Serious Questions about the Trinity

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Jesus is God the Father Son and Holy Ghost are not 3 seperates they r three in one in Deuteronomy 6:4 it says the Lord our God is one Lord thats means one Godp lain and simple the Bible says no one can see God and live that means see God in his Spiritual form because the Bible says God is a Spirit if u see God in the Spiritual form u would die so He came in the Flesh John 1:1 thats the only way we can be saved so He came in the Flesh as His Son thats why the Bible says I am in the Father a.d the Father is in me because God came in the Flesh to save us He and Jesus are not two separate s they are the same quick examples the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days the Scripture says he was talking about his body so God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he will raise himself up in three days so put them together Jesus is God another example when Phillip said show us the Father and it. Will satisfy us Jesus said have I been so long time with u and u still don't know me whoever has seen me has seen the. Father so he's saying im the Father because if he and his Father will separate from each other he would've said my Father is in Heaven but he didn't he said have I been so long with u a.d u still don't know me indicating He is the Father because the Scripture says im in the Father and the Father is in me not saying im over here and my Father is over there He said im in him and he's in me if he wasn't the Father he would've told Philip my Father is in heaven but he didn't God the Father was in the Flesh His Son telling them im here its me God u have known me and yet u don't believe anything im saying the Scripture says he came into his own and his own received him not these are just a few examples of how God is Jesus and the three are one not 3 separate z I have more Scriptures to back this up but ill say this for now God Bless u in Jesus name :)
 
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Jesus is God the Father Son and Holy Ghost are not 3 seperates they r three in one in Deuteronomy 6:4 it says the Lord our God is one Lord thats means one Godp lain and simple the Bible says no one can see God and live that means see God in his Spiritual form because the Bible says God is a Spirit if u see God in the Spiritual form u would die so He came in the Flesh John 1:1 thats the only way we can be saved so He came in the Flesh as His Son thats why the Bible says I am in the Father a.d the Father is in me because God came in the Flesh to save us He and Jesus are not two separate s they are the same quick examples the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days the Scripture says he was talking about his body so God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he will raise himself up in three days so put them together Jesus is God another example when Phillip said show us the Father and it. Will satisfy us Jesus said have I been so long time with u and u still don't know me whoever has seen me has seen the. Father so he's saying im the Father because if he and his Father will separate from each other he would've said my Father is in Heaven but he didn't he said have I been so long with u a.d u still don't know me indicating He is the Father because the Scripture says im in the Father and the Father is in me not saying im over here and my Father is over there He said im in him and he's in me if he wasn't the Father he would've told Philip my Father is in heaven but he didn't God the Father was in the Flesh His Son telling them im here its me God u have known me and yet u don't believe anything im saying the Scripture says he came into his own and his own received him not these are just a few examples of how God is Jesus and the three are one not 3 separate z I have more Scriptures to back this up but ill say this for now God Bless u in Jesus name :)
I have to disagree with you the Bible teaches the trinity. This is a post that I posted.
Genesis 1:26
(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 11:6-7
(6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Deuteronomy 6:4
(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

H259
אחד
'echâd
ekh-awd'
A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

The word one in Deuteronomy 6:4 means one as in united not one as in singular

Here is some more info
John 1:1-2
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.

These verses show both singularity and oneness.

John 14:23
(23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Even Jesus referred to Himself and the Father as our. This is only a small sample there is much more on the trinity
 
