Salvation is for the Whole World

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Can you not see your dependence on your works to save you eternally, simply by your questing me of doing nothing to be saved eternally?

FAITH already showed verses on faith vs works. Proved that faith is not a work and here you all are still arguing the Bible doesn't say what it says.
 

Sipsey

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Can you not see your dependence on your works to save you eternally, simply by your questing me of doing nothing to be saved eternally?
I’m afraid you have misunderstood myself and others who rely on Jesus, and Jesus alone for our salvation. Your vocabulary and writing reflects someone that still has questions. I’m sorry you cannot see that myself and others are interested in your Spiritual growth.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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The spiritually dead person cannot reach out for a spiritual flotation device.

Then why does the Word say "Believe on me, receive me, harken, come on to me" etc, etc. Seems rather dumb when we are not able to do any of it. Guess theirs no point in praying for unsaved loved ones anymore.
 

ForestGreenCook

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God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though
He is not far from each one of us. ‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’


God made us to find our life in Christ. Knowing something is missing
puts man in a position of being compelled to seek the missing answer.

Respectfully, I believe the key, is in your quote "For in him we live and move and have our being"

Question is; how do we get in him? I believe the answer is in Eph 2:5, where it states that by God's grace, even when we were dead in sins, he has quickened us together with Christ.
 
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Respectfully, I believe the key, is in your quote "For in him we live and move and have our being"

Question is; how do we get in him? I believe the answer is in Eph 2:5, where it states that by God's grace, even when we were dead in sins, he has quickened us together with Christ.
As Eph 1:13 clearly states, God did that when we heard the gospel and decided to believe it.

Eph 1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

Sipsey

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Respectfully, I believe the key, is in your quote "For in him we live and move and have our being"

Question is; how do we get in him? I believe the answer is in Eph 2:5, where it states that by God's grace, even when we were dead in sins, he has quickened us together with Christ.
I think you will agree that there are people that want nothing to do with God, while others truly seek His will for their lives. Do you think ones attitude has any influence on salvation?
 

rogerg

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Yeah, I don't know, I have never seen people flat out deny what the Word says. I did a this vs that. Works vs faith. They still say faith is a work. So I don't know why use the Bible if you don't believe what you're reading? I don't get it. Then they call you a heretic for believing the Word. smh
You don't understand this verse - that should someone have a true belief in Christ, it was by God's work alone that they do? Why is that so difficult to understand and/or accept?

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 

Sipsey

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You don't understand this verse - that should someone have a true belief in Christ, it was by God's work alone that they do? Why is that so difficult to understand and/or accept?

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
6:29. Jesus' response to their question was a flat contradiction of their thinking. They could not please God by doing good works. There is only one work of God, that is, one thing God requires. They need to put their trust(Faith)- in the One the Father has sent.Because of their sin people cannot please God by doing good works for salvation (Ep 2:8-9; Tit 3:5). God demands that people recognize their inability to save themselves and receive His gift (Ro 6:23).
 
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You don't understand this verse - that should someone have a true belief in Christ, it was by God's work alone that they do? Why is that so difficult to understand and/or accept?

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
CEB
Jesus replied, “This is what God requires, that you believe in him whom God sent.”
CJB
Yeshua answered, “Here’s what the work of God is: to trust in the one he sent!”
CEV
Jesus answered, “God wants you to have faith in the one he sent.”
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Jesus answered, “The work God wants you to do is this: to believe in the one he sent.”
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Jesus answered, “·The work God wants you to do is this [L This is the work of God]: Believe the One he sent.”
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Jesus answered, “What God wants you to do is to believe in the one he sent.”

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Magenta

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Respectfully, I believe the key, is in your quote "For in him we live and move and have our being"

Question is; how do we get in him? I believe the answer is in Eph 2:5, where it states that
by God's grace, even when we were dead in sins, he has quickened us together with Christ.
All souls belong to God. He is the author and giver and sustainer of life. This is not to say that all are
His children. Obviously all are not His children. Some are children of wrath, those who have refused
God's offer of salvation through the forgiveness Christ's shed righteous blood provided for all.
Those who believe by grace through faith have the right to call themselves God's children.


God is drawing all men to Him. Those who resist do so because they love their sin.


Romans 8:15-16
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ForestGreenCook

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Sorry, but they can; if God reveals to them they need it. They don't have to be born again to realize they need a savior. If they're already born again why would they need to know they need a savior? This is my last reply to you because you don't have the capacity to understand even trivial matters. Get some common sense.

Sorry you feel that way. Many, in Jesus days on earth had similar responses about this doctrine.
 

rogerg

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6:29. Jesus' response to their question was a flat contradiction of their thinking. They could not please God by doing good works. There is only one work of God, that is, one thing God requires. They need to put their trust(Faith)- in the One the Father has sent.Because of their sin people cannot please God by doing good works for salvation (Ep 2:8-9; Tit 3:5). God demands that people recognize their inability to save themselves and receive His gift (Ro 6:23).
You got that from that verse? It says nothing like that. The question was a simple one and the answer was direct.
The verse says that to truly believe is only given to someone from a work of God's.
You've added to it in a way that it can't support to try to force it into saying what you want it to say.
 
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You got that from that verse? It says nothing like that. The question was a simple one and the answer was direct.
The verse says that to truly believe is only given to someone from a work of God's.
You've added to it in a way that it can't support to try to force it into saying what you want it to say.
You're reading it through a Calvinist lens.
 

rogerg

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You're reading it through a Calvinist lens.
Oh, my! Understanding that "This is the work of God, that you believe" means that it is God's work alone, is reading through a Calvinist lens? No, not understanding it in that way means that you're trying to change it.
 
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Oh, my! Understanding that "This is the work of God, that you believe" means that it is God's work alone, is reading through a Calvinist lens? No, not understanding it in that way means that you're trying to change it.
Yes, absolutely.
 

Magenta

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So are we now okay with what is the gift of God and that is salvation? Salvation is by grace through faith and that is the correct wording and not "through and by God and not of ourselves." as you are describing what is faith. Of course, we are trying to discuss what is the gift of God which is salvation The "not of ourselves " refers to the gift meaning to say, it's not ours. It's God, I only possessed it by faith ie. "through faith". A gift needs to be received, that's simple. And if I receive it by faith did I work for it? NO! I just received what is being presented to me
I will never agree with those who say, if you receive a gift, it is then no longer a gift because you accepted it.

And that if you receive/accept/stop fighting against God's grace, you nullify His grace.

In fact, such a position is pure nonsense.

And non-Biblical.

God draws us with loving kindness and He WANTS us to respond.
 
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That's absurd. It was read through a biblical lens.
Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

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Sipsey

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Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

There are more..
Bingo!

John 6:28 (KJV)

28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?