Satan Has NO LEGAL RIGHTS!

[Crossfire]

Don't take this personal, but those that are being used by God, who are filled with the Spirit and walk in humility and in the Spirit, who are always going about preaching and teaching and doing the work of the Lord, who are not settled on their lees, but are fervent in their spirit and revealing Christ to a godless world of sinners, who intercede and pray continuously, who are not living in negative reactions through the flesh and who are continually being renewed and transformed in the spirit of their mind, laying their life down for the brethren instead of accusing and slandering them through a critical spirit, these are the ones who are being challenged by the devil and are being accused day and night because the power of God that is working in them mightily. They are the ones who are hated and having evil spoken against them and are being scrutinized for every word they say and work they are performing by grace through faith. These are the ones whose fruit are being considered to be evil though it be wrought in God. These are the ones that are being persecuted and reviled because of the testimony of Jesus Christ and the cross they take up on a daily basis.

We have an air and atmosphere of a self-righteous conceited disposition that seems to be projecting and infiltrating many segments of God's church, who live with an independent spirit that often rejects the body of Christ in the local assembly and down plays the pastor-teacher that God has raised up by casting suspicion and skepticism upon the word that is preached and the life that is lived by faith. The example we have in scripture, under the new testament church is in (3Jn 1)...

3Jn 1:9-11 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore , if I come , I will remember his deeds which he doeth , prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith , neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would , and casteth them out of the church. 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Personality rapport breads familiar spirits through soul power relationships more than any other activity of the flesh and mind of the carnal insolent believer. Diotrephes had a problem with soul power and thought that he knew and understood more than the apostles and those that were sent by the apostles and prated against them with malicious words. He spoke evil of them to those that were in the church that received the words of the apostles and received those that were sent to preach and teach and because of his position he forbid and castigated out of the church those that would receive them. Ever met anyone who's like that and thinks like that? They despise the doctrine and the teacher that gathers believers in the local assembly and church and they do it through spirits of familiarity and by the infection of evil through soul power relationships. We have them right here on this site.

Reading you loud and clear. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[Abiding]

generational curses are another lie that demons like to throw out at you.

God provides Knowledge but there is WORLDLY Knowledge and GODLY Knowledge from above. The flesh tries to raise itself up and tell everyone else they got something special. they ARE something special cuz they got it and YOU DON"T.

I think I'd rather read God's word's then converse with someone who has WORLDY Knowledge. I think I'd rather talk to GOD and be ignorant of EVIL and filled with HIS light and His wisdom then my own.

So for my brothers and sisters out there who are wondering. Here are the Bible verses that exposes the lies of generational curses. It is a direct command for people to STOP saying that the sins of the father are imputed to the children. It is God declaring that each person will be judged by their actions:

It is also found in Jeremiah 31

Ezekiel 18

A False Proverb Refuted


Im loving your work Sister. Another thing is that the word stronghold is a reference to old thought or thinking
patterns....weve been delivered but need to renew the mind. You probably know that.

1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:


‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

3 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 “ Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.
5 But if a man is just
And does what is lawful and right;
6 If he has not eaten on the mountains,
Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife,
Nor approached a woman during her impurity;
7 If he has not oppressed anyone,
But has restored to the debtor his pledge;
Has robbed no one by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not exacted usury
Nor taken any increase,
But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity
And executed true judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes
And kept My judgments faithfully—
He is just;
He shall surely live!”
Says the Lord GOD.

notice God says ALL Souls are HIS?

where in the BIBLE does it say any souls are NOT God's but Satan's? It says they(satan, his demons, fallen angels, servants of lawlessness) will be tossed in the pit and Suffer together.

the only right demons have is a one way ticket to Hell.

We should pray that God binds all demons who try and torment anyone who comes here and frees them from their lies and deceptions.

then all they will have to deal with is the strongholds they and the demons made that war against God. the pride, the thoughts, the beliefs that say "no God I'm right, I will not believe YOU and YOUR words. I will worship you with my mouth but my heart is far from You because I want to chase aft3r fables and illusions that will make me great and powerful instead of read YOUR words and humbly pray and seek YOUR will for my life"

People do not die for Lack of KNOWLEDGE.

they DIE from lack of FAITH in GOD. FAITH in CHRIST and His finished work. FAITH to do the works He created and saved us for. Faith in His love and by blasphemy of the Holy Spirit who brings that Faith and places in the NEW Hearts of God's children, who gives them NEW spirits to seek after God and strive towards that upward call.

