Saved by faith alone?

[Everlasting-Grace]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Did Abraham hear how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day? Can having faith in another message bring salvation?

Did God talk to abraham?

As you said, faith comes by hearing and hearing buy the word.

do Abraham hear the words of God?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Taking a NT truth and applying that truth to the OT is not good bible study. Rightly divide the word of truth.

The gospel has never changed

take your own medicine, and stop distorting Gods word

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Was Abraham present with the Lord upon death? Abraham was "safe" from God's wrath, but he was not eternally saved as you and I after the cross.

1. Was abraham saved?
2. Did Paul say we would be saved by this same faith?

 

[DeanM]

Jesus had at least two conversations with Abraham. Two off the top of my head. Im sure there are more. Once when Sara was told she would concieve and one before Sodom was destroyed.

 

[John146]

The gospel has never changed

take your own medicine, and stop distorting Gods word

The gospel was made known after the cross.

 

[John146]

Did God talk to abraham?

As you said, faith comes by hearing and hearing buy the word.

do Abraham hear the words of God?

God talked to many of the OT saints. See Hebrews 11. But none of them believed on the cross of Jesus because it was not made known until after it occurred.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The gospel was made known after the cross.

you have two gospels then.

You also call Paul a liar when he said we are saved by this same faith in God Abraham had

but we knew this (those who know you)

so will let you go again.

 

[John146]

you have two gospels then.

You also call Paul a liar when he said we are saved by this same faith in God Abraham had

but we knew this (those who know you)

so will let you go again.

Only one true gospel unto salvation. You are arguing for two gospels. I believe that the only gospel unto salvation is the message of the cross...how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day. Having faith in anything else cannot bring about eternal salvation.

 

[John146]

You also call Paul a liar when he said we are saved by this same faith in God Abraham had

Paul was using Abraham as a type, a picture of what faith is about. As Abraham believed God at his word, we too need to believe God at his word.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Only one true gospel unto salvation. You are arguing for two gospels. I believe that the only gospel unto salvation is the message of the cross...how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day. Having faith in anything else cannot bring about eternal salvation.

Then no one is saved from the OT.

come on man.

listen to yourself

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Paul was using Abraham as a type, a picture of what faith is about. As Abraham believed God at his word, we too need to believe God at his word.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

The gospel was given to abraham,

Through you seed (we know as Christ) will every nation be blessed..

Abraham just did not know his name.

You have some weird doctrines my friend

 

[lrs68]

Agree, but Abraham's works justified himself before God.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

After the cross, the believer is not justified by works, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

If you carefully examine the Book of James you clearly will understand that he's not placing the emphasis of works before faith. He's stating that because if you have Faith you will do works. He's saying your Faith is why you will do works.

Now, to the extreme side of what he is saying. Works proves you have Faith. So if you say I have Faith but you never do anything that proves that you have Faith then there's no proof of your Faith. Because anyone who truly has Faith will be doing works.

Those are the two sides to what James is stating.

 

[John146]

If you carefully examine the Book of James you clearly will understand that he's not placing the emphasis of works before faith. He's stating that because if you have Faith you will do works. He's saying your Faith is why you will do works.

Now, to the extreme side of what he is saying. Works proves you have Faith. So if you say I have Faith but you never do anything that proves that you have Faith then there's no proof of your Faith. Because anyone who truly has Faith will be doing works.

Those are the two sides to what James is stating.

To whom is James written? Remember, James is answering the question: Can faith save him?

Saved people should be doing works, but not always. Some have zero discipleship, no bible, no church, nothing...

 

[lrs68]

To whom is James written? Remember, James is answering the question: Can faith save him?

Saved people should be doing works, but not always. Some have zero discipleship, no bible, no church, nothing...

I know who James is writing to but the Inspiration from the Holy Spirit of God is for ALL SAVED PEOPLE, not just the Jews.