Salvation Not Possible Without Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
It is a passage that proves God's grace can have conditions and meeting those condtions in no way earns anything, so you did not answer the question.
No, It does not.

In the OT yes, They had to follow the law. and the law required this. but we are not under the law now are we?


God's grace can be unconditional
The word grace means unconditional. Until you figure this out, you will never understand Gods truth.


in the sense that by God's grace people have air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat. Dead men were raised unconditionally by God's grace. Yet I gave you a clear cut case with Naaman that proves God's grace can be conditional and I can give other bible cases where God's grace was conditional. But when it comes to our savlation, God's grace is ALWAYS conditional upon an obedient faith. If God's grace is UNconditional, then why is it that all men, every man will NOT be saved, 1 Tim 2:4; Heb 2:9; Titus 2:11?
again, it there is a condition, it is not free. thus it was never of grace.
 
A

Alligator

Guest
Then you believe that the Work of Christ did not deal with all sin.

Which sins? What kinds of sins? Murder, rape, theft? What about spiritual pride, slander, and divisions?

How many times must one commit which sins to 'not make it' into heaven?

Where are those lines, Biblically?

Since those lines are not there (and we both know they're not), who decides what the 'Biblical standard' is?

Notice how your focus is very much more on sin and who's committing it or not committing it rather than on Christ and building fellow believers up in Him so that HE can do HIS WORK in them to free them from the sinning they may be struggling with?

That is a HUGE distinction to make - your focus is not on HIM. It's on YOU. And the fruit is of the flesh, not of the Spirit.

-JGIG
2Pe 1:4    by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.2Pe 1:5    For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,2Pe 1:6    and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,2Pe 1:7    and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.2Pe 1:8    For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.2Pe 1:9    For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.

Now I wonder why Peter didn't mention future sins?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
2Pe 1:4    by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.2Pe 1:5    For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,2Pe 1:6    and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,2Pe 1:7    and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.2Pe 1:8    For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.2Pe 1:9    For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.

Now I wonder why Peter didn't mention future sins?
because they had not occurred yet? Why would he?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
He wouldn't because future sins are not covered. Peter made it a point to show only past sins were covered.
And where do you get this?

Jesus died 2000 year ago. If he only covered my past sins, (which were already future at the time of his death) I am doomed, Unless he comes back to earth and dies again for my future sin.
 
A

Alligator

Guest
And where do you get this?

Jesus died 2000 year ago. If he only covered my past sins, (which were already future at the time of his death) I am doomed, Unless he comes back to earth and dies again for my future sin.
Christ died once for all the sins of mankind. Going forward , if we remain faithful and confess our sins they will be forgiven as always. See first John 1:7–9.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Christ died once for all the sins of mankind. Going forward , if we remain faithful and confess our sins they will be forgiven as always. See first John 1:7–9.

Yes he did die for ALL sin.

So when he says you have been saved did he mean it? Or was he just joking?

When he says you have passed from life to death, and calls this eternal life. Did he mean it, or was he just joking.

When he says YOU HAVE BEEN justified, did he mean it, or was he just joking?

You see, the moment he said all these things about you. He not only knew every sin you committed up to that point, (past sin) He knew every sin you would commit from that point forward (Future Sin)

so did God lie? Or did he say, here is my gift, I offer it to you KNOWING everything you have done, are doing and will do against me.
And if you place your faith in me, I will give it to you, knowing all these things.
 

DavidLOVESsnow

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2014
411
4
0
Then what was your point?

You seemed to go all over the place.


It seemed to go from faith alone to not faith alone..
No I did not. My point was very clear that works are a testament of your faith. It's that simple. It says it in the many Bible quotes i posted.

Just read the entire post before commenting on it please.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
No I did not. My point was very clear that works are a testament of your faith. It's that simple. It says it in the many Bible quotes i posted.

Just read the entire post before commenting on it please.
yep. Which is what we have been saying.

But those work do not save you, you are already saved before the works even happened, is this not right?
 

DavidLOVESsnow

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2014
411
4
0
yep. Which is what we have been saying.

But those work do not save you, you are already saved before the works even happened, is this not right?

Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. <-- Means that a specific amount of works like 100 pounds


James 2:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

That was my main point. Now on one last notice:



1 John 3:8
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Shows how works of the devil are sins, therefore by logic good works are of God. Last Bible quote to prove that is below:

John 6:27-29
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[SUP]28[/SUP]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


There, that is the extremely short version. If you read the original post I made, it is a lot more indepth and explained. But regardless, the Bible speaks for itself.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Ephesians 2:8-9

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. <-- Means that a specific amount of works like 100 pounds


means zero zip nada works. do you understand what this means? Zero will never equal 1000 lbs. or any amount other than zero.


James 2:14-17

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


zero zip nada works. what does this show? it shows a person never had faith.

now lets go back to eph 2: 8-9

for by grace you HAVE been saved by FAITH..

if I do not have faith, this verse does not apply to me. thus I was never saved.

what happens if I was saved by true faith?



[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we (those who have been saved by faith) are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

we WILL do good works.

thus James did not contradict paul. he said the same thing he did, only in reverse.


That was my main point. Now on one last notice:



1 John 3:8
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Shows how works of the devil are sins, therefore by logic good works are of God. Last Bible quote to prove that is below:

John 6:27-29
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[SUP]28[/SUP]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


There, that is the extremely short version. If you read the original post I made, it is a lot more indepth and explained. But regardless, the Bible speaks for itself.
ys it does.

we are saved by faith alone.

those who are saved will produce the works which come out of that faith.

those who do not works were never saved to begin with, because their faith was dead (non existant)

 

DavidLOVESsnow

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2014
411
4
0


means zero zip nada works. do you understand what this means? Zero will never equal 1000 lbs. or any amount other than zero.




zero zip nada works. what does this show? it shows a person never had faith.

now lets go back to eph 2: 8-9

for by grace you HAVE been saved by FAITH..

if I do not have faith, this verse does not apply to me. thus I was never saved.

what happens if I was saved by true faith?



[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we (those who have been saved by faith) are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

we WILL do good works.

thus James did not contradict paul. he said the same thing he did, only in reverse.






ys it does.

we are saved by faith alone.

those who are saved will produce the works which come out of that faith.

those who do not works were never saved to begin with, because their faith was dead (non existant)

See I let you fall into my trap. You are saying that all Christians will do good works, correct? Then let me quote the Bible where it disagrees with you. First, this is what defines a Christian:

[h=3]Mark 16:16-18[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover


Keep the above in mind, and read this:


[h=3]Matthew 7:21-23
[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Pretty straight forward. They were real Christians, and didn't do good works. You may say "well he never knew them" But you forget, that God created everyone, and knows every hair on your head. So what does he mean he never knew them?... lets read:

[h=3]Matthew 25:31-46[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



There you go. If you want to disagree, I'll just post more Bible quotes that prove my point. Regardless, like I said before, the Bible speaks for itself.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
See I let you fall into my trap. You are saying that all Christians will do good works, correct? Then let me quote the Bible where it disagrees with you. First, this is what defines a Christian:
I fell into your trap?

A person who does not have faith is not saved, period.

A person who does have faith is saved, And they WILL PRODUCE works.

those are the facts.. Now matter how you try to spin them.


Mark 16:16-18

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover


Keep the above in mind, and read this:


Matthew 7:21-23

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Pretty straight forward. They were real Christians, and didn't do good works. You may say "well he never knew them" But you forget, that God created everyone, and knows every hair on your head. So what does he mean he never knew them?... lets read:

Matthew 25:31-46

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



There you go. If you want to disagree, I'll just post more Bible quotes that prove my point. Regardless, like I said before, the Bible speaks for itself.
You did not prove your point.

No everyone who appears to be doing good works is saved, ever has been saved,

Many people do these works to save themselves (like the jews) and they will not be saved, because they had faith in self not God.

the point of james is not to prove that people who do work are saved, The point of james is to prove that people who have no change in life whatsoever, and live as the world lives may BELIEVE in Christ (even demons believe yet tremble) have no faith, thus have never been saved.

Let paul take care of the legalists.

James took care of the licentious.

they are not speaking to the same people who have the same problem. They are speaking to two different groups with different problems, thus they must be interpreted in the context of who they are speaking too.
 

DavidLOVESsnow

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2014
411
4
0
I fell into your trap?

A person who does not have faith is not saved, period.

A person who does have faith is saved, And they WILL PRODUCE works.

those are the facts.. Now matter how you try to spin them.




You did not prove your point.