2 Corinthians 10

The Spiritual War

1 Now I, Paul, myself am pleading with you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ—who in presence am lowly among you, but being absent am bold toward you. 2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

James 3

13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

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Im loving your work Sister. Another thing is that the word stronghold is a reference to old thought or thinking
patterns....weve been delivered but need to renew the mind. You probably know that.

 

[AnandaHya]

Romans 8:5-7
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

Demons can not possess or inhabit the children of God either. For the HOLY SPIRIT seals them through His power.

 

[AnandaHya]

Did Jesus have a "personality rapport" with these people or did He listen to the complainers?

Does Jesus tell us to judge others by the company they keep

or to pray for ALL men that they might be saved and be brought back into a right relationship with God?


Luke 15

1 Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. 2 And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them.” 3 So He spoke this parable to them, saying:
4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Diotrephes believed in nothing except himself and his own gain and power. He was a wolf.

2 peter 2 talks all about people like Diotrephes

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

do you pray Red?

Do you believe God answers your prayers?

Do you pray for these people you think so lowly of?

Do you have faith God will save them?

or are you afraid of having a "personality rapport" and being "infected by evil" to sit eat and speak with them?

I'm not sure who you are referring (those who despise doctrine and the fellowship of the church), but that they are here means that is placing in their hearts a desire for fellowship, wish to speak with others striving towards' God's will and word (at least I pray that if that is not their initial purpose for coming it will be the one the becomes close to their heart).

yes sometimes wolves sneak in, but the moderators are pretty good at kicking them off when they reveal their true colors.

You tout respecting authority and supporting the pastors and the elders of the church. Perhaps praying for the moderators and elders who watch over this site might be a good idea?

people find it so easy to sow strife, but peace, love, patience, joy and heart felt prayer. I would rejoice if I saw more of that each day.

i've got to go.

May God bless you all.

Jesus Lord help us to navigate this life and live in a manner pleasing to You and to the glory of Your name. amen.

 

[Strangelove]

Don't take this personal, but those that are being used by God, who are filled with the Spirit and walk in humility and in the Spirit, who are always going about preaching and teaching and doing the work of the Lord, who are not settled on their lees, but are fervent in their spirit and revealing Christ to a godless world of sinners, who intercede and pray continuously, who are not living in negative reactions through the flesh and who are continually being renewed and transformed in the spirit of their mind, laying their life down for the brethren instead of accusing and slandering them through a critical spirit, these are the ones who are being challenged by the devil and are being accused day and night because the power of God that is working in them mightily. They are the ones who are hated and having evil spoken against them and are being scrutinized for every word they say and work they are performing by grace through faith. These are the ones whose fruit are being considered to be evil though it be wrought in God. These are the ones that are being persecuted and reviled because of the testimony of Jesus Christ and the cross they take up on a daily basis.

We have an air and atmosphere of a self-righteous conceited disposition that seems to be projecting and infiltrating many segments of God's church, who live with an independent spirit that often rejects the body of Christ in the local assembly and down plays the pastor-teacher that God has raised up by casting suspicion and skepticism upon the word that is preached and the life that is lived by faith. The example we have in scripture, under the new testament church is in (3Jn 1)...

3Jn 1:9-11 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore , if I come , I will remember his deeds which he doeth , prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith , neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would , and casteth them out of the church. 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Personality rapport breads familiar spirits through soul power relationships more than any other activity of the flesh and mind of the carnal insolent believer. Diotrephes had a problem with soul power and thought that he knew and understood more than the apostles and those that were sent by the apostles and prated against them with malicious words. He spoke evil of them to those that were in the church that received the words of the apostles and received those that were sent to preach and teach and because of his position he forbid and castigated out of the church those that would receive them. Ever met anyone who's like that and thinks like that? They despise the doctrine and the teacher that gathers believers in the local assembly and church and they do it through spirits of familiarity and by the infection of evil through soul power relationships. We have them right here on this site.

Your dialectic is getting way boring Red.

Soul power realtionships?

I guess that better than your previous statement that we 'individualists' have relationships built on DOCTRINE!

Lolz.....

 

[Strangelove]

Whether you are saved or NOT, Satan has NO rights to you.

GOD owns the WHOLE world

Was is Shroom who said that Adam and satan made a deal that handed LEGAL dominion over the earth to satan?

