Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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who said a homosexual cant be saved.
4 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever.36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed
(so if, grace is a gift) in john 3.1616( "For God )so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
ware dose it say repent, from a sin, but ask do you believe that god sent his son, (saviour) and if you do believe then who saves you.(would that be god.)
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
what part of the law could give you righteouness. or prove when a gentile, was given the full law of moses, when you need a temple(building) to follow the full law, given to moses. 70 ad was when it was taken down.
how can a gentiles or a jews, christains or non christains follow the full law, given to moses, with out a temple.
did cornelius in acts 10, was he told to repent, when the holy spirit came on him, or believed in jesus christ finished work (john 3.16)
4 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever.36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed
(so if, grace is a gift) in john 3.1616( "For God )so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
ware dose it say repent, from a sin, but ask do you believe that god sent his son, (saviour) and if you do believe then who saves you.(would that be god.)
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
what part of the law could give you righteouness. or prove when a gentile, was given the full law of moses, when you need a temple(building) to follow the full law, given to moses. 70 ad was when it was taken down.
how can a gentiles or a jews, christains or non christains follow the full law, given to moses, with out a temple.
did cornelius in acts 10, was he told to repent, when the holy spirit came on him, or believed in jesus christ finished work (john 3.16)
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Homosexuality (from Ancient Greek ?µ??, meaning "same", and Latin sexus, meaning "sex") is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.
Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian or to be saved.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Notice 1 Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian or to be saved.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Notice 1 Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
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The reason that eternal security is the correct doctrine is because you, Seabass, are an evil cesspool of iniquity who deserves to be cast into the lake of fire where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever.
But God loved you so much that He gave His only begotton Son to die for you and suffer for your sins and take your punishment for you so all you have to do is believe in Jesus, confess Him as your Lord and Saviour and then God cleanses you from all your sins. Jesus' blood washes away all of your unrighteousness, and automatically imputes righteousness on you by Faith.
To say we have to do some kind of works ourselves in order to be saved or to retain our salvation is a slap in the face of Jesus' sacrifice for you, because you're saying that the sacrifice He made on the cross for you was not good enough. You feel you have to do something yourself to help Jesus save you. If we all had to be good and righteous in ourselves and obedient to a whole bunch of rules to retain our salvation then we're all doomed and going to hell. Because no matter how hard you try you're never going to be good enough to deserve or earn salvation.
You're opening title, "Salvation not possible without works" is also a false doctrine.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
We're saved only by the Lord's grace love and mercy, not by our good works. We're justified by grace, not by works.
And this false interpretation that some people have that confessing and repenting of your sins, and believing in Jesus and confessing your faith and belief in Jesus is a form of works, is ridiculous. When the bible talks about works verses grace, it's talking a needing to obey the law and the rules and perform good deeds in order to earn your salvation, verses recieving your salvation as a free gift of God. The act of believing in Jesus is not works. it's simply a matter of reaching out your hand of Faith to recieve the free gift of eternal life.
And who's saying anything about not doing any kind of work their whole life? Are you accusing all of us who believe in eternal security of having the attitude that since we're now saved and salvation is forever that we can just go out and sin all we want and /or do nothing for the Lord just because we believe that our salvation is forever? That's a false accusation, and nobody is doing that. We don't believe our salvation is earned, but we do believe our blessings in this life and our rewards in the next do hinge on our obedience to the Lord. And, believe you me, that fact does cause us to us to want to do as much as we can while we can so we won't be ashamed before Him at His coming. There will be those who will feel ashamed before Him and might not get any reward because they didn't do all they could for Him in this life. But they're not going to lose thier salvation over it because Salvation, itself, is a free gift of God that we receive by believing in Jesus. It's not anything we can earn by any amount of good works.
But God loved you so much that He gave His only begotton Son to die for you and suffer for your sins and take your punishment for you so all you have to do is believe in Jesus, confess Him as your Lord and Saviour and then God cleanses you from all your sins. Jesus' blood washes away all of your unrighteousness, and automatically imputes righteousness on you by Faith.
