Self Examination: Do you understand the Gospel?
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I am witnessing people make arguments for doctrines that are completely contrary to Jesus' finished work at the cross of Calvary. Some facts about His sacrifice is that through Him we have been reconciled to God and have forgiveness of sins. Right? The veil has been broken, that which separated man from God (I.e, sin) has been dealt with so that man would be reconciled to God. That is the plan of reconciliation.
How do you go from faith in that truth, Christ crucified and resurrected for the purpose of reconciling sinful man to God, and then go to a doctrine that alienates man from God due to sin? Did I just miss something? Did Christ not just go to the cross 2000 years ago to deal with sin so that we would no longer be alienated from God? I am perplexed at how these doctrines of sin confession and repentance are being used to distance God, our heavenly Father, from His children when He made sure nothing could separate them from His love by Christ's sacrifice.
Do people understand the Gospel? These are simple, foundational, truths about the Gospel and yet, some how, something has gone amiss that people are trying to obtain something Jesus already paid for with His blood (I.e, forgiveness of sin and reconciliation/communion with God). I am genuinely perplexed and annoyed even, that people are espousing doctrines contrary to the basic tenets of the faith.
You ARE reconciled to God, you HAVE forgiveness of sins and you ARE in the light for you are in Jesus Christ. Don't listen to people's religious ideas that replace faith in Christ for some practice. People, please, grasp the very basic tenets of the faith and understand what Jesus accomplished for you. Please. It is frustrating to witness people trying to obtain something that Jesus paid for with His sacrifice only to have it ignored and sought after through some other means. Give the glory to God and commune with God. Have fellowship, you are reconciled!
How do you go from faith in that truth, Christ crucified and resurrected for the purpose of reconciling sinful man to God, and then go to a doctrine that alienates man from God due to sin? Did I just miss something? Did Christ not just go to the cross 2000 years ago to deal with sin so that we would no longer be alienated from God? I am perplexed at how these doctrines of sin confession and repentance are being used to distance God, our heavenly Father, from His children when He made sure nothing could separate them from His love by Christ's sacrifice.
Do people understand the Gospel? These are simple, foundational, truths about the Gospel and yet, some how, something has gone amiss that people are trying to obtain something Jesus already paid for with His blood (I.e, forgiveness of sin and reconciliation/communion with God). I am genuinely perplexed and annoyed even, that people are espousing doctrines contrary to the basic tenets of the faith.
You ARE reconciled to God, you HAVE forgiveness of sins and you ARE in the light for you are in Jesus Christ. Don't listen to people's religious ideas that replace faith in Christ for some practice. People, please, grasp the very basic tenets of the faith and understand what Jesus accomplished for you. Please. It is frustrating to witness people trying to obtain something that Jesus paid for with His sacrifice only to have it ignored and sought after through some other means. Give the glory to God and commune with God. Have fellowship, you are reconciled!
Maybe I didn't have my hypergrace secret decoder ring then (whenever that was, I don't remember). Go ahead. Try again. I'm all ears.
For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15
For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15
Galatians 2:21
"I do not nullify the Grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose"
I dont believe that slipping up on a law removes us from His Grace. I would agree that we should forgive our brothers (I dont think I actually understand the context of this conversation here) but I dont believe that failing to keep a law will condemn you forever, unless you actually refused what God wants (not repenting of your sins).
"I do not nullify the Grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose"
I dont believe that slipping up on a law removes us from His Grace. I would agree that we should forgive our brothers (I dont think I actually understand the context of this conversation here) but I dont believe that failing to keep a law will condemn you forever, unless you actually refused what God wants (not repenting of your sins).
Self examination is good.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
The gospel is received with faith like a little child.
Mt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I knew nothing of doctrinal things before I was saved. I knew only that I was a sinner and that sinners die and are condemned. I knew that I deserved to be condemned because I was not good enough to satisfy God. I was good enough to satisfy me but not God. I was not concerned about the denomination of the person witnessing to me. I did not know that Jack Chick was to be despised and reviled. I only knew that God was confronting me with my sin and Jesus Christ's righteousness. I was able to perceive the differences between the religious phonies and what God was showing me from His word.
