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Studyman

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John 10 - Jesus said Himself that he would lay His life down, no one could take it from Him, He could lay it down, and He could take it up again.

He specifically said He had the authority to do so.

only God can say this.

so, you accept this truth, that Jesus was fully God and fully man, or your opinions remain invalid.
God, as a God, can not die by definition. The only way for Him to offer His life for mine, was to become Flesh and Blood human. You can't accept that a human being is capable of following God's Sabbaths and laws because your entire religion is based on that lie. That man "CAN NOT" obey God. So in your religion, the Messiah was not Human, but immortal, with powers humans didn't have. This way when the going got tough, as it does with all humans, He just kicked in some God powers other humans don't have and that is how He was victorious over death.

This would be like cheating. Any human who was also immortal and a God could do what He did. So in your religion, He didn't do anything special, He didn't risk anything, He wasn't Flesh and Blood as the scriptures say. He was a man only in appearance.

This teaching is "AGAINST CHRIST", the Christ of the Bible. You replaced the human Messiah who risked everything out of Love of us, with a long haired men's hair shampoo model who risked nothing, who had nothing to lose.

I believe the man Jesus, was raised from the dead and given the immortality He had, as the Word of God, that He risked for His People. That is His Great Love for us.

As a God He could become a human and adhere to the Salvation plan He created which says the wages of sin is death. He never sinned as a human, therefore death could not hold Him according to God's Law which He said Lasts forever.

By preaching that He wasn't really a human, but also immortal God as well, you diminish His sacrifice and cheapen His victory.

You don't know this because you don't have the spirit of truth. You don't have the spirit of Truth because you don't really "Believe" in the Messiah described in the Bible. And as the Mainstream Preachers before you, you hate anyone who would love you enough to endure your scorn by showing you His Truth.

So far, God has been proven correct in everything He has inspired to be written. These miracles are a great Faith builder for me and I thank God every day for them.
 

posthuman

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The long haired men's hair shampoo model the Catholics created that you call Jesus
what is it your heart that causes you constantly slander others, without repentance?
what law is that at work in you?
 

posthuman

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God, as a God, can not die by definition. The only way for Him to offer His life for mine, was to become Flesh and Blood human. You can't accept that a human being is capable of following God's Sabbaths and laws because your entire religion is based on that lie. That man "CAN NOT" obey God. So in your religion, the Messiah was not Human, but immortal, with powers humans didn't have. This way when the going got tough, as it does with all humans, He just kicked in some God powers other humans don't have and that is how He was victorious over death.

This would be like cheating. Any human who was also immortal and a God could do what He did. So in your religion, He didn't do anything special, He didn't risk anything, He wasn't Flesh and Blood as the scriptures say. He was a man only in appearance.

This teaching is "AGAINST CHRIST", the Christ of the Bible. You replaced the human Messiah who risked everything out of Love of us, with a long haired men's hair shampoo model who risked nothing, who had nothing to lose.

I believe the man Jesus, was raised from the dead and given the immortality He had, as the Word of God, that He risked for His People. That is His Great Love for us.

As a God He could become a human and adhere to the Salvation plan He created which says the wages of sin is death. He never sinned as a human, therefore death could not hold Him according to God's Law which He said Lasts forever.

By preaching that He wasn't really a human, but also immortal God as well, you diminish His sacrifice and cheapen His victory.

You don't know this because you don't have the spirit of truth. You don't have the spirit of Truth because you don't really "Believe" in the Messiah described in the Bible. And as the Mainstream Preachers before you, you hate anyone who would love you enough to endure your scorn by showing you His Truth.

So far, God has been proven correct in everything He has inspired to be written. These miracles are a great Faith builder for me and I thank God every day for them.
by preaching that He is not God you are making His work worthless.
Zechariah or Elizabeth could have died on the cross and taken away the sin of the world?
the Law doesn't accept human sacrifice, dude. this is something else entirely.
 

JaumeJ

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Because of my life time of witnessing many denominations from within, I have come to realize there is no such item as a denomination that rightly handles the Word of God.

If a person exposes anyone or any group that is false, it is a service to the truth and can never be deemed as slanderous.

I love all people more who call upon Jesus, Yeshua, in Spirit and Truth even though they arre espoused first to denomination for when the children are called out of the Great Harlot, it is certain they will also be called out of all of her daughters for she is the mother of harlots.
 

gb9

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God, as a God, can not die by definition. The only way for Him to offer His life for mine, was to become Flesh and Blood human. You can't accept that a human being is capable of following God's Sabbaths and laws because your entire religion is based on that lie. That man "CAN NOT" obey God. So in your religion, the Messiah was not Human, but immortal, with powers humans didn't have. This way when the going got tough, as it does with all humans, He just kicked in some God powers other humans don't have and that is how He was victorious over death.

This would be like cheating. Any human who was also immortal and a God could do what He did. So in your religion, He didn't do anything special, He didn't risk anything, He wasn't Flesh and Blood as the scriptures say. He was a man only in appearance.

This teaching is "AGAINST CHRIST", the Christ of the Bible. You replaced the human Messiah who risked everything out of Love of us, with a long haired men's hair shampoo model who risked nothing, who had nothing to lose.