To say we have to do some kind of works ourselves in order to be saved or to retain our salvation is a slap in the face of Jesus' sacrifice for you, because you're saying that the sacrifice He made on the cross for you was not good enough. You feel you have to do something yourself to help Jesus save you. If we all had to be good and righteous in ourselves and obedient to a whole bunch of rules to retain our salvation then we're all doomed and going to hell. Because no matter how hard you try you're never going to be good enough to deserve or earn salvation.
You're opening title, "Salvation not possible without works" is also a false doctrine.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
We're saved only by the Lord's grace love and mercy, not by our good works. We're justified by grace, not by works.
And this false interpretation that some people have that confessing and repenting of your sins, and believing in Jesus and confessing your faith and belief in Jesus is a form of works, is ridiculous. When the bible talks about works verses grace, it's talking a needing to obey the law and the rules and perform good deeds in order to earn your salvation, verses recieving your salvation as a free gift of God. The act of believing in Jesus is not works. it's simply a matter of reaching out your hand of Faith to recieve the free gift of eternal life.
And who's saying anything about not doing any kind of work their whole life? Are you accusing all of us who believe in eternal security of having the attitude that since we're now saved and salvation is forever that we can just go out and sin all we want and /or do nothing for the Lord just because we believe that our salvation is forever? That's a false accusation, and nobody is doing that. We don't believe our salvation is earned, but we do believe our blessings in this life and our rewards in the next do hinge on our obedience to the Lord. And, believe you me, that fact does cause us to us to want to do as much as we can while we can so we won't be ashamed before Him at His coming. There will be those who will feel ashamed before Him and might not get any reward because they didn't do all they could for Him in this life. But they're not going to lose thier salvation over it because Salvation, itself, is a free gift of God that we receive by believing in Jesus. It's not anything we can earn by any amount of good works.
F
You don't understand what GRACE is. Yes, Jesus was nailed to a cross for our sins = to destroy the power of sin in us!!
He died so that = through Him we can DIE to sin!!
He was buried so that = our old man was BURIED with Him!!
He was raised so that through Him = we are RAISED to NEWNESS of LIFE !!! REGENERATED
We are saved by the washing & regeneration of the Holy Spirit!! That's grace.
Sin has no dominion over us because we are not under the law but under grace. Does grace nullify the law?? On the contrary through it we fulfill the law. If you are a slave to sin your claim of being saved by grace is a lie.
He died so that = through Him we can DIE to sin!!
He was buried so that = our old man was BURIED with Him!!
He was raised so that through Him = we are RAISED to NEWNESS of LIFE !!! REGENERATED
We are saved by the washing & regeneration of the Holy Spirit!! That's grace.
Sin has no dominion over us because we are not under the law but under grace. Does grace nullify the law?? On the contrary through it we fulfill the law. If you are a slave to sin your claim of being saved by grace is a lie.
F
Case in point, what is wrong with this false doctrine. The bible clearly states that no one who is an alcoholic or glutton or is sexually immoral will have any part in the Kingdom. Yet, today (7/29/14) Pat Robertson tells a letter writer & thousands of people that because of the cross addictions will not send you to hell!!?
Do not be deceived, no one who practices these things will have eternal life.
Do not be deceived, no one who practices these things will have eternal life.
why are you telling me this. when did Cornelius repent, and get the holy spirit. and define , was jesus and john Baptist sent to a jewish nation (that had a full law) so if you get you idea of sin from this law, when was it given (full law and degrees to a gentile)
what sin and what law, saved/saves, you/me, in the new covenant. how can you follow the full law given to moses without a temple. after 70 ad.
answer the part about full law, or edit and show the part, that you follow, that tells you, you are still in sin, if cornlelous was not truly saved, why did they have the meeting in act 15 , about a gentile relationship to the law.