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Jesus is God the Father Son and Holy Ghost are not 3 seperates they r three in one in Deuteronomy 6:4 it says the Lord our God is one Lord thats means one Godp lain and simple the Bible says no one can see God and live that means see God in his Spiritual form because the Bible says God is a Spirit if u see God in the Spiritual form u would die so He came in the Flesh John 1:1 thats the only way we can be saved so He came in the Flesh as His Son thats why the Bible says I am in the Father a.d the Father is in me because God came in the Flesh to save us He and Jesus are not two separate s they are the same quick examples the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days the Scripture says he was talking about his body so God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he will raise himself up in three days so put them together Jesus is God another example when Phillip said show us the Father and it. Will satisfy us Jesus said have I been so long time with u and u still don't know me whoever has seen me has seen the. Father so he's saying im the Father because if he and his Father will separate from each other he would've said my Father is in Heaven but he didn't he said have I been so long with u a.d u still don't know me indicating He is the Father because the Scripture says im in the Father and the Father is in me not saying im over here and my Father is over there He said im in him and he's in me if he wasn't the Father he would've told Philip my Father is in heaven but he didn't God the Father was in the Flesh His Son telling them im here its me God u have known me and yet u don't believe anything im saying the Scripture says he came into his own and his own received him not these are just a few examples of how God is Jesus and the three are one not 3 separate z I have more Scriptures to back this up but ill say this for now God Bless u in Jesus name :)
The Father and the son are not the same person. As presented in post#102 by Laodicea, this is how echad should be understood, not as referring to numerically one. There were some teachers like Praxeas, Noetus and the sabellians in the 100-300s AD who taught various forms of "modalism" or "oneness". Their doctrines were not recognized by the church councils, but were rejected because they did not line up with the doctrine of the Godhead that had been held in the churches until then.

“We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation...[which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Tertullian - Against Praxeas p. 156-7).
 
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The Bible never says they r one in faith meaning they r separate it says one if Jesus wasn't God how come when Philip asked Jesus show us the Father Jesus said have I been so long time with u n u still don't know me he's saying im the Father n u don't reconize me if He a.d the Father r different from each other how come he didn't tell Philip my Father is in heaven he's somewhere else if he said that then I could see why their different from each other but he said otherwise he said have I been so long time with u n u still don't know me he who seen me has seen the Father because the Father was in Him Jesus is the Father if he wasn't he would've gave Phillip a different answer God bless u
 
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The Bible never says they r one in faith meaning they r separate it says one if Jesus wasn't God how come when Philip asked Jesus show us the Father Jesus said have I been so long time with u n u still don't know me he's saying im the Father n u don't reconize me if He a.d the Father r different from each other how come he didn't tell Philip my Father is in heaven he's somewhere else if he said that then I could see why their different from each other but he said otherwise he said have I been so long time with u n u still don't know me he who seen me has seen the Father because the Father was in Him Jesus is the Father if he wasn't he would've gave Phillip a different answer God bless u
Jesus came to reveal what the Father is like in character
Matthew 11:27
(27) All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

 
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That doesn't answer my question I said if Jesus wasn't the Father how come when Philip asked.
Jesus to show the Father he said have.I been so long time with u he was saying that he was the Father if Jesus a.d God aren't the same and r separate then Jesus would've told Philip my Father is in heaven when Phillip asked him show us the Father but he didn't. He said a answer that made it clear he was the Father .
 
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That doesn't answer my question I said if Jesus wasn't the Father how come when Philip asked.
Jesus to show the Father he said have.I been so long time with u he was saying that he was the Father if Jesus a.d God aren't the same and r separate then Jesus would've told Philip my Father is in heaven when Phillip asked him show us the Father but he didn't. He said a answer that made it clear he was the Father .
Phillip is not asking what He looks like but, what He is like as a person, His character
 

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1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



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Jesus also says that the Father is greater than he. I think this is a helpful verse in understanding what role Jesus plays as God. God has manifested himself many times in the past as different things, but I don't think these manifestations could contain who God really is. In fact it is said that we live and move and exist in God. It is not said that God lives and moves and exists in the universe. And these manifestations could be found in our own world on our own tiny planet.

Therefore he would have to be greater than these manifestations - and that includes Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus increased in wisdom and favor with man. How can God increase in wisdom? Wouldn't that imply that at one point he was lacking in wisdom?

But Jesus' spirit was the Holy Spirit - God. I do not believe our spirits are the Holy Spirit, especially before we accept Christ and still remain unsaved men. And if our flesh is temporary, then who are we really? We are our spirits. So who is Jesus really? He is God.