I believe the man Jesus, was raised from the dead and given the immortality He had, as the Word of God, that He risked for His People. That is His Great Love for us.

As a God He could become a human and adhere to the Salvation plan He created which says the wages of sin is death. He never sinned as a human, therefore death could not hold Him according to God's Law which He said Lasts forever.

By preaching that He wasn't really a human, but also immortal God as well, you diminish His sacrifice and cheapen His victory.

You don't know this because you don't have the spirit of truth. You don't have the spirit of Truth because you don't really "Believe" in the Messiah described in the Bible. And as the Mainstream Preachers before you, you hate anyone who would love you enough to endure your scorn by showing you His Truth.

So far, God has been proven correct in everything He has inspired to be written. These miracles are a great Faith builder for me and I thank God every day for them.
when you can calm a storm, feed thousands of people with a loaf of bread and a few fish, know other's thoughts, and raise people from the dead, hit me up .

until then, I will not waste anymore time having a discussion with someone who spits on the Words of Christ.
 

Studyman

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what is it your heart that causes you constantly slander others, without repentance?
what law is that at work in you?
I'm not slandering G9 or you Post. It's the truth of the scriptures which sting you and expose your doctrines. I am not sorry for showing you these things.

Ex. 20:
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Titus 1:
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Mainstream religion of the time)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. (To promote religious lifestyles)
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
 

gb9

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Because of my life time of witnessing many denominations from within, I have come to realize there is no such item as a denomination that rightly handles the Word of God.

If a person exposes anyone or any group that is false, it is a service to the truth and can never be deemed as slanderous.

I love all people more who call upon Jesus, Yeshua, in Spirit and Truth even though they arre espoused first to denomination for when the children are called out of the Great Harlot, it is certain they will also be called out of all of her daughters for she is the mother of harlots.
and you agree with utter disrespect that knows nothing man showed by not believing Jesus's own words.

but, then again, you think " real knowing Christians do not need to read Paul's letters, they are for churches who had problems ". so, I guess no real surprise here.
 

posthuman

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John 10 - Jesus said Himself that he would lay His life down, no one could take it from Him, He could lay it down, and He could take it up again.

He specifically said He had the authority to do so.

only God can say this.
does not sound 'risky' on His part to me; sounds omnipotent and omniscient.
 

posthuman

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I'm not slandering G9 or you Post. It's the truth of the scriptures which sting you and expose your doctrines. I am not sorry for showing you these things.

Ex. 20:
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Titus 1:
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Mainstream religion of the time)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. (To promote religious lifestyles)
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
uh huh which part of what anyone you constantly bear false witness about has ever said indicates they believe the anglicized iconography is an accurate portrait?

the truth is that you have the things you hate, and you superimpose them on everyone who corrects you. you have a false interpretation of Colossians 2, and i told you so, so you started calling me a catholic hedonist. because i showed you the flaws in your private interpretation of the passage you've ceaselessly slandered me on completely unrelated matters for a year, without repentance.

same with others. what did gb9 say that indicates he thinks Jesus is blonde hair blue eyed flower child? but you accuse without cause.

"a curse causeless will not fall"

your conversation and manner are not very cool. been telling you. but you think you are our teacher??
 

gb9

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uh huh which part of what anyone you constantly bear false witness about has ever said indicates they believe the anglicized iconography is an accurate portrait?

the truth is that you have the things you hate, and you superimpose them on everyone who corrects you. you have a false interpretation of Colossians 2, and i told you so, so you started calling me a catholic hedonist. because i showed you the flaws in your private interpretation of the passage you've ceaselessly slandered me on completely unrelated matters for a year, without repentance.

same with others. what did gb9 say that indicates he thinks Jesus is blonde hair blue eyed flower child? but you accuse without cause.

"a curse causeless will not fall"

your conversation and manner are not very cool. been telling you. but you think you are our teacher??
I just simply believe what Jesus said about His authority. either he was telling the truth about what He could do, or he was not.

so, when He says that He had the authority to lay down His life and take it up again, I simply believe Him.

I just have this weird personal theology that I read the text and believe it as written. I do not feel any need to re-arrange it to suit my beliefs, ( here is the strange part ) I let the text FORM my beliefs.
 

Karraster

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Kinda the same thing with the first murder... there were no commandments at that time but Cain knew he was wrong in murdering Able. God's law has always been in existence even if it wasn't written on stone in the garden lots of implications apparent. With the conversation God had with Cain about the murder....
Exactly. Also within that line of reasoning, how was it that Noah knew the difference between clean/unclean in relation to animals? Not everything was written down, but we have empirical evidence.
 

Karraster

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God plainly says that the very first seventh day was a Sabbath...


Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The seventh day of creation week was blessed and called a Sabbath.

The Sabbath was clearly in a practice before Mt. Sinai...

Exo 16:23 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.' "
Exo 16:24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it.
Exo 16:25 Then Moses said, "Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none."

The Commandments were also in effect before Mt. Sinai...

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?

Well before Mt. Sinai...