 

[Strangelove]

Reading you loud and clear. Thank you for the reminder.

Did Reds lecture change your mind about agreeing with Abidings post?

 

[AnandaHya]

It surprises me how little people understand sin.

From there very beginning in the Garden of Eden, sin is mankind's way of saying "Ok God, my way is better than your way". God's response is "Ok, if that's how you feel then you can have your way, however, since you feel your way is superior to mine, then your need to start fending for yourself." That is why God removed Adam & Eve from the Garden.

Ever since mankind has been subject to a very simple principle, you will reap what you sow. It doesn't matter if you are saved or not, sin is still man's way of proclaiming "Ok God, my way is better than your way". To that God responds, if that how you feel then have your way, but you will deal with the consequences." It is these consequences which usually lead us to repentance once we understand just how severly we messed things up.

Sin has consequences. Always has, always will. Regardless of whether you are saved or not, when you sin , you will have to face the consequences. Even if you repent of your sins, there are still consequences to your sin. Rob a bank, you will go to jail. Commit adultery and you will most likely end up divorced. Drive under the influence and you will most likely lose your license.

This is why I have little tolerance for doctrines which place little to no emphasis on the dangers of sin.

It troubles me when people down play the power of sin and their own responsibility and up play demons and try to blame the snakes for everything they do.

Instead of admitting fault, and asking God to help turn away and overcome and tear down that stronghold in their life.

yes the "my ways is better than your way" is found in a lot of people's hearts, but at the same time we should look to GOD for answers not other MEN who will fail and disappoint us. we should never raise pastors or teachers up as idols but give them the respect and honor due but worship GOD and pray to GOD that they are protected and kept from temptations that power may bring.

help ease their burdens if God allows in little ways and always encourage and uplift them whenever possible instead of constant demands for their time and energy. we should pray and ask God how we might help in the church and His ministry.

 

[zone]

It surprises me how little people understand sin.

This is why I have little tolerance for doctrines which place little to no emphasis on the dangers of sin.

i agree.

but......every single one of us is very well aware of sin.
scriptures says we were in bondage to it, gloried in it, and were BY NATURE CHILDREN OF WRATH LIKE THE REST OF MANKIND.

what do we know about the WAGES of sin?

and what is the remedy?

Romans 4:4
Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

what are some biblical doctrines on sin?

Romans 7
Released from the Law
1Or do you not know, brothersa—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.b 3Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.c

The Law and Sin
7What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

13Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

USUALLY THIS IS WHERE FOLKS LEAVE OFF.....ANOTHER GAP THEORY (ROMANS 7 PAUL'S OLD LIFE)

but he continues....and Romans 8 DOES NOT MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN TWO KINDS OF CHRISTIANS...Praise God!

IT'S GOOD NEWS!

Romans 8
Life in the Spirit
1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a 2For the law of the Spirit of life has set youb free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,c he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Heirs with Christ
12So then, brothers,d we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sonse of God. 15For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

Future Glory
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, becausef the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,g for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can beh against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.i 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Red33]

Your dialectic is getting way boring Red.

Soul power realtionships?

I guess that better than your previous statement that we 'individualists' have relationships built on DOCTRINE!

Lolz.....

That's what a group of disciples said who followed Christ and heard Him say, 'Except you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you', and many of His disciples went back and followed Him no more. God always seems to bring us to that place where He speaks to us and what He says seems a little too hard for us and instead of receiving it and trusting Him, we reject it through the natural mind and fleshly temperament of our adamic nature that has no desire for the will of God and we go our own way through Independence from the words of Christ and the grace of God.

 

[zone]

Don't take this personal, but those that are being used by God, who are filled with the Spirit and walk in humility and in the Spirit, who are always going about preaching and teaching and doing the work of the Lord, who are not settled on their lees, but are fervent in their spirit and revealing Christ to a godless world of sinners, who intercede and pray continuously, who are not living in negative reactions through the flesh and who are continually being renewed and transformed in the spirit of their mind, laying their life down for the brethren instead of accusing and slandering them through a critical spirit, these are the ones who are being challenged by the devil and are being accused day and night because the power of God that is working in them mightily. They are the ones who are hated and having evil spoken against them and are being scrutinized for every word they say and work they are performing by grace through faith. These are the ones whose fruit are being considered to be evil though it be wrought in God. These are the ones that are being persecuted and reviled because of the testimony of Jesus Christ and the cross they take up on a daily basis.