But as the Bible says, Jesus took on the appearance of sinful flesh. He became a human manifestation of God. And this manifestation had limitations. One of those limitations was knowledge. But technically since his spirit is God he has the potential to accomplish all things. It is just that the manifestation of God that is specifically Jesus is a limited form. And maybe Jesus wants us to know that.

I think Jesus, as a fleshy manifestation of the heavenly God, was also subject to the same temptations as we. The Bible says as much. Since Jesus had a physical body could he be tempted by hunger? Yes, he could. The Bible says that Satan tempted him with hunger in the wilderness when he asked him to turn some stones into bread. So I believe when Jesus asks not for his own will to be done but for his Father's he is saying that he desires a great many things for his flesh (for instance, not suffering on the cross as he prayed about in the Garden) but that he ultimately wishes and prays for his Father's will to be done.

I think Jesus was essentially God, but, for the sake of his audience who only saw his flesh, he often differentiated between his flesh and the Father. This differentiation was summed up with the terms "Son" and "Father", but it still follows that a son is at least part of the father. And Jesus was more the Son of God than any one of us, because he was God's only begotten. I believe the part that Jesus had in him was the Spirit of God and therefore was essentially God just as we are essentially our spirits. After his resurrection we see Jesus saying that whoever has seen him (Jesus) has seen the Father (God). This was true of Abraham when God came to his tent with two angels, for in that instance Abraham calls the man-like manifestation of God "Adonai" which is a word for "lord" or "master" that is largely - if not solely - applied to God in the Bible.
 
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Ladoceia Phillip did not ask Jesus how does God look in character if that was the case then he would've said tell us what the Father is llike but he didn't he said show us the Father and how come the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he himself would raise vhimself in three days Jesus is saying im God
 
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Ladoceia Phillip did not ask Jesus how does God look in character if that was the case then he would've said tell us what the Father is llike but he didn't he said show us the Father and how come the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he himself would raise vhimself in three days Jesus is saying im God

If Jesus and the Father were the same person the Jesus would have contradicted Himself
John 1:18
(18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 14:9
(9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


 
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Just a question - If Jesus is God - Did God lie when he said - This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased - when he said - for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. . . . ?


 

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Just a question - If Jesus is God - Did God lie when he said - This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased - when he said - for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. . . . ?
God also seems to treat the Holy Spirit as a being that is separate from a singular nature as we humans imagine it. You can see this in the Father's act of sending to us the Comforter (i.e. the Holy Spirit). I think the terms "Son" and "Father" are used to differentiate between the flesh of Jesus and the Spirit of God that lived in him. But a son is part of his father, and so Jesus' divine part is most certainly his Spirit which is God's Spirit. You can read the post I previously wrote above this one. Just my opinion, but felt it was worth sharing again since no one's opposed it.
 
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God also seems to treat the Holy Spirit as a being that is separate from a singular nature as we humans imagine it. You can see this in the Father's act of sending to us the Comforter (i.e. the Holy Spirit). I think the terms "Son" and "Father" are used to differentiate between the flesh of Jesus and the Spirit of God that lived in him. But a son is part of his father, and so Jesus' divine part is most certainly his Spirit which is God's Spirit. You can read the post I previously wrote above this one. Just my opinion, but felt it was worth sharing again since no one's opposed it.
If your saying the Son and the Father are one and the same then I disagree. because then we would have a duality and not a Trinity.
 