No everyone who appears to be doing good works is saved, ever has been saved,

Many people do these works to save themselves (like the jews) and they will not be saved, because they had faith in self not God.

the point of james is not to prove that people who do work are saved, The point of james is to prove that people who have no change in life whatsoever, and live as the world lives may BELIEVE in Christ (even demons believe yet tremble) have no faith, thus have never been saved.

Let paul take care of the legalists.

James took care of the licentious.

they are not speaking to the same people who have the same problem. They are speaking to two different groups with different problems, thus they must be interpreted in the context of who they are speaking too.

Did you not read what it said?

It said Christians, who did not do good works. The reason it was a trap is because there is a common used argument that all Christians will do good works. The Bible there says that is not true. It just proved you wrong. Thats why it was a trap lol. Regardless of what you say, you aren't using the Bible to prove your point. I just am showing you what the Bible says.
 
P

preacha24_7

Guest
My friend you don't know the word so let me educate you. Salvation by works is false teaching, that's what the Jehovah Witnesses believe works salvation. Its time for the children of God to stop believing all these false doctrines. Salvation is a free gift from God. We didn't do anything to earn it. Jesus willingly laid down his life for us. He shed his precious blood on the cross for all mankind. Galatians 3:13 says Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree) New King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the giftof God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast. New King James Version. No one isperfect. We've all sinned and made mistakes, bit my sins and mistakes are covered by the blood of Jesus. My past does not define who I am. Romans 6:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. New King James Version Romans 8:1-2 there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death. Every believer must know the word of God. Take the time to read and study the bible.Jesus defeated Satan at Calvary. That's something he doesn't want you to know. Satan has been mad since God kicked him out of heaven. The next time the devil reminds you of your past remind him of his future. He's gonna burn in the lake of fire forever.
 
C

cfultz3

Guest
My friend you don't know the word so let me educate you. Salvation by works is false teaching, that's what the Jehovah Witnesses believe works salvation. Its time for the children of God to stop believing all these false doctrines. Salvation is a free gift from God. We didn't do anything to earn it. Jesus willingly laid down his life for us. He shed his precious blood on the cross for all mankind. Galatians 3:13 says Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree) New King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the giftof God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast. New King James Version. No one isperfect. We've all sinned and made mistakes, bit my sins and mistakes are covered by the blood of Jesus. My past does not define who I am. Romans 6:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. New King James Version Romans 8:1-2 there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death. Every believer must know the word of God. Take the time to read and study the bible.Jesus defeated Satan at Calvary. That's something he doesn't want you to know. Satan has been mad since God kicked him out of heaven. The next time the devil reminds you of your past remind him of his future. He's gonna burn in the lake of fire forever.
Wonder what happens if we do not do the deed of walking (present ACTIVE participle) according to the Spirit? I agree, salvation by works of the Law is false, but a salvation where we are walking according to the Spirit is true.
 
I

iReadKJV

Guest
Here is my favorite Bible verse. Psalms 34:6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Did you not read what it said?
Yes

It said Christians, who did not do good works.
No such thing, Just because someone calls themself a Christian does not mean they were ever born of God

The reason it was a trap is because there is a common used argument that all Christians will do good works.
It is not a common anything, it is a fact.

God will not save licentious people who have mere faith.



The Bible there says that is not true. It just proved you wrong. Thats why it was a trap lol. Regardless of what you say, you aren't using the Bible to prove your point. I just am showing you what the Bible says.
No. Your showing me your interpretation of the bible.

The bible does not say that.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Here is my favorite Bible verse. Psalms 34:6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles

that would apply to every one of us who have been truly saved.. Amen!
 

DavidLOVESsnow

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2014
411
4
0
Yes



No such thing, Just because someone calls themself a Christian does not mean they were ever born of God


It is not a common anything, it is a fact.

God will not save licentious people who have mere faith.





No. Your showing me your interpretation of the bible.

The bible does not say that.

No I am not.

Did you read Mark 16:16-18?

Did you read Matthew 7:21-23?

If so, then how can you keep arguing?

Or how about the other bible quotes i have posted.

If I am telling you my "prespective" or my "interpretation", then can you please explain what this means:

John 6:27-29
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


and can you explain what this means:

James 2:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.



and can you also explain what this means:

[h=3]James 2:18[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.



and can you explain this too please:

[h=3]James 2:26[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


and this too please:

[h=3]2 Timothy 3:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.