you don't know the difference between jew and gentile, relationship to the law.
when did sin save you,21 I do not nullify the grace of God,for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. gal
my saviour was in heaven , when I first believed and the new covenet at penecost, ( the holt spirt baptised only jewish people) Cornelius was the first gentile'.
peter was at act 10, did he say to Cornelius repent. you err in your thinking. and mix the difference between jew and gentile believers.
what sin and what law, saved/saves, you/me, in the new covenant. how can you follow the full law given to moses without a temple. after 70 ad.
answer the part about full law, or edit and show the part, that you follow, that tells you, you are still in sin, if cornlelous was not truly saved, why did they have the meeting in act 15 , about a gentile relationship to the law.
you don't know the difference between jew and gentile, relationship to the law.
when did sin save you,21 I do not nullify the grace of God,for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
what sin and what law, saved/saves, you/me, in the new covenant. how can you follow the full law given to moses without a temple. after 70 ad.
answer the part about full law, or edit and show the part, that you follow, that tells you, you are still in sin, if cornlelous was not truly saved, why did they have the meeting in act 15 , about a gentile relationship to the law.
you don't know the difference between jew and gentile, relationship to the law.
when did sin save you,21 I do not nullify the grace of God,for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
A homosexual cannot be saved as a homosexual. Christ's gospel requires the homosexual to believe Jn 8:24, repent of his sins, Lk 13:3,5 confess, Mt 10:32,33 and be baptized for remission of sins, Acts 2:38.
"Belief only" will NEVER save a homosexual for if a homosexual has "belief only" he is STILL a homosexual and STILL lost.
All sinners need salvation but that in no way proves that once one obtains a saved position he cannot ever lose it under any circumstance..
You reference Jn 3:16 that shows the possibility one can be lost..."should (subjunctive mood) be saved"
For one to claim he/she can sit like a bump on a log and do nothing and yet still be sved is a slap in th face of the verses that teach one must obey Christ;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Lk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say
Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
...and I am not eve scratching the surface on all the verses I could post. Where did Jesus ever say that sitting like a bump on a log was a condition He put on His free gift of salvation?
Why is it when the question is asked in the bible as to "what must I do to be saved" no one is told to "do nothing"?
From what you post above you evidently think all works are alike.
Eph 2:8,9 first, faith itself is a work, it is dead if it is not. Secondly when Paul said "not of works"he was referring to works of merit not obedient works.
In Rom 6:17,18 Paul gives us the order of events:
1) servants of sin
2) then obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine
3) then justified
NOte how Paul put obedience BEFORE justification. In Rom 6:16 Paul says you serve either one of two masters, you serve"
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Your theology rules out #2 for you.
In Titus 3:5 Paul is CONTRASTING works of merit (works of righteousness we have done) to "washing of regeneration" with washing of regenertion referring to water baptism. So Paul is contrasting works of merit from an obedient work of submitting to water baptism in this verse
I have never said a sinner can be saved by doing GOOD works but must do OBEDIENT works in believing repenting confessing and submitting to baptism. Then after becoming a Christian he must do good works to maintain his salvation, Eph 2:10.
So you are suggesting one does not have to confess or repent of his sins? You are then saying the denier of Christ, the impenitent are saved?
Where does the bible teach that obedience to God's will is EARNING salvation????????????
You asked "And who's saying anything about not doing any kind of work their whole life?
So now you are saying a person must do some kind of work in his life in order to be saved or maintain salvation?
Who here is arguing salvation is earned???????
Can one who becomes a Christian NEVER do any good works at all and yet still be saved?
You reference Jn 3:16 that shows the possibility one can be lost..."should (subjunctive mood) be saved"
For one to claim he/she can sit like a bump on a log and do nothing and yet still be sved is a slap in th face of the verses that teach one must obey Christ;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Lk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say
Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
...and I am not eve scratching the surface on all the verses I could post. Where did Jesus ever say that sitting like a bump on a log was a condition He put on His free gift of salvation?
