it's "LORD, thou knowest"

 

[Studyman]

under the Law the price of adultery and murder is death: the punishment of David's iniquity.
the scripture records: David didn't pay it.
the scripture says: his sin was removed.
this didn't take place according to the Law, but according to something greater.
this took place according to Someone who is able to set aside the Law.



i'm talking about Jesus the Christ, glorifying Him, and all you report that you see is hatred is confusion.
dude, you appear to have been done for a long time. before you ever joined the forum.

nevertheless, what is the appropriate response to "can these bones live?"
it's "LORD, thou knowest"

I think many reject the Weightier matters "OF THE LAW" like Mercy, Judgment and Faith. The Lev. 26 verse is just as much a part of the law of God as "he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." IMO. Men hear the one they want, and reject the other. Isn't this the same thing the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did?

David, was just as dead as Paul, or anyone else that sins and it was the same Mercy promised to David as was promised to Paul. It was the same Mercy given to David as it was to Paul. You don't condemn Paul as a murderer and liar, but you do David. You don't condemn Paul for all the widows he created, and the children who lost their fathers because he murdered them. Yet they were both condemned by the same God, and forgiven by the same God, given Grace the same God.

How you can read about David and refuse to acknowledge that he was punished for his sin is astonishing.

Blindness, sickness, there are many things brought on mankind as a result of their rebellion towards God. Just as the "Giver of Grace" promised in the scriptures. All that is left is for man to "Believe" them. Man's "unbelief" doesn't make His Word's Void. At least according to Him.

 

[gb9]

I think many reject the Weightier matters "OF THE LAW" like Mercy, Judgment and Faith. The Lev. 26 verse is just as much a part of the law of God as "he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." IMO. Men hear the one they want, and reject the other. Isn't this the same thing the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time did?

David, was just as dead as Paul, or anyone else that sins and it was the same Mercy promised to David as was promised to Paul. It was the same Mercy given to David as it was to Paul. You don't condemn Paul as a murderer and liar, but you do David. You don't condemn Paul for all the widows he created, and the children who lost their fathers because he murdered them. Yet they were both condemned by the same God, and forgiven by the same God, given Grace the same God.

How you can read about David and refuse to acknowledge that he was punished for his sin is astonishing.

Blindness, sickness, there are many things brought on mankind as a result of their rebellion towards God. Just as the "Giver of Grace" promised in the scriptures. All that is left is for man to "Believe" them. Man's "unbelief" doesn't make His Word's Void. At least according to Him.

so, you rail constantly about the Law, until post says something you can't spin , as you normally do.

then you start talking about grace. nice.

have you ever considered maybe actually think about and reading up on what someone tells you, instead of the instant something gets 1 inch outside your religious box, you dismiss it and attack the other person who said it.

we are all human beings . it is a 100% fact that you ( or me ) could be wrong , and someone else is right.

 

[Dan_473]

So yes, "ALL" of the Law and Prophets have not yet been fulfilled.

I would say there is most certainly a marriage coming, it has not yet been fulfilled. But I think it is wrong to say the priesthood marriage rites doesn't pertain to Him.

Rev. 19:
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

So again, the Christ came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and nothing in them shall pass before He has finished His Work. This is why He had it written for His people as part of their ARMOR against the wiles of the devil.

Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Praise Him who was killed, but rose from the dead to perform "ALL" that was written in the Law and the Prophets.

I have always maintained that Jesus did not fulfill all prophecies regarding him in his first coming. That is different from saying he did not fulfill the law and the prophets.

I just used levirate marriage as an example. Do you believe that Jesus will marry his dead brother's wife? But maybe a different example would be good, maybe the example of taking a war bride? A wife from among the prisoners of War by force? Shaving her head?

 

[The7thdayrest]

it was a command for the nation of Israel only. it was never commanded for gentiles. we are to take a day of rest, as God the father instituted in the Creation, but non-jews were never under the Sabbath command.

was not the sabbath made for man... and not man for the sabbath.

Man = only Jews ??? or Man = The human race/ everybody on this earth.

 

[The7thdayrest]

if the Bible speaks about made for man.. this does not pertain to one race, it means to human-race .. the word "man" came out of the Word "human" in this sentence.

 

[The7thdayrest]

There are two meanings for "Sabbath". One is the seventh-day rest, instituted by God at the end of the creation week. This was reinforced in Exodus 20 as a commandment for Israel. They were to rest from all labour.

The other meaning is the eternal rest, into which we enter by trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation. We rest from all effort at attaining our salvation by works.

the Sabbath was made for man, not only for Jews, so we are to rest from all labour not only the Jews.

and Where did you get this thing about eternal rest?? pls quote scripture to back that up.

 

[The7thdayrest]

...Which is now practiced spiritually instead of physically.

i would be the to dare to ask you what you mean by this.