I was not encumbered with doctrinal things like baptism or communion or what was to be expected of me except that if I trusted Christ as my Savior my life would be changed. My life has changed since I received Christ as my Savior. It needed to change because sin was not promoting joy in my life nor the lives of those around me.
My initial doubts about Jesus really saving me have long since melted away and I have no interest in ever returning to the old life. Trial and struggles are present every day but with Jesus as my Savior they are not the problem they would have been had I to face them alone.
My God has protected me and taken care that I should be taught sound doctrine in word of God. Don't expect new converts to be theologians but care for them as new born babes in the Lord.
Oh look what Jesus said of the religious leaders of His time.
Mt 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
The gospel is received with faith like a little child.
Mt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I knew nothing of doctrinal things before I was saved. I knew only that I was a sinner and that sinners die and are condemned. I knew that I deserved to be condemned because I was not good enough to satisfy God. I was good enough to satisfy me but not God. I was not concerned about the denomination of the person witnessing to me. I did not know that Jack Chick was to be despised and reviled. I only knew that God was confronting me with my sin and Jesus Christ's righteousness. I was able to perceive the differences between the religious phonies and what God was showing me from His word.
I was not encumbered with doctrinal things like baptism or communion or what was to be expected of me except that if I trusted Christ as my Savior my life would be changed. My life has changed since I received Christ as my Savior. It needed to change because sin was not promoting joy in my life nor the lives of those around me.
My initial doubts about Jesus really saving me have long since melted away and I have no interest in ever returning to the old life. Trial and struggles are present every day but with Jesus as my Savior they are not the problem they would have been had I to face them alone.
My God has protected me and taken care that I should be taught sound doctrine in word of God. Don't expect new converts to be theologians but care for them as new born babes in the Lord.
Oh look what Jesus said of the religious leaders of His time.
Mt 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
That scripture can throw people off if they don't understand the different covenants.
Here is a great teaching on exactly that...what about forgiveness..is it really conditional after the cross?
Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15) click the link below to get the teaching..reading the comments below are great too...and youc an ask a question too if you like..
Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15) – Escape to Reality
Here is a great teaching on exactly that...what about forgiveness..is it really conditional after the cross?
Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15) click the link below to get the teaching..reading the comments below are great too...and youc an ask a question too if you like..
Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15) – Escape to Reality
It wouldn't be grace if that were the case. I think a lot of it boils down to having a forgiving heart.
“For this [reason] the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man—a king—who wanted to settle accounts with his slaves. And [when] he began to settle [them], someone was brought to him who owed ten thousand talents. And [because] he did not have [enough] to repay [it], the master ordered him to be sold, and his wife and his children and everything that he had, and to be repaid.
Then the slave threw himself to the ground [and] began to do obeisance to him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay back everything to you!’ So the master of that slave, [because he] had compassion, released him and forgave him the loan.
But that slave went out [and] found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii, and taking hold of him, he began to choke [him], saying, ‘Pay back everything that you owe!’ Then his fellow slave threw himself to the ground [and] began to implore him, saying, ‘Be patient with me and I will repay you!’ But he did not want to, but rather he went [and] threw him into prison until he would repay what was owed.
So [when] his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were extremely distressed, and went [and] reported to their master everything that had happened.
Then his master summoned him [and] said to him, ‘Wicked slave! I forgave you all that debt because you implored me! Should you not also have shown mercy to your fellow slave as I also showed mercy to you?’ And [because he] was angry, his master handed him over to the merciless jailers until he would repay everything that was owed. So also my heavenly Father will do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from your hearts!” Matthew 18:23-35
Then the slave threw himself to the ground [and] began to do obeisance to him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay back everything to you!’ So the master of that slave, [because he] had compassion, released him and forgave him the loan.
But that slave went out [and] found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii, and taking hold of him, he began to choke [him], saying, ‘Pay back everything that you owe!’ Then his fellow slave threw himself to the ground [and] began to implore him, saying, ‘Be patient with me and I will repay you!’ But he did not want to, but rather he went [and] threw him into prison until he would repay what was owed.