We have an air and atmosphere of a self-righteous conceited disposition that seems to be projecting and infiltrating many segments of God's church, who live with an independent spirit that often rejects the body of Christ in the local assembly and down plays the pastor-teacher that God has raised up by casting suspicion and skepticism upon the word that is preached and the life that is lived by faith. The example we have in scripture, under the new testament church is in (3Jn 1)...

3Jn 1:9-11 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore , if I come , I will remember his deeds which he doeth , prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith , neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would , and casteth them out of the church. 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Personality rapport breads familiar spirits through soul power relationships more than any other activity of the flesh and mind of the carnal insolent believer. Diotrephes had a problem with soul power and thought that he knew and understood more than the apostles and those that were sent by the apostles and prated against them with malicious words. He spoke evil of them to those that were in the church that received the words of the apostles and received those that were sent to preach and teach and because of his position he forbid and castigated out of the church those that would receive them. Ever met anyone who's like that and thinks like that? They despise the doctrine and the teacher that gathers believers in the local assembly and church and they do it through spirits of familiarity and by the infection of evil through soul power relationships. We have them right here on this site.

so i guess you're the guy in the first paragraph.

and i'm in the bottom part.

well, you're entitled to make judgment i suppose. been doing your fair share of it of late.

enjoyed a wonderful Lutheran liturgical service this weekend. i plan to go for confirmation, if i move here. wonderful church.

tons of soul power relationships going on in there. people loving the Lord, hearing the words of the Lord, visiting, then going back to their vocations and families whereby they love God and serve their neighbours.

i love sound doctrine and clean straightup confessions of faith. and people who are honest about the Christian life.

who has despised the day of small things? any kids yet Red?

 

[zone]

That's what a group of disciples said who followed Christ and heard Him say, 'Except you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you', and many of His disciples went back and followed Him no more. God always seems to bring us to that place where He speaks to us and what He says seems a little too hard for us and instead of receiving it and trusting Him, we reject it through the natural mind and fleshly temperament of our adamic nature that has no desire for the will of God and we go our own way through Independence from the words of Christ and the grace of God.

oh brother
if you mean pretrib rapture is "too hard a saying" and some of us have turned from Christ because of it, you're being silly.

pretrib is a hoax.

 

[Red33]

so i guess you're the guy in the first paragraph.

and i'm in the bottom part.

well, you're entitled to make judgment i suppose. been doing your fair share of it of late.

enjoyed a wonderful Lutheran liturgical service this weekend. i plan to go for confirmation, if i move here. wonderful church.

tons of soul power relationships going on in there. people loving the Lord, hearing the words of the Lord, visiting, then going back to their vocations and families whereby they love God and serve their neighbours.

i love sound doctrine and clean straightup confessions of faith. and people who are honest about the Christian life.

who has despised the day of small things? any kids yet Red?

Zone, I could be either one because the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and who can know it. This is why grace is so important in every area. If I lived in pride all day and at the end of the day I humbled myself, God would give me grace. He resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, and the meek and lowly will He teach. You want to live with your doctrine, that's your call, but don't hinder others from growing in grace and knowledge of Christ. They belong to God and not you or I. They were purchased with the blood of Christ and sanctified unto God for His purposes. They stand or fall before Him and He is able to make them stand through grace.

 

[zone]

Zone, I could be either one because the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and who can know it. This is why grace is so important in every area. If I lived in pride all day and at the end of the day I humbled myself, God would give me grace. He resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, and the meek and lowly will He teach. You want to live with your doctrine, that's your call, but don't hinder others from growing in grace and knowledge of Christ. They belong to God and not you or I. They were purchased with the blood of Christ and sanctified unto God for His purposes. They stand or fall before Him and He is able to make them stand through grace.

this is the internet.
i'm not hindering anyone from anything.
these are letters on a screen.

i'll keep doing what i do, and you do the same.

 

[Strangelove]

That's what a group of disciples said who followed Christ and heard Him say, 'Except you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you', and many of His disciples went back and followed Him no more. God always seems to bring us to that place where He speaks to us and what He says seems a little too hard for us and instead of receiving it and trusting Him, we reject it through the natural mind and fleshly temperament of our adamic nature that has no desire for the will of God and we go our own way through Independence from the words of Christ and the grace of God.

No Red, we just reject what you say.