Why is it when the question is asked in the bible as to "what must I do to be saved" no one is told to "do nothing"?
From what you post above you evidently think all works are alike.
Eph 2:8,9 first, faith itself is a work, it is dead if it is not. Secondly when Paul said "not of works"he was referring to works of merit not obedient works.
In Rom 6:17,18 Paul gives us the order of events:
1) servants of sin
2) then obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine
3) then justified
NOte how Paul put obedience BEFORE justification. In Rom 6:16 Paul says you serve either one of two masters, you serve"
1) sin unto death
or
2) obedience unto righteousness
I serve #2. Your theology rules out #2 for you.
In Titus 3:5 Paul is CONTRASTING works of merit (works of righteousness we have done) to "washing of regeneration" with washing of regenertion referring to water baptism. So Paul is contrasting works of merit from an obedient work of submitting to water baptism in this verse
I have never said a sinner can be saved by doing GOOD works but must do OBEDIENT works in believing repenting confessing and submitting to baptism. Then after becoming a Christian he must do good works to maintain his salvation, Eph 2:10.
So you are suggesting one does not have to confess or repent of his sins? You are then saying the denier of Christ, the impenitent are saved?
Where does the bible teach that obedience to God's will is EARNING salvation????????????
You asked "And who's saying anything about not doing any kind of work their whole life?
So now you are saying a person must do some kind of work in his life in order to be saved or maintain salvation?
Who here is arguing salvation is earned???????
Can one who becomes a Christian NEVER do any good works at all and yet still be saved?
F
No, the bible tells us Cornelius was already a god fearing man. He was a devout believer. Peter did not have to tell him to repent as Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, ""Go & sin no more". Nor did the apostles tell the believers baptized under John to repent, he just told them about Jesus & the Holy Spirit. There are a number of people who met Jesus, like Zacchaeus, who Jesus did not say repent to, or the man who was lowered, He said,"You're sins are forgiven" or the thief on the cross, "Today, you will be with me in Paradise."
These people already had a heart of repentance. However, in a general, Jesus said, "This gospel of repentance will be preached to all the world." Paul said to the church leaders:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Serving the Lord with all humility in tears and in the midst of adversity (affliction and trials) which befell me, due to the plots of the Jews [against me];
[SUP]20 [/SUP]How I did not shrink from telling you anything that was for your benefit and teaching you in public meetings and from house to house,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But constantly and earnestly I bore testimony both to Jews and Greeks, urging them to turn in repentance [that is due] to God and to have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ [that is due Him].
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And now [brethren], I commit you to God [I deposit you in His charge, entrusting you to His protection and care]. And I commend you to the Word of His grace [to the commands and counsels and promises of His unmerited favor]. It is able to build you up and to give you [your rightful] inheritance among all God’s set-apart ones (those consecrated, purified, and transformed of soul).
Paul to Agrippa:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]To open their eyes that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may thus receive forgiveness and release from their sins and a place and portion among those who are consecrated and purified by faith in Me.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But made known openly first of all to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout the whole land of Judea, and also among the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works and live lives consistent with and worthy of their repentance.
The law concerning the ceremonies, rituals and regulations for building houses, what clothes to wear, what feast days, circumcision was for the Jews. However, the laws against sin is for everyone! Don't be deceived, no one who commits sin has any inheritance in the Kingdom of heaven. As Paul showed in Galatians berating the Gentiles for thinking circumcision was necessary but later warned against the deception concerning living in sin/works of the flesh. It is the same thing in the Old Testament with the Jews, who loved to bring sacrifices in the temple & was proud to be circumcised & be a member of their Jewish tribe but did not obey God regarding sin, making His house a den where thieves hide after their crimes then go out & commit them again!!