So [when] his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were extremely distressed, and went [and] reported to their master everything that had happened.
Then his master summoned him [and] said to him, ‘Wicked slave! I forgave you all that debt because you implored me! Should you not also have shown mercy to your fellow slave as I also showed mercy to you?’ And [because he] was angry, his master handed him over to the merciless jailers until he would repay everything that was owed. So also my heavenly Father will do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from your hearts!” Matthew 18:23-35
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I do not get you
1. Christ died 2000 years ago
2. Scripture says we were chosen and saved before the foundation of the world (long before he died)
3. Jesus said we who believe are not condemned. But has in their possession eternal life.
How do you get past sins (which were present sins when all these things were said to be true) only?
1. Christ died 2000 years ago
2. Scripture says we were chosen and saved before the foundation of the world (long before he died)
3. Jesus said we who believe are not condemned. But has in their possession eternal life.
How do you get past sins (which were present sins when all these things were said to be true) only?
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No one can understand God or His Word until they are born again.
That is when the process of learning and understanding begins and should continue as long as you live.
It is only when we are with our Lord will our education will be completed.
What is sad is that most never get past the milk to the meat of the Word because they do not put forth the effort and time needed to learn.
Those are the ones who cause many problems in God's family and His churches.
That is when the process of learning and understanding begins and should continue as long as you live.
It is only when we are with our Lord will our education will be completed.
What is sad is that most never get past the milk to the meat of the Word because they do not put forth the effort and time needed to learn.
Those are the ones who cause many problems in God's family and His churches.
The author of this site is in error man. This is the heart of hyper-grace theology.
"Religious people often complain that we grace preachers don’t emphasize repentance sufficiently. It’s true. I hardly emphasize it at all. But then neither did the Apostle John. You’d think if salvation hinged on our repentance then it would be in the gospels but John says nothing about it. Not one word. Neither does he mention repentance in any of his three letters. I guess John must’ve been a grace preacher." -Paul Ellis
Link
Matthew 4
[SUP]17 [/SUP]From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Luke 24
[SUP]46 [/SUP]and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, [SUP]47 [/SUP]and that repentance and[SUP][c][/SUP] forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
"Religious people often complain that we grace preachers don’t emphasize repentance sufficiently. It’s true. I hardly emphasize it at all. But then neither did the Apostle John. You’d think if salvation hinged on our repentance then it would be in the gospels but John says nothing about it. Not one word. Neither does he mention repentance in any of his three letters. I guess John must’ve been a grace preacher." -Paul Ellis
Link
Matthew 4
[SUP]17 [/SUP]From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Luke 24
[SUP]46 [/SUP]and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, [SUP]47 [/SUP]and that repentance and[SUP][c][/SUP] forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
It's obvious you took that out of context...here is what he says about repentance..
Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance
Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance – Escape to Reality
Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance
Myth 1: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Repentance – Escape to Reality
It's not out of context. It was a complete finished thought. By his own admission he claims he doesn't preach repentance because it's not important. The bible begs to differ. Jesus himself begs to differ. If this man doesn't even understand the basic Gospel, why would we trust him to interpret other scripture for us?
I do it for other people to go see what is being said.....so that they can make a decision on what is being said. This constant going back and forth is useless as we just go around the mulberry bush....and nothing really gets taught.
There are people that go and look and feed themselves..I get emails all the time thanking me for posting them....those agains grace will not be persuaded by these "duals" on here...
There are people that go and look and feed themselves..I get emails all the time thanking me for posting them....those agains grace will not be persuaded by these "duals" on here...
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Where did he say that? This is what he said in the area Grace sent us too..
“Hyper-grace preachers say there’s no need for repentance. They dismiss repentance as unbelief.” Actually, hyper-grace preachers are for repentance, not against it. We say things like “repentance is essential” and “repentance is to be our lifestyle.” We are for repentance, for without it no one can receive the grace of God.
“Hyper-grace preachers say there’s no need for repentance. They dismiss repentance as unbelief.” Actually, hyper-grace preachers are for repentance, not against it. We say things like “repentance is essential” and “repentance is to be our lifestyle.” We are for repentance, for without it no one can receive the grace of God.