 

[Red33]

this is the internet.
i'm not hindering anyone from anything.
these are letters on a screen.

i'll keep doing what i do, and you do the same.

Was it just letters on a screen when that mother pretended to be a boy that lead to that young teenage girl committing suicide? If your words accuse or slander or malign someone on the internet or by phone, or by letter or in person, is there a difference and will it not hinder or have an effect? Things I have said has effected you and caused you to think of me differently and respond to me in a manner that was different from before. You can't deny that because it is true. You can keep doing what you do, but they will have an effect and some will be hindered and some will react and some will be negative and some will retaliate and some will be offended and some will join in with you and be encouraged in the same manner and do the same things.

 

[AnandaHya]

I wonder why people like to air dirty laundry in front of the world instead of pming each other and resolving their difference in a civil CHRISTIAN manner?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwsvqVmFV6Y[/video]

where is your faith? Is God not able to keep His own no matter what words or actions of others around them? Does God not teach to each heart individually and reveal His truth and His love?

Does God not tell us to forgive each other before coming before His throne? why do we walk around with the chains of unforgiveness and avoid the throne of Christ because of our reluctant to let go of the hurt and pain others cause? why do we not realize God's love in forgiving us our sins should be given to others through forgiving them of any hurt or pain they may have inflicted?

why do people not do this daily? Upon the realization of the hurt and pain one should pray for the other for sometimes they truly do not know what they do and other times they need prayer and God's intervention even more.

Do you pray and approach God daily? Do you forgive others every time you pray and ask God if you have needs to make amends with someone you invertly hurt with your words or action?

Do you start each day as a NEW day and forgive others all their faults and meet them with fresh eyes and a heart willing to love and forgive them?

or do you have a bag of all the bad things they ever did to you on your back ready to fling at them on the slightest provocation?

 

[zeroturbulence]

The CONSEQUENCES of sin IS that it gives the demonic RIGHTS TO YOUR SOUL.

You are wrong in your assumption.

If you sin, you give the devil and demons PERMISSION to have at you. SIN IS THEIR PERMISSION. Deal with it or live lives of bondage.
Maggie

If that was true then evil would have the rights to EVERYONE'S SOUL because everyone is a sinner.

As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;" - Romans 3:10 NIV

 

[Strangelove]

Was it just letters on a screen when that mother pretended to be a boy that lead to that young teenage girl committing suicide? If your words accuse or slander or malign someone on the internet or by phone, or by letter or in person, is there a difference and will it not hinder or have an effect? Things I have said has effected you and caused you to think of me differently and respond to me in a manner that was different from before. You can't deny that because it is true. You can keep doing what you do, but they will have an effect and some will be hindered and some will react and some will be negative and some will retaliate and some will be offended and some will join in with you and be encouraged in the same manner and do the same things.

Good!

Keep going Zone.

 

[zone]

Was it just letters on a screen when that mother pretended to be a boy that lead to that young teenage girl committing suicide? If your words accuse or slander or malign someone on the internet or by phone, or by letter or in person, is there a difference and will it not hinder or have an effect? Things I have said has effected you and caused you to think of me differently and respond to me in a manner that was different from before. You can't deny that because it is true. You can keep doing what you do, but they will have an effect and some will be hindered and some will react and some will be negative and some will retaliate and some will be offended and some will join in with you and be encouraged in the same manner and do the same things.

why do you care?
you believe simple human relationships online are evil.

my dear friend Red....for you to connect something i say here to people comitting suicide is a cheap, taudry and in-the-flesh attempt to shame me. it isn't working.

i will tell you, as sam did some time back, what can cause death and suffering: poorly taught (lied to) believers who look for a rapture (per Camping), then run to a mountaintop only to be slaughtered by pagans for their foolishness.

i'll tell you what else is causing millions to die needlessly, and suffer unspeakably: CHRISTIAN ZIONISM. i'll fight it to my last breath...it's the devil's work. and i am frankly disgusted by the number who claim Christ' Name and cheer this genocide on. but they too will stand and give an account.

please just do what you do, and leave me to what i do.

we will both stand before The Lord and answer there.
i will receive loss for my tone, no doubt.

but i will NEVER, ever, ever, ever, ever stop attempting, to best of my ability, to turn believers away from those things that set themselves up against the knowledge of God, particularly those wretched things taught from american pulpits today.

WHAT IS WRITTEN STAYS WRITTEN.

love zone