Paul wrote the same thing in Colossians, saying he was afraid that they were getting caught up in feast days & silly things like the worship of angels & denying themselves when it came to certain foods. Which showed some discipline but had no effect when it came to putting to death the sinful deeds of the flesh. Then later he says we must:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]So kill (deaden, deprive of power) the evil desire lurking in your members [those animal impulses and all that is earthly in you that is employed in sin]: sexual vice, impurity, sensual appetites, unholy desires, and all greed and covetousness, for that is idolatry (the deifying of self and other created things instead of God).
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It is on account of these [very sins] that the [holy] anger of God is ever coming upon the sons of disobedience (those who are obstinately opposed to the divine will), not on account of circumcision or feast days or the other 500 regulations!
Again, this is the same thing Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for, telling them that the prostitutes would enter heaven but they wont because the prostitutes repented!
This is so silly!! No one has yet to answer that scripture in 1Jhn. I've posted a few times:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God’s will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellow [SUP][i][/SUP]believer in Christ).
These people already had a heart of repentance. However, in a general, Jesus said, "This gospel of repentance will be preached to all the world." Paul said to the church leaders:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Serving the Lord with all humility in tears and in the midst of adversity (affliction and trials) which befell me, due to the plots of the Jews [against me];
[SUP]20 [/SUP]How I did not shrink from telling you anything that was for your benefit and teaching you in public meetings and from house to house,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But constantly and earnestly I bore testimony both to Jews and Greeks, urging them to turn in repentance [that is due] to God and to have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ [that is due Him].
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And now [brethren], I commit you to God [I deposit you in His charge, entrusting you to His protection and care]. And I commend you to the Word of His grace [to the commands and counsels and promises of His unmerited favor]. It is able to build you up and to give you [your rightful] inheritance among all God’s set-apart ones (those consecrated, purified, and transformed of soul).
Paul to Agrippa:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]To open their eyes that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may thus receive forgiveness and release from their sins and a place and portion among those who are consecrated and purified by faith in Me.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But made known openly first of all to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout the whole land of Judea, and also among the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works and live lives consistent with and worthy of their repentance.
The law concerning the ceremonies, rituals and regulations for building houses, what clothes to wear, what feast days, circumcision was for the Jews. However, the laws against sin is for everyone! Don't be deceived, no one who commits sin has any inheritance in the Kingdom of heaven. As Paul showed in Galatians berating the Gentiles for thinking circumcision was necessary but later warned against the deception concerning living in sin/works of the flesh. It is the same thing in the Old Testament with the Jews, who loved to bring sacrifices in the temple & was proud to be circumcised & be a member of their Jewish tribe but did not obey God regarding sin, making His house a den where thieves hide after their crimes then go out & commit them again!!
Paul wrote the same thing in Colossians, saying he was afraid that they were getting caught up in feast days & silly things like the worship of angels & denying themselves when it came to certain foods. Which showed some discipline but had no effect when it came to putting to death the sinful deeds of the flesh. Then later he says we must:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]So kill (deaden, deprive of power) the evil desire lurking in your members [those animal impulses and all that is earthly in you that is employed in sin]: sexual vice, impurity, sensual appetites, unholy desires, and all greed and covetousness, for that is idolatry (the deifying of self and other created things instead of God).
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It is on account of these [very sins] that the [holy] anger of God is ever coming upon the sons of disobedience (those who are obstinately opposed to the divine will), not on account of circumcision or feast days or the other 500 regulations!
Again, this is the same thing Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for, telling them that the prostitutes would enter heaven but they wont because the prostitutes repented!
This is so silly!! No one has yet to answer that scripture in 1Jhn. I've posted a few times:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God’s will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellow [SUP][i][/SUP]believer in Christ).