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Ladoceia I agree the Bible says nobody seen God at any time but its talking about His Spiritual form thats why even Moses couldn't see God he just heard his voice so I agree thats why the Bible says noone has seen God at any time but since we were in trouble and on our way to eternal death God knew he had to save us but he couldn't come in his spiritual form because of Scripture so he had to come in the Flesh of his Son according to 1st Timothy 3:16 God was manifested in the Flesh he had came in the Flesh of his Son so he can save us so to speak he was using the Flesh as his mask to cover his true identity his Spiritual form but it was Him behind the Flesh according to the Bible John 14 when he told Philip have I been so long time with u if Phillip was asking Jesus what was the Father like in character the Bible would've said that but Scripture doesn't say that thats why when Jesus came to the Jews they didn't except him because they believe that he wasn't from God and thought he spoke blasphemy making himself equal to God and Scripture says he came to the Jews his own but they didn't except him because even though they knew the Father throughout the old testament hen he came in the Flesh in the new testament they didn't except and reconize him because he couldn't break hid word according to the Bible God could never lie so it was Him manifested in the Flesh but the Jews didn't except him
 

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If your saying the Son and the Father are one and the same then I disagree. because then we would have a duality and not a Trinity.
Have you ever read that passage that talks about the "seven spirits of God" or the "sevenfold Spirit of God"?
 
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If your saying the Son and the Father are one and the same then I disagree. because then we would have a duality and not a Trinity.


Exactly. While I can see why most would embrace a Trinitarian position, in my personal opinion, 'duality' makes much more scriptural sense. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual extension / manifestation (spiritual hands, feet, voice) of God the Father while Jesus is the bodily extension (human manifestation) of God the Father.

Here's something I posted in the thread marked 'Jesus is not God' that I feel is relevant to this conversation also:

Jesus was / is the Holy Spirit adorned (wrapped) in human flesh. Did Jesus have a mind / will of his own? Yes, for Jesus mentions several times in scripture that he does not his own will but rather, he does what he sees the Father doing.

I strongly suggest that people do their research, look up the scriptural context every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of God' and every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of man'. When Jesus refers to himself as 'Son of God', he is referring to his own divinity. When he calls himself 'son of man', he is referring to his humanity. For example, every time Jesus speaks about his coming crucifixion, he refers to himself as the 'son of man' because it is his body that is about to crucified.

It's a very interesting study and one that will not only help people understand the duality of Christ but also the duality of a true born again believer who understands what it means to bring his or her flesh under subjection and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Exactly. While I can see why most would embrace a Trinitarian position, in my personal opinion, 'duality' makes much more scriptural sense. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual extension / manifestation (spiritual hands, feet, voice) of God the Father while Jesus is the bodily extension (human manifestation) of God the Father.


What your proposing isn't a duality either. In your model The Son and the Holy Ghost are simply "modes" (or manifestations as you called them) of the Father, thus giving us Modalism, a form of oneness. To have a duality Christ would have to be eternally existent and distinct from the Father and not simply a manifestation of the Father.


Jesus was / is the Holy Spirit adorned (wrapped) in human flesh. Did Jesus have a mind / will of his own? Yes, for Jesus mentions several times in scripture that he does not his own will but rather, he does what he sees the Father doing.
Obviously I disagree, Christ is eternally existent and distinct from the Holy Ghost.

I strongly suggest that people do their research, look up the scriptural context every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of God' and every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of man'. When Jesus refers to himself as 'Son of God', he is referring to his own divinity. When he calls himself 'son of man', he is referring to his humanity. For example, every time Jesus speaks about his coming crucifixion, he refers to himself as the 'son of man' because it is his body that is about to crucified.
Don't see how that promotes a Duality view of God. It simply illustrates the dual nature of Christ and no Trinitarian denies that.
 
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What your proposing isn't a duality either. In your model The Son and the Holy Ghost are simply "modes" (or manifestations as you called them) of the Father, thus giving us Modalism, a form of oneness. To have a duality Christ would have to be eternally existent and distinct from the Father and not simply a manifestation of the Father.
Obviously I disagree, Christ is eternally existent and distinct from the Holy Ghost.
Don't see how that promotes a Duality view of God. It simply illustrates the dual nature of Christ and no Trinitarian denies that.

THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT are not three divine persons in one
God; they are three descriptive titles of God that show us how God has brought us
salvation. First of all, we know that“God is a Spirit”(John 4:24). And, as Jesus
said,“A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have”(Luke 24:39). As
Spirit, God is said to be invisible. John 1:18 says that“No one has seen God at any
time.”As Spirit, God is said to be eternal. Hebrews 9:14 speaks of“the eternal
Spirit.”So as Spirit, God has no flesh and bones, cannot be seen, and cannot die.
But after man sinned, it became necessary that a proper blood sacrifice be offered
as an atonement for sin. This is called salvation. Ezekiel 22:30 says,“So I sought
for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on
behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one.”Isaiah 63:5
says,“I looked, but there was no one to help, and I wondered that there was no
one to uphold; therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me....”13
There was no man who could qualify as a sufficient sacrifice, for all had sinned and
come short of the glory of God. So God’s own arm brought salvation. In other
words, God did it Himself. He became the sacrifice. But to do this He had to become
man, since as Spirit He had no blood and He couldn’t die. This is the essence of God’s
plan for man from eternity.
 
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John 1:1says,“In the beginning was the Word [logos], and the Word [logos] was
with God, and the Word [logos] was God.”The word logos can have two
meanings which are different yet closely related. It can mean a thought or idea, but
it can also mean the expression of a thought or idea.
The Greeks used the term“Interior Logos,”which means an idea, a concept, a
mental image, and the term“Exterior Logos,”which refers to the expression or
actualization of an idea or concept. In the Bible, the Logos was God’s plan. In the
beginning was the Plan, and the Plan was with God [in His mind], and the Plan was
God [that He would make Himself known].
What did God plan? 1 Peter 1:18-21describes His plan this way:“Knowing that
you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your
aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious
blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was
foreordained before the foundation of the world [Interior Logos], but was manifest
[Exterior Logos] in these last times for you.”
God foreordained [planned in advance] the shedding of Christ’s blood before the
beginning. In other words, He planned to come into His creation as a man and
shed His own blood. This is how Paul can say in Acts 20:28 that God purchased
the Church with“His own blood.”
Galatians 4:4-5 says,“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth
His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under
the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.”At the exact time He
planned, the Son came forth. Ephesians 1:3-4 tells us that God chose us in Christ
before the beginning. Romans 8:29-30 tells us that God foresaw the whole
company of believers in Him. 2 Timothy 1:8-10 reveals that God gave us grace
before the beginning. Titus 1:1-3 says that God promised us eternal life before the
beginning. And John 17:5,24 tells us that God loved His plan before the beginning.
Nothing is more important to God than the accomplishment of His plan. So in the
beginning God had a plan. And that plan was“with God.”It was in His heart. It
was in His mind. He was thinking about it, considering it, envisaging it. And that
plan“was God.”The plan was that God would reveal Himself to man—that the
invisible God would make Himself known, that the Interior Logos would be14
transformed into Exterior Logos. The interior is the mystery concealed. The exterior
is the mystery revealed. Therefore John 1:14 says,“And the Word became flesh and
dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father, full of grace and truth.”
According to 1 Timothy 3:16, the mystery is that God [the invisible Father of the
Christ] was manifested [rendered visible] in the flesh [not just in a body, but in a
human being]. 2 Corinthians 5:19 says,“God [the invisible Father of Christ] was in
Christ reconciling the world to Himself.”God’s own image of Himself became
flesh and bone and dwelt among us. We call this the Incarnation. This is Jesus of
Nazareth, the uniquely begotten Son of God.
This is why the Son is called“the image of the invisible God”(Colossians 1:15).
He is that aspect of God which can be seen. So we can see that to bring us
salvation, there had to be a Son. The term“Son”always relates to the Incarnation.
It always refers to one who was born. Speaking as the Son, Jesus never said,“I am
the Father.”Why? It’s because He was more than the Father. He was the Father in
the Son. He was God manifested in the flesh.
Who was the Father of the Son of God? Luke 1:35 says,“And the angel answered
and said to her,‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the
Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One [holy thing] who is to
be born will be called the Son of God.’”Matthew 1:20 says,“That which is
conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.”When the Spirit of God brought forth the
conception of the Son in Mary, God became the literal Father of Christ.