Saved sinners???

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Red33 said:
4runner, you have a problem, you are afraid to sin and of sin. You think that if you sin that you have offended God and He won't accept you anymore and will be so displeased that He will reject you. Any believer that is afraid of sin has been snared by that fear and they have a superficial boldness about not being a sinner. This is what I think happens to some believers that are caught by this snare. God takes away the hedge of grace around that believer and watches them get troubled by sin in many areas of their life. God is not being a minister of sin by doing this, but He is showing these snared believers, that have a false burden about being perfect, that they can not make it without the grace of God for one minute.
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Hahaha, aw man this is ridiculous, I am not afraid to sin, or do I fear if I sin I will be rejected. I am in love with my Savior, and have no desire to sin. I have been delivered from sin, self, and death, and freed to live a life that it pleasing to my Lord.

I believe it is the deepest most heartfelt desire of all true believers to live sinless lives, to be pure, to walk worthy of the high calling of Christ. Furthermore I believe that it is Christ's desire for us. Jesus says, if His word remains in us and we remain in Him we can ask for anything we want and it will be given us. I say we ask for God to give us our deepest most heart felt desire, to walk worthy of Christ. Not out of fear or religious obligation, but out of love for our Bridegroom King
 
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4runner said:
Hahaha, aw man this is ridiculous, I am not afraid to sin, or do I fear if I sin I will be rejected. I am in love with my Savior, and have no desire to sin. I have been delivered from sin, self, and death, and freed to live a life that it pleasing to my Lord.

I believe it is the deepest most heartfelt desire of all true believers to live sinless lives, to be pure, to walk worthy of the high calling of Christ. Furthermore I believe that it is Christ's desire for us. Jesus says, if His word remains in us and we remain in Him we can ask for anything we want and it will be given us. I say we ask for God to give us our deepest most heart felt desire, to walk worthy of Christ. Not out of fear or religious obligation, but out of love for our Bridegroom King
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You are afraid of sin because you don't know how to receive grace or give it to others.
 
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Red33 said:
You are afraid of sin because you don't know how to receive grace or give it to others.
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Telling others sin is permissible is not grace it is hatred. Hatred accepts sin, a true friend wants you to turn from sin, not smile at you cause you are in the sin with them. That is not a friend, that is an enemy that you are in agreement with

LOVE WARNS!!!! Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand." Col. 1:27-28 "...Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom..."

True liberty in Christ does not mean that, since Jesus died for forgiveness of sins, that you are now free to obey your sinful nature. However, what it does mean is that Christ died so that we have no longer have to bow down to sin, but have been given a new nature through the power and presence of Christ within us, the Holy Spirit.
 
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It is very dangerous to search the Scriptures only to find those verses you think validate your own sin. If we desire to validate sin, we ought to examine ourselves and see if we are in the faith. Christ was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him is no sin. Obedient children are not always looking for loopholes & making excuses. Let us not lie to ourselves, lest the Lord give us over to strong delusion.

2nd Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Red33

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4runner said:
Telling others sin is permissible is not grace it is hatred. Hatred accepts sin, a true friend wants you to turn from sin, not smile at you cause you are in the sin with them. That is not a friend, that is an enemy that you are in agreement with

LOVE WARNS!!!! Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand." Col. 1:27-28 "...Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom..."

True liberty in Christ does not mean that, since Jesus died for forgiveness of sins, that you are now free to obey your sinful nature. However, what it does mean is that Christ died so that we have no longer have to bow down to sin, but have been given a new nature through the power and presence of Christ within us, the Holy Spirit.
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Was God warning sinners when He sent His Son or did He send His Son because He loved the world? Did God send His Son to warn and condemn the world of their wickedness or was it an act of mercy through His Son who became the propitiation of the sins of the whole world? Was God in His Son telling sinners to repent of their wickedness or was He reconciling them unto Himself by not imputing their sins unto them? You don't even have the right understanding of the cross or for the purpose for which Christ came? He came for sinners to save them, to forgive them and cleanse them from all sin. You don't get that done by telling them how wicked they are.
 
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Was God warning sinners when He sent His Son or did He send His Son because He loved the world? Did God send His Son to warn and condemn the world of their wickedness or was it an act of mercy through His Son who became the propitiation of the sins of the whole world? Was God in His Son telling sinners to repent of their wickedness or was He reconciling them unto Himself by not imputing their sins unto them? You don't even have the right understanding of the cross or for the purpose for which Christ came? He came for sinners to save them, to forgive them and cleanse them from all sin. You don't get that done by telling them how wicked they are.
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Jesus never told people sin was acceptable, under any circumstance
 
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4runner said:
It is very dangerous to search the Scriptures only to find those verses you think validate your own sin. If we desire to validate sin, we ought to examine ourselves and see if we are in the faith. Christ was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him is no sin. Obedient children are not always looking for loopholes & making excuses. Let us not lie to ourselves, lest the Lord give us over to strong delusion.

2nd Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Was God, through His Son on the cross, validating sin or paying for it and putting it away? That is the gospel that we are to preach, that Jesus Christ shed His blood for the remission of sin not the validation of sin. Behold the Lamb of God that TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD!
 
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Red33 said:
Was God, through His Son on the cross, validating sin or paying for it and putting it away? That is the gospel that we are to preach, that Jesus Christ shed His blood for the remission of sin not the validation of sin. Behold the Lamb of God that TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD!
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Actually that is what I preach, while you oppose it
 
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4runner said:
Jesus never told people sin was acceptable, under any circumstance
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Jesus wasn't accepting sin on the cross, He was crucifying sin and putting it away so that sinners could be accepted through Him through simple faith.
 
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Red33 said:
Jesus wasn't accepting sin on the cross, He was crucifying sin and putting it away so that sinners could be accepted through Him through simple faith.
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And be delivered from their sin enabling them to overcome sin in the flesh.
 
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And be delivered from their sin enabling them to overcome sin in the flesh.
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Not through some concept of sinless perfection but through growing in grace and knowledged of our Lord Jesus Christ and embracing His promises through the word by faith.
 
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Not through some concept of sinless perfection but through growing in grace and knowledged of our Lord Jesus Christ and embracing His promises through the word by faith.
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We reach sinless perfection by growing in grace, and the knowledge of the Lord through faith
 
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4runner said:
We reach sinless perfection by growing in grace, and the knowledge of the Lord through faith
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Are you there? Ever been there? know anyone who has been there?
 
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wait a minute you cant be there, you make slanderous statements against believers,
then care very little about proving it.
 
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He certainly headed that way, and so are all the people you are slandering.
There may even be people you are arguing with, that hate sin more than you do,
and may have a purer, more humble life than you. But only by the mercy and grace of God. :)
 
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The Apostle Paul, and I will by God's grace.
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1Tim 1:15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

The verb 'am' is in the present indicative, which means that Paul is referring to the present time that he wrote this to Timothy and the indicative mood is a statement of fact.

Paul unequivocally, referred himself to be the chief (first in rank) of sinners in the present tense and he was making a statement of fact, not fiction, and he wanted to make sure everyone knew it, just in case they esteemed him above what it took the grace of God to make him to be as a sinner called by God to be an apostle to the Gentiles.

Eph 3:7-9 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given , that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
 
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Yes and Philippians 3 make it clear vr 12:not as though i had already attained, either were already perfect...:)
 
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