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do I need a bible lesson.
acts 10Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God.[SUP]5 And now send men to Joppa and bring one Simon who is called Peter.6 He is lodging with one Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea."7 When the ange[/SUP]
who told him the law of moses ,to cornelius, ( if a jew could not speak to gentile. )why send for simon/peter
what was said to cornelius .[SUP]4 So Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all),37 you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.39 And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree,40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear,41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
[/SUP]when he was speaking [SUP]44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
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when was he told to repent of sin,
hebrews 10 is new covenent.[SUP]6 "This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"
17 then he adds,
"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
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acts 15 , full law or part.
acts 10Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God.[SUP]5 And now send men to Joppa and bring one Simon who is called Peter.6 He is lodging with one Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea."7 When the ange[/SUP]
who told him the law of moses ,to cornelius, ( if a jew could not speak to gentile. )why send for simon/peter
what was said to cornelius .[SUP]4 So Peter opened his mouth and said: "Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all),37 you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.39 And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree,40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear,41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
[/SUP]when he was speaking [SUP]44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
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when was he told to repent of sin,
hebrews 10 is new covenent.[SUP]6 "This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"
17 then he adds,
"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
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acts 15 , full law or part.
the point i am trying to make, if your saved by grace a gift, then who appointed you, to say who is saved or not saved.
given a new covenent for gentile started at cornelius. when did cornelius repent
I am not sure what your point is, but I was showing one cannot be saved without first repenting. A homosexual CANNOT be saved as a homosexual but must first repent.(your quote,)
given a new covenent for gentile started at cornelius. when did cornelius repent
I am not sure what your point is, but I was showing one cannot be saved without first repenting. A homosexual CANNOT be saved as a homosexual but must first repent.(your quote,)
My point is a homosexual CANNOT be saved by "belief only". "Belief only" leaves him/her a sinful homosexual and lost in his/her unrepented of and unremitted sins. "Belief only" is NOT repentance and cannot remit sins.
Whether Peter specifically mentioned repentance to Cornelius or not we do not know, but from Acts 11:18 we know repentance was involved with the Gentiles.
homosexual, liar, thief, idolater, sexually impure, proud, gossip .. WHATEVER sin we find ourselves in, we must put away the desires of the flesh, and we must do this by the power of God!
no one can make himself pure.
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?
(Proverbs 20:9)
it is Christ living in us that enables us to live righteously -- and we must embrace Him and walk in His light, allowing Him to scatter away the darkness of our former selves.
if we continue in sin, we reject Him with our hands, even if we accept Him in our hearts, and a house divided will fall. may His mercy endure for those that stumble! but do not tempt His grace!
i am sorry that in the past by emphasizing the work of God and His grace, i was sometimes against our brothers and sisters who were doing this work:
For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.
(1 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
but at the same time, i maintain that without Christ working in us, we cannot live worthy lives, and we must acknowledge Him and keep no glory for ourselves.
the work of God is to believe Christ is Lord -- if we believe, we must submit ourselves to the King!!
thank Him always for His mercy and His precious gift to you, without which we are lost!
no one can make himself pure.
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?
(Proverbs 20:9)
it is Christ living in us that enables us to live righteously -- and we must embrace Him and walk in His light, allowing Him to scatter away the darkness of our former selves.
if we continue in sin, we reject Him with our hands, even if we accept Him in our hearts, and a house divided will fall. may His mercy endure for those that stumble! but do not tempt His grace!
i am sorry that in the past by emphasizing the work of God and His grace, i was sometimes against our brothers and sisters who were doing this work:
For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.
(1 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
but at the same time, i maintain that without Christ working in us, we cannot live worthy lives, and we must acknowledge Him and keep no glory for ourselves.
the work of God is to believe Christ is Lord -- if we believe, we must submit ourselves to the King!!
thank Him always for His mercy and His precious gift to you, without which we are lost!
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You don't seem to have a point here. You are just reiterating yourself about the law. I answered that, I think. Paul differentiated between the rituals & ceremonies of the law whiles still preaching repentance from sin. Your putting the entire passage only proves my point. God accepts those who fear Him AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT in every nation.
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In all these debates about grace verses works let's not forget about Jesus. He's the one that died for your sins and rose from the dead and can give you power to do the same. All of us are sinners. What sins each of us may or may not be guilty of is irrelevant.
