Should We Still Keep the Feasts

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

By all means. "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." (Romans 12:1-2)

By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is , the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. (Hebrews 13:15)

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

birdie said:

One way to look at this is to ask what is meant when the Bible tells us to 'keep' something. For example, many people go to church on Saturday or Sunday and think that they are 'keeping' the sabbath or sabbaths. Yet that is not really 'keeping' the sabbath(s). Exodus 31:13 tells us to 'keep' the sabbaths because it is a sign the the Lord sanctifies his people. In other words, when a person is saved, they are already 'keeping' the sabbaths. Why? Because the Lord has done all of the work of sanctifying them(of saving them). That is why there is the shadow tradition of not doing any work. It was a picture of how Jesus does ALL of the work of saving someone. The saved person doesn't do the work of saving himself. Just doing the shadow rituals won't make any difference towards their salvation one way OR the other. Some people like to do the rituals because they read the Bible as a surface text and not a parable (Psalm 78:2) and think that God riquires the ritual. However, other people do not think it is required but find it useful to go through the ritual as a way of studying its components to see how the shadow ritual points to actual spiritual truth. The second way can be OK if it done as a study or learning. People should not tell others that they have to go to what man calls "church" on Saturday or Sunday in order to please God or further their salvation status. That would be untrue. People worshipping or praising God or preaching or reading the Bible is OK however, on any day, together or in groups, wouldn't anyone agree?
It is the same way with the Feasts of the Lord. People 'keep' the festival of Booths not by doing all the little rituals of building a hut in the wilderness, festooned with the physical acutriments ascribed to the ceremony, but, rather, they 'keep' the feast by being a saved person in God's word (a member of his building, not man's) at a particular time around the end of the church age, if you will.

Yes. Good thoughts.
The foliage in the feast of tabernacles have spiritual meaning. I had a hard time finding any websites with information. I actually found none, so I went to the Hebrew language for spiritual meaning. I found that this one particular feast describes the character of Christ and the relationship He has with His true church. I have a sincere desire to learn more. I have just scratched the surface.

john832 · Sep 22, 2014

just-me said:

Three Feast seasons...

Passover: Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Wave Sheaf
Pentecost: Pentecost
Fall Feast season: Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles and the Last Great Day

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

john832 said:

Yep, here is Paul leading the Corinthians (a Gentile church by the way) astray...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Wonder why He did this?

Act 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Why was the Fast ( the Day of Atonement) mentioned here and used as a season marker by Luke?

From Adam Clarke...

"Sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past - It is generally allowed that the fast mentioned here was that of the great day of atonement which was always celebrated on the tenth day of the seventh month, which would answer to the latter end of our September; see Lev_16:29; Lev_23:27, etc. As this was about the time of the autumnal equinox, when the Mediterranean Sea was sufficiently tempestuous, we may suppose this feast alone to be intended. To sail after this feast was proverbially dangerous among the ancient Jews. See proofs in Schoettgen."

When Christ returns, the world WILL keep the Feasts, there will be no choice...

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

I'm happy that you quoted Zechariah. We have something great and beyond description to look forward to.

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

john832 said:

When I was conversing with Laodicea I was mentioning these verses. Trying to keep it simple. I think summarizing them as the Bible mentions is less confusing to those who have never given thought to them.

Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Exodus 23:14

Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty: (Deuteronomy 16:16)

Laodicea · Sep 22, 2014

john832 said:

1 Corinthians 5:6-8 KJV
(6) Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
(7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
(8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

These are talking about the feast of unleavened bread and passover. Not in a literal aspect but, the true aspect as it relates to Christ. So Paul is not saying to literally keep it but to be changed from within by having Christ in the heart. Read the context of the chapter where Paul is referring to the sin in their lives and the need for change. This is what he is referring to not to keep it literally. What is the use of keeping any feast if we are not obedient.

1 Samuel 15:22 KJV
(22) And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Laodicea · Sep 22, 2014

john832 said:

Yes 7 feasts. Leviticus 23 has 7 feasts in three seasons.

Laodicea · Sep 22, 2014

just-me said:

When I was conversing with Laodicea I was mentioning these verses. Trying to keep it simple. I think summarizing them as the Bible mentions is less confusing to those who have never given thought to them.

Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. Exodus 23:14

Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose ; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty: (Deuteronomy 16:16)

While I do not keep the feasts it does not mean I have not studied them or understand them.

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

Laodicea said:

OK then. Let's discuss the spiritual concepts thereof as I mentioned in the thread about SDA. Would that be good with you? I could learn what you Spiritually understand about them and vise versa. That's cool with me.

john832 · Sep 22, 2014

Laodicea said:

Sure it is literal...

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Paul here is encouraging the Corinthians to become unleavened spiritually and then states they are already unleavened. How can that be? Because they had already put the physical leaven out. They had removed leavening and leavened products from their premises but still had some spiritual issues they had not dealt with...

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

And here they are admonished to keep the Feast with a clean heart.

KohenMatt · Sep 22, 2014

Bookends said:

James, Peter and Paul didn't mention a lot of things that the gentile converts should do. Does that mean all of the things they didn't mention shouldn't be done?

Laodicea · Sep 22, 2014

just-me said:

Ok first the feasts point to Christ.

Christ is our Passover
Christ is the bread from heaven
Christ is the firstfruits.

Pentecost is when Christ began His ministry as our High priest in the heavenly sanctuary. In the OT the priest was anointed with oil which flowed down.

Trumpets anounced the day of atonement
The day of atonement is mentioned in Daniel 8:14
Daniel 8:14 KJV
(14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This is a reference to the day of atonement. Read Daniel 8 and notice how many sanctuary symbols there are. Even the beasts used to represent Medo-Persia and Greece are sanctuary animals. So the day of atonement shows the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary. The trumpets anounces Christ's work on the day of atonement, to get the worlds atention, pointing to Christ.

Tabernacles is when we will be with Christ in heaven.

KohenMatt · Sep 22, 2014

Kerry said:

I suppose it means what your faith is in in keeping the Feast.
If your faith is in keeping the Feasts for you salvation, then we shouldn't.
If your faith is in keeping the Feasts to be obedient to our Savior, then yes we should.

Laodicea · Sep 22, 2014

john832 said:

So do you keep all the feasts and if so do you sacrifice, because look at Passover for example with no lamb there would be no passover, the day of atonement, no Lord's goat there would be no day of atonement.

KohenMatt · Sep 22, 2014

Kerry said:

Other than because God told us to and His wisdom is far greater than our rationalization?
Because it reminds us of what's been done and provides an opportunity to celebrate it.

just-me · Sep 22, 2014

Laodicea said:

Where are the 7 feasts in Leviticus 23? Trumpets and atonement are convocations, but I don't see them classified as a feast. Firstfruits may be classified as a feast but that is equated with the feast of weeks in Exodus 34:22. "And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end." Maybe you can help me to see the 7 feasts in Leviticus. Thanks in advance.

KohenMatt · Sep 22, 2014

Laodicea said:

And what is the sacrifice today, and where is God's temple that the sacrifice should be made at?

john832 · Sep 22, 2014

Laodicea said:

Ok first the feasts point to Christ.

Christ is our Passover
Christ is the bread from heaven
Christ is the firstfruits.

Pentecost is when Christ began His ministry as our High priest in the heavenly sanctuary. In the OT the priest was anointed with oil which flowed down.

Trumpets anounced the day of atonement
The day of atonement is mentioned in Daniel 8:14
Daniel 8:14 KJV
(14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This is a reference to the day of atonement. Read Daniel 8 and notice how many sanctuary symbols there are. Even the beasts used to represent Medo-Persia and Greece are sanctuary animals. So the day of atonement shows the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary. The trumpets anounces Christ's work on the day of atonement, to get the worlds atention, pointing to Christ.

Tabernacles is when we will be with Christ in heaven.

No, the Feasts do not just point to Christ, they shadow or point to the 7000 year plan of salvation for all of man.

john832 · Sep 22, 2014

KohenMatt said:

When is are the two goats separated?

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

KohenMatt · Sep 22, 2014

Should Christians keep them to be saved? No.
Should Christians keep them to be obedient to the one who saved them? Yes.

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