Serious Questions about the Trinity

[zackabba]

Jesus is fully God and fully man,so that explains it.Either He was speaking from His human side or His deity side.He knows all things as God,but the Son,flesh,does not know all things.The Son,flesh,is inferior to God,and prays to God,and had to do everything a human has to do to be right with God for the salvation of mankind.No man can do this so God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which means Jesus is the one true God manifest in flesh.

The Bible says that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and that explains it,that is all.That is as close to a trinity as you will get.There is God with no distinction of persons,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.2 persons,God and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.Jesus would talk either from His human side or His deity side.

That is why Jesus would claim to be God,and then claim that the Son is inferior to the Father,because He is fully God and fully man,and would talk either from His deity side or human side.Jesus is God personally in a visible manifestation and the visible relationship of God to the saints.

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem(Luke 24:47).

If someone does not want to believe that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,then explain why Luke says remission of sins,which occurs in baptism,as told by Peter in Acts 2:38,is to be preached in Jesus' name,and add to that,in the book of Acts,Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in Jesus' name,all things done in word and deed are to be done in Jesus' name,there is no other name under heaven whereby we are saved,but the name Jesus,and all power in heaven and earth has been given to Jesus,so why would we baptize in any other name but Jesus.

It says baptize in the name,singular,of the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,so there is one name to identify these titles,and these are titles not names.Father,and Son,are not names,but titles for a position,and Holy Ghost is not a name,but God is a Holy Ghost.The name is Jesus,which is the name that is above all names,not only in this world but in the world to come.

How is Father a name,and if it is a name,then how can the name of Jesus be above that name,since the name of Jesus is above all names,not only in this world,but in the world to come,the New Jerusalem.How is Son a name,and why does it say name,and not names.

Why would Jesus tell Luke baptize in His name,and then tell Matthew baptize Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,unless Jesus was telling them that the name is Jesus,and the disciples baptized Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is fully God and fully man,and that explains it.He can either talk as God or as a human.That is as close to a trinity as you will get,2 persons,God and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is God as well

 

[zackabba]

ZACK, the example I used to hear years ago was that the Trinity was like water - made up of all the same components but in 3 distinctly different 'forms': solid (the Father), liquid (the Son), and steam (the Holy Spirit). And so it is with the Holy Trinity - Father (Heavenly), Son (Earthly), and the Holy Spirit (Spiritually). All 3 worked together to undo the Fall of Man and bring about an end to our captivity in sin. God bless you and your hunger for Godly knowledge and understanding! You'll be rewarded one day if you haven't already been. And no question is ever too dumb to ask. We all wanna get to the same place eventually.

Well, thank you for the example (proposed by C.S. Lewis ) - I tend to avoid those kind of examples when explaining God because...they tend to downgrade Him to nature. That's not a lash against you - I'm just saying what I feel about it now.

Grace and Love

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Well, thank you for the example (proposed by C.S. Lewis ) - I tend to avoid those kind of examples when explaining God because...they tend to downgrade Him to nature. That's not a lash against you - I'm just saying what I feel about it now.

Grace and Love

Exactly. Such analogies pattern the uncreated after the created. Besides, H2O can't simultaneously be water, ice, which would propose Modalism.

Descriptors aren't definers. Trinity is conceptualized Ideology. Let's stick with scripture and exegesis. Thus... no "persons".

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

The Holy Spirit is God as well

But the Holy Spirit doesn't have to be distinct as a "person" to be God.

Many point to pronoun usage for "personhood", which is fallacious; AND it works against personhood in passages like Romans 8:26, "...but the Spirit ITself...". Can't have it both ways about pronouns and just ignore the non-personal ones.

The Father is God's Self (Soul); the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit; Jesus is the embodiment (Body) of God's own singular "person". Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. The spoken substance and identity of Transcendent God became an Immanent Man for us to see and know Him. God tangibly personified Himself, yet the Son is eternally distinct from the Father, because He was born as a man in whom dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead... bodily.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

the most simple way that I could always explain the Trinity to my children and to new believers was to use the egg.....there isn't any theology involved but for a "simple" understanding I feel it is effective....you have one egg....if you break the egg, it becomes 3 seperate parts.....the egg white, the egg yolk & the egg shell.....it is still one egg but yet can be seperated into three different parts....like I said, it isn't the greatest theology you will ever hear, but, it is a simple explaination.....God bless....

That would represent Spirit-Soul-Body with all corporeal parts, not Trinity. These conceptualized descriptions of Ideology are ridiculous. And they're being taught to children. Ideology over Theology, from Indoctrination as early as childhood.

God should not be reduced to egg comparisons by those who have no clue about God's nature.

 

[Nalu]

the most simple way that I could always explain the Trinity to my children and to new believers was to use the egg.....there isn't any theology involved but for a "simple" understanding I feel it is effective....you have one egg....if you break the egg, it becomes 3 seperate parts.....the egg white, the egg yolk & the egg shell.....it is still one egg but yet can be seperated into three different parts....like I said, it isn't the greatest theology you will ever hear, but, it is a simple explaination.....God bless....

Simple, practical and True. Thank's Mac'sWife.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Many point to pronoun usage for "personhood", which is fallacious;

Why is this fallacious?

 

[shroom2]

Simple, practical and True. Thank's Mac'sWife.

Deuteronomy 6:4

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 1:

I believe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same person, just as a man can simultaneously be a husband, father, and son.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 2:

Jesus calls God “Father.” It would seem to be natural, then, to call him “He.” I don’t see where a fourth person enters the subject. I don’t see where a second or third person enter, either. There is just one. (As I said earlier, I believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same person.)

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 3:

For our benefit, God needs to be a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He sometimes needs to discuss these three responsibilities. It makes it sound like he is three different people, but he is only one.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 4:

I believe Jesus is simply God in flesh.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 5:

Jesus frequently speaks of his Father. I believe Jesus and the Father are the same person, but I also believe Jesus is setting an example for us how we are to treat our Father in heaven.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

God is not flesh, but he decided to become flesh for a period of time as Jesus, and perhaps will do so again.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 7:

My best guess is that the return of Jesus depended on what we human beings did.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 8:

I believe in just one Lord. I usually call him “Father,” but I think we can call him “Jesus,” “Holy Spirit,” “Lord,” and probably other respectful things.

 

[resurrection33]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

My answer to question 6:

God is not flesh, but he decided to become flesh for a period of time as Jesus, and perhaps will do so again.

I already answered this, but I forgot to mention it was in response to question 6.

 

[Laodicea]

Genesis 1:26
(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 11:6-7
(6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Deuteronomy 6:4
(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

H259
אחד
'echâd
ekh-awd'
A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.

The word one in Deuteronomy 6:4 means one as in united not one as in singular

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

But the Holy Spirit doesn't have to be distinct as a "person" to be God.

Many point to pronoun usage for "personhood", which is fallacious; AND it works against personhood in passages like Romans 8:26, "...but the Spirit ITself...". Can't have it both ways about pronouns and just ignore the non-personal ones.

The Father is God's Self (Soul); the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit; Jesus is the embodiment (Body) of God's own singular "person". Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. The spoken substance and identity of Transcendent God became an Immanent Man for us to see and know Him. God tangibly personified Himself, yet the Son is eternally distinct from the Father, because He was born as a man in whom dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead... bodily.

Are you saying, then, that Jesus Christ is a Body, without a Soul/Spirit?

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Are you saying, then, that Jesus Christ is a Body, without a Soul/Spirit?

It says right there that all the fullness of the godhead dwelt in Jesus.