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

At Abraham's time the Commandments, Statutes and Laws were known and kept.
great to see you! I've missed your posts/insight around here. :)
 

posthuman

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Exactly. Also within that line of reasoning, how was it that Noah knew the difference between clean/unclean in relation to animals? Not everything was written down, but we have empirical evidence.
was Adam circumcised?
 

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but, then again, you think " real knowing Christians do not need to read Paul's letters, they are for churches who had problems ". so, I guess no real surprise here.
Did he actually say this?
 

JaumeJ

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Exactly. Also within that line of reasoning, how was it that Noah knew the difference between clean/unclean in relation to animals? Not everything was written down, but we have empirical evidence.
The laws have been since Adam handed down as oral tradition . Following the orl tradition continue from Noah. We all know, at least most know, that the law was given to Moses to write down……….and Moses was obliged to wear a veil when he presented it to the people.

Jesus, Yeshua, has removed that veil……….though many yet read all of the scripturew blinded by the same, even the New Testament....
 

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To keep it simple, I think we are back to the original intent of the Sabbath. Christ being the fullfillment there of. That it holy because Christ is holy and he is the Sabbath. Therefore our rest is in Christ. Our rest being in Christ, however does not change that we must participate in that rest inorder to achieve and obtain said rest thereby keeping it holy. Not that we can make it unholy ; because it is holy regardless of us, but keeping it actively holy in our lives.
 

gb9

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Did he actually say this?
he said something to the effect of that" we can learn all we need to know from Christ, and that Paul's letters were for churches that had problems, and if we do not have those problems , we have no need to read the letters."

it was many months ago, in a long- closed thread, I do not have time to dig it up, but, that was basically what he said.
 

Studyman

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by preaching that He is not God you are making His work worthless.
Zechariah or Elizabeth could have died on the cross and taken away the sin of the world?
the Law doesn't accept human sacrifice, dude. this is something else entirely.
The Bible teaches that the Word of God became Flesh. You don't believe He came as a Flesh and Blood human, risking His immortality for men, many don't "believe" He was a man. This teaching comes, not from the God of the Bible, but the god of this world.

1 John 4:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The Christ Himself said:

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Abraham, Zechariahs Simeon, the Wise men, Anna, all sinned in their lives as the scriptures tell us. But they repented when God Called them, and they spent the rest of their lives allowing God and His Word to guide them. They couldn't have represented the "bullock without blemish" as did the Christ who became Flesh and Blood because they were guilty, that the Christ was not..

The obvious point is, it is nothing for God to live without sin. It is a Great achievement and shows GREAT LOVE for a human to deny himself and Love and Trust God enough to live without sin.

You make the Sacrifice of the Christ nothing when you preach to others that God didn't risk His Life, didn't have anything to lose, didn't resist sin as a human, but as God.

You preach, as I have pointed out, many things about God and His Word which are not truth. Jesus didn't do that, it's called "SIN".

You say "the Law doesn't accept human sacrifice,"

And yet you preach God killed David's son to pay for David's sin.

You are so busy accusing David, Me, and anyone else who points out your error that you can't see the enemy that has already snared you. Of course that is impossible in your mind because you have been convinced you are already there, already saved.

So if you "believe" the Pharisees were following God's Laws "to the letter" even though the Christ Himself told you they were not, you will not believe the Christ became a man.

If you believe God's Laws are "traditions of men" and ""Rudiments of the World", even when God's Word tells you they are not, then you will believe the Christ wasn't really an man.

If you believe God didn't punish David for his sin, contrary to what the Word of God which became Flesh tells us,, then you will believe The Christ never was a man.

Mankind has been preaching falsehood's about God's Word since Cain and Abel. All man has been deceived as it is written, even the great King David. It's what happens when our deceit is exposed that God looks on. Do we humble our self to the Word of God and repent, as did David and all examples of faith in the Bible?? Or do we make excuses for our sins, and strive to "silence" the messenger as Cain did, and the Congregation of the Lord did to Caleb, and as the Jews did to Jeremiah, and as The Mainstream Church of the Christ's time did to the Prophets, to Him and to Stephen?

These are discussions God's People should be having, not amending, twisting, erasing and omitting God's Word to justify religious man's lifestyle.
 

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there is a first time time the seventh day is mentioned in scripture, and then there is a first time that an observation of a sabbath is commanded and observed. those are not concurrent; God's rest and His blessing of it is in the opening of Genesis, the sabbath is first commanded to be observed in conjunction with manna ((with no mention of creation and no indication that the people knew how to observe a sabbath or were already in the habit of doing so)) in Exodus 16.

a person may make the assumption that a commandment is implied by God Himself resting and blessing the day He did so, and assume that observation of it had been continuously taking place, though neither the command nor the observation are found in the scriptural record.
a person may not make that assumption, on the other hand. it's possible that sabbaths had been routinely physically observed all that time but it's going beyond what's written, and what is actually written mildly suggests otherwise.


so one ((who takes the latter view)) explains 'that' by pointing out that the request for explanation assumes something which probably isn't true.
I agree with your logic there.

To carry the idea that if God did something, we are to do it too, then a person could say that we are to banish people as God banished Cain.