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
So what does this all mean? First of all it means we all deserve to go to hell. Second of all it means that only those who believe in Jesus are not going to hell. The fact that nobody is righteous proves that only those who believe in Jesus are righteous. Because it means that the only way to become righteous is to have your sins forgiven you, and righteousness automatically imputed upon you by faith. And the only way that could happen is by believing in Jesus. Jesus is the only one who died for the sins of the whole world and rose again from the dead.
4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We just have to admit we're sinners and ask Jesus to forgive us, accept His atonement for our sins, then He forgives us and washes away all of our sins and unrighteousness, automatically making us righteous by His Grace.
2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
To do righteousness as translated here in the kjv means to believe in Jesus. So to clarify what this is saying it could be translated as, "If you know that Jesus is righteous you know that everyone who believes in Jesus is born of God." This point is clarified further on in IJohn.
3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Everybody who has this hope of eternal life through Jesus, is purified even as Jesus Himself is pure.
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Sin is disobedience to the rules, but Jesus takes away our sins. We don't take way our sins ourselves by being obedient to the rules.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
That's why once we receive Jesus we cannot sin anymore, because Jesus wipes out our sins in one fell swoop. If you are a sinner then that means your not saved. If your saved, then that means you're not a sinner.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Here is that point again. If you believe in Jesus then you are righteous just like Jesus is righteous.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
If you believe in Jesus you are born of God. Once you are born of God you cannot sin anymore. This point is made very clear in both the epistles of John and Paul. Remember, the reason you cannot sin anymore is not because you are righteous in yourselves or won't make any mistakes any more or won't succumb to some temptation every once in a awhile, but it's because Jesus has cleansed you from all your unrighteousness, it's all 100% through Grace by Faith in Jesus.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Jesus destroyed the works of the devil in you the second you got saved.
3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
This is the new covenant that God and Jesus gave us to obey which replaces the entire old testament law of Moses: Believe in Jesus and Love one another.
4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
So what does this all mean? First of all it means we all deserve to go to hell. Second of all it means that only those who believe in Jesus are not going to hell. The fact that nobody is righteous proves that only those who believe in Jesus are righteous. Because it means that the only way to become righteous is to have your sins forgiven you, and righteousness automatically imputed upon you by faith. And the only way that could happen is by believing in Jesus. Jesus is the only one who died for the sins of the whole world and rose again from the dead.
4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We just have to admit we're sinners and ask Jesus to forgive us, accept His atonement for our sins, then He forgives us and washes away all of our sins and unrighteousness, automatically making us righteous by His Grace.
2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
To do righteousness as translated here in the kjv means to believe in Jesus. So to clarify what this is saying it could be translated as, "If you know that Jesus is righteous you know that everyone who believes in Jesus is born of God." This point is clarified further on in IJohn.
3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Everybody who has this hope of eternal life through Jesus, is purified even as Jesus Himself is pure.
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Sin is disobedience to the rules, but Jesus takes away our sins. We don't take way our sins ourselves by being obedient to the rules.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
That's why once we receive Jesus we cannot sin anymore, because Jesus wipes out our sins in one fell swoop. If you are a sinner then that means your not saved. If your saved, then that means you're not a sinner.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Here is that point again. If you believe in Jesus then you are righteous just like Jesus is righteous.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
If you believe in Jesus you are born of God. Once you are born of God you cannot sin anymore. This point is made very clear in both the epistles of John and Paul. Remember, the reason you cannot sin anymore is not because you are righteous in yourselves or won't make any mistakes any more or won't succumb to some temptation every once in a awhile, but it's because Jesus has cleansed you from all your unrighteousness, it's all 100% through Grace by Faith in Jesus.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Jesus destroyed the works of the devil in you the second you got saved.
3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
This is the new covenant that God and Jesus gave us to obey which replaces the entire old testament law of Moses: Believe in Jesus and Love one another.
4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.