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posthuman

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The Ten Commandments are the spiritual moral Law. God's morality, does not change, since it is His character.
Jesus, Paul and James all witness that in Leviticus 19:18 is the basis and fulfillment of all of the law. not the decalogue.
 

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Clean and Unclean is not man's law. It is God's Law from the beginning. Man (Adam) fell on the temptation of diet to eat that which was forbidden to him to eat.

Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

1Co_6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Isa_65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Isa_66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

You are warned. If you need more detail, I can so give, however this thread is "sabbath".
Eating ham is Mans Law. Clean and unclean laws are also spiritual laws that men have turned into carnal laws just like they do with the other laws like the 10 commandments.

There is nothing spiritual about abstaining from ham. But having a Clean Heart where evil thoughts do no proceed from IS spiritual.


Matthew 15:17-20
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
 

Grandpa

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Who does the Bible say that the "fool" is?

Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psa_53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

They say, "No." to God when God asks them to obey Him in His commandment (Exodus 20:8-11; John 14:15, Exodus 20:6), and thus deny Him.

The Law of Ten Commandments is "good".

Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

But there are those who say, "Lord, lord" and do not "do" what He commands. As it is said, honoured through lip service alone.
The bible says that the fool is the one who goes back to working at the law after becoming Christian.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Why is it foolish to go back to working at the law?

Because the law DOESN'T make anyone righteous. If it did make a person righteous then we would all need to do it.

But there is a problem as well trying to make people go back to their work at the law for "obedience".

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

See? You can't just decide to work at some of the law and ignore the rest. Cursed is EVERYONE who doesn't continue in ALL THINGS which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Its much better to treat the 10 commandments as the Spiritual Law that they are instead of trying to turn them into a Carnal Law that a person can work at and fulfill in their own strength and understanding.

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Which one is the Christian under, which one does the Christian obey?

The ministration of death written on stone? Nope. That's for people who have not come to Christ that still have their heart of stone.

The ministration of Righteousness is the One the Christian is under and it is the Ministration of the Spirit that the Christian Obeys.

The carnal understanding and the carnal fulfillment of the law is broken by the Christian (in some cases) but the Real Spiritual intent is kept.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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many words mark the speech of a fool.
There you go again, condemning others for something you yourself do. With over 19 thousand posts racked up in your name, it's beyond me how you can even think to speak unfavorably to someone in that regard.
 

Grandpa

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"law" of Priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-12) changed from Levitical to Melchizedekal. Not Ten Commandments 'unchangable' (Malachi 3:6, again being a written transcript of His perfect will and character, Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-6; Psalms 40:8) and "forever" (Psalms 119:44), see the context.

The Law of Ten Comamndments exists, which is why you and I need Jesus' priesthood to minister His sacrifice in the Heaevnly True Tabernacle.
You didn't read carefully enough.

Because the Priesthood changed the Law (10 commandments) also changed.

Hebrews 7:16-19
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The 10 commandments being a carnal law, like they started out as in ancient times, is disannulled because it is weak and unprofitable.

Why is it weak and unprofitable? Because the law made nothing perfect but our New Priest does.

If this was talking about the "law" of priesthood then it would only be mentioning Levitical Priests as the ones who were not made perfect by their law but the bringing in of a better hope would by the which THEY draw nigh to God.

But it doesn't say that. Because it is talking about the Law that EVERYONE is under at one point or another. Which is the 10 commandments.


Its funny how much twisting of scripture the SDAand Hebrew roots has to do in order to force their incorrect philosophy onto scripture.
 

posthuman

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See, you quoted only part of my post, but then you ridicule others for doing that.
no i don't. never have.

i took issued with this dude because he quoted a question i asked him and wrote a lot of words not having anything at all to do with my question he quoted.
i said then, if you're not going to even talk about what you quote, better off not quoting it at all.

you sometimes have trouble understanding things, K.
 

posthuman

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There you go again, condemning others for something you yourself do. With over 19 thousand posts racked up in your name, it's beyond me how you can even think to speak unfavorably to someone in that regard.
i only quoted the scripture, K.
if it convicts you, rejoice that your eye is open.
 

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over 19 thousand posts racked up in your name
in over 5 years, during two of which i was bedridden with a serious health condition and did little else than read the Bible and talk about it here.
& a whole lot of my post history is wordless, sharing spiritual songs in the music section. but whether i say more than is prudent is immaterial to the truth of what Solomon wrote.
 
put all the effort you want, Christ followers were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.
John 14:15; Exodus 20:6, for one, but the entrirety of Hebrews 3-4 is a direct commandment, when studied in detail.

Let me know when you would like to study that together, verse by verse.
 
Ecclesiastes 5:3
many words mark the speech of a fool.
Ecclesiastes 5:3, refers to words of a "fool" (those who deny God saying, "No" to God when He asks them to "do" and "keep" His commandments) which is speaking of men, not God's word (even His Commandments), who is never a fool, which I posted.

I am commanded to preach to dead men's bones anyway.
 
There you go again, condemning others for something you yourself do. With over 19 thousand posts racked up in your name, it's beyond me how you can even think to speak unfavorably to someone in that regard.
Hi sister, thank you for the support. I wouldn't worry too much about such 'responses' though. It demonstrates their true position and heart. Anyways, I have a gift for you - http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn

"... freely ye have received, freely give." - Matthew 10:8
 

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in over 5 years, during two of which i was bedridden with a serious health condition and did little else than read the Bible and talk about it here.
& a whole lot of my post history is wordless, sharing spiritual songs in the music section. but whether i say more than is prudent is immaterial to the truth of what Solomon wrote.
So true, that a person can post without using a lot of words, or even without using any words. Conflating number of posts with excessive wordiness is a logical fallacy :)
 

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In your one thousand eight hundred and eighty three days here, you have made an average of ten posts a day :D
 
The Sabbath of the LORD my God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was sanctified, bless and made Holy by God's resting, and yet it was "made" (created) for the man, Adam, and all humanity in him (Mark 2:27-28).
 

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The Sabbath of the LORD my God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was sanctified, bless and made Holy by God's resting, and yet it was "made" (created) for the man, Adam, and all humanity in him (Mark 2:27-28).
just curious - ellen white- false teacher or not?
 
just curious - ellen white- false teacher or not?
I am a true Seventh-day Adventist, by God's grace, and therefore, sister White, is not a 'false teacher'. I pray you do not make this thread about that godly woman. Feel free to begin another thread on it elsewhere and I may join you there (maybe).