 

[OneFaith]

i would be the to dare to ask you what you mean by this.

In the old testament things were done physically that are now done spiritually in the new testament. We no longer sacrifice a physically perfect lamb, we have the spiritually perfect Lamb of God. We no longer physically take sinners outside the city and stone them to death, we disfellowship with them until they die to their sin. We no longer physically rest on a physical day, our spiritual sabbath is called the peace that surpasses understanding.

"These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ."

"When completion (of the bible) comes, what was only in part (prophets, miracles, physical ways) will soon disappear (as soon as all Christ's twelve apostles die and the bible is finished).

 

[EvangAlived]

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

Genesis 2:1-3; (see also, Genesis 18:19, 26:5, &c.)​

Exodus 5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3​

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Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2​

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Numbers 15:32, 28:9​

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Deuteronomy 5:12-15​

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2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18​

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1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31​

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2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3​

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Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22​

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Psalms 92:1, 146:6​

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Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23​

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Jeremiah 17:21-27​

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Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12​

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Amos 8:5​

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The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:

Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;​

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Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;​

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Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;​

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John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;​

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Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;​

Additional references are:

John 12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)​

Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]​

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Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc​

Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn​

Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn​

Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn​

Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou​

Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn​

John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn​

John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn​

Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn​

1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn​

That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

 

[EvangAlived]

"These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ."

It seems like a quotation from Colossians 2:17, yes?

Here is the Bible (KJB):

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:​

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Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.​

Are you interested in studying where Paul is quoting from, and in what context are these words, and their specific meanings? When thoroughly studied prayerfully, Colossians 2, does not designate the holy seventh day the Sabbath of the LORD, of the 4th commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) as "shadow". Are you willing to consider the scriptural evidence of this with me? I am asking for open honest study.

 

[Dino246]

the Sabbath was made for man, not only for Jews, so we are to rest from all labour not only the Jews.

and Where did you get this thing about eternal rest?? pls quote scripture to back that up.

My apologies; Scripture doesn't use the term "eternal" in Hebrews 4, from which I was drawing my idea. The idea that the rest is ongoing is from that passage...

3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,

“As I swore in My wrath,
They shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying [c]through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if [d]Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

Verses 3 and 11 suggest that the rest is ongoing, hence my paraphrase of "eternal". That the believer has entered rest as God did (v. 10) hints at the rest being something other than one day a week. God didn't begin creating again on the eighth day.

 

[EmilyFoster]

It’s good of you to start this discussion, friend. I believe that observance of a weekly day of worship, whether it be Sunday, Saturday, or any other day, should never be allowed to become a matter of religious legalism. The Apostle Paul warns us against this specifically when he says, "Let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day – things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Colossians 2:16, 17). Christ has set us free for something better: namely, the pursuit of holiness and fellowship with the living God as a daily lifestyle. Our highest calling is to glorify God every day of our lives, while also setting aside special times for worship with fellow believers (Hebrews 10:25). Our goal is to say, with the Psalmist, "I will bless the Lord at all times: His praise shall continually be in my mouth" (Psalm 34:1).

I recently came across this reading on this topic: bit.ly/2zsdA8u. God's richest blessings, wisdom and guidance you!

 

[EvangAlived]

should never be allowed to become a matter of religious legalism.

It's (Sabbath of the LORD my God; Exodus 20:8-11) not about "legalism". Wrong word. It's about "Love", obeying (John 14:15; Exodus 20:6) my Heavenly Father because He loves me.

 

[EvangAlived]

he Apostle Paul warns us against this specifically when he says, "Let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day – things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" (Colossians 2:16, 17).

For one, your quotation doesn't accurately translate the Koine Greek, since it is plural, 'sabbaths', but it is specific in its intent. So, I will ask you what I asked another:

It seems like a quotation from Colossians 2:17, yes?

Here is the Bible (KJB):

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Are you interested in studying where Paul is quoting from, and in what context are these words, and their specific meanings? When thoroughly studied prayerfully, Colossians 2, does not designate the holy seventh day the Sabbath of the LORD, of the 4th commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) as "shadow". Are you willing to consider the scriptural evidence of this with me? I am asking for open honest study.

 

[EvangAlived]

Our goal is to say, with the Psalmist, "I will bless the Lord at all times: His praise shall continually be in my mouth" (Psalm 34:1).

Sabbath commandment, encompasses the whole week, all six working days and the 7th day of the LORD, of rest, as per Exodus 20:8-11.

Psalms 34:1 is perfectly harmonious with that command.

Transgression of the commandment (1 John 3:4), on the other hand, is disobedience to God's perfect will (Psalm 40:8) of love, and therefore not praise, but seeking to do thine own things, and speaking thine own words, as per (Isaiah 58:13).