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This is the post that became the catalyst for this thread. All I was doing was looking for a church that taught the law in its proper Spiritual context. I want to learn and share. (convocate) I don't have a church home at this point because I esteem the law that God gave to Moses good for Christians and have been shunned numerous times, and expelled twice.
I understand. It can be a hard thing to find. I appreciate the SDA's desire to keep the Sabbath. But I know they don't hold the rest of the law in that high of a regard. That's usually found in certain niche churches and fellowships. And even in those places, theology can get real hairy real quick. That's why there are many who are quick denounce the whole of everyone who keeps the feasts and the law, because of generalities.
I doesn't think that there is any religions that is keeping up with the old traditions. Once a nation becomes tainted, their sacrifices aren't any good, it is because if a person has committed one single sin, has violated all of the laws; and so everything that they owned has become tainted. That is why God had told the Israelites to destroy all the wicked's possessions, down to their children and livestock, for it is worthless. So you cannot use a tainted animal as retribution for our sin, it has to be an unblemished sacrifice for to get rid of our sins. These festivals are suppose to be done at certain times of the years and even the Sabbath as well; and if the person is off one single hour, they are in violation of the laws. You can't even give an excuse for the violation, like if you were in the hospital in a coma. The reason for the laws is to show that we aren't perfect like God whom that can keep His word. God is letting us to know that there is no one that is able to be like Him, it is because that He is the only One. But God has came down to show us what we can be like, but there is no one that can be like Him.
Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
And these commandments were broken down into ten that show us how to respect Him and others. And desiring to have what your neighbor has like their spouse isn't showing respect, and the Sabbath is only to remember that one day you be with Him in paradise where you doesn't have to struggle to survive anymore like Adam and Eve had once did. And so remembering the Sabbath is waiting for that day to come and so that you can be with Him and that is showing love to God because you had made Him to be your reward, instead of money and which that is another thing that we had made into a god..
Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
And these commandments were broken down into ten that show us how to respect Him and others. And desiring to have what your neighbor has like their spouse isn't showing respect, and the Sabbath is only to remember that one day you be with Him in paradise where you doesn't have to struggle to survive anymore like Adam and Eve had once did. And so remembering the Sabbath is waiting for that day to come and so that you can be with Him and that is showing love to God because you had made Him to be your reward, instead of money and which that is another thing that we had made into a god..
Why would you say that? God believes that keeping His Feasts is so important that in the Millennium, He will severely punish those who will not keep them...
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Know what happens when there is no rain? Drought which brings on hunger and starvation which brings on disease epidemics. God is very serious about keeping His Feast Days.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Either the nations keep the Feasts or they receive severe correction.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Know what happens when there is no rain? Drought which brings on hunger and starvation which brings on disease epidemics. God is very serious about keeping His Feast Days.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Either the nations keep the Feasts or they receive severe correction.
Where is the love commandment concerning our neighbor in Exodus 20:3-17? Verse 6 seems to leave it up to us to define love and mercy toward others. I don't see the principles defined in those 14 verses like I do in the 8 verses preceding Leviticus 19:18. Exodus 20:3-7 are more comparable with Deuteronomy 6:1-6, and their definitions do complement each other, giving greater meaning to loving God as we ought. Thanks
Dearly beloved RedTent, how was the Passover meal practiced according the Old Covenant and why, according to the given Old Covenant knowledge?
And how was the Passover meal practiced according to the New Covenant by JESUS and with HIS disciples for our witnessing, according to the HOLY SPIRIT's Teaching of now the New Covenant placed in us, that is JESUS's Words of spirit and life of Eternal Life for born again believers, which still remains the same yesterday, today and forever, Amen. And by JESUS's Grace and Truth, the Gospel and of the New Covenant and the established church practiced, and justify?
Do they resemble the same in practice and even the Sabbath? One given earlier the Jews have failed, with all due respect to them, who GOD made them in ignorant to, in their sins. And now with those who have been liberated from that Old that enslave in sin, to excel in the Teachings of New Covenant, of the Helper the HOLY SPIRIT. to practice in a liberated New Covenant way of JESUS?
Sorry to tell the truth, with all due respect, to be forgiven in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, that your testimony is in between carnal/flesh of the Old Testament and liberated of the HOLY SPIRIT of the New Testament.
Mix matching both to justify like a drunkard. Please repent while you and others can to the LORD JESUS CHRIST of the New Covenant.
And how was the Passover meal practiced according to the New Covenant by JESUS and with HIS disciples for our witnessing, according to the HOLY SPIRIT's Teaching of now the New Covenant placed in us, that is JESUS's Words of spirit and life of Eternal Life for born again believers, which still remains the same yesterday, today and forever, Amen. And by JESUS's Grace and Truth, the Gospel and of the New Covenant and the established church practiced, and justify?
Do they resemble the same in practice and even the Sabbath? One given earlier the Jews have failed, with all due respect to them, who GOD made them in ignorant to, in their sins. And now with those who have been liberated from that Old that enslave in sin, to excel in the Teachings of New Covenant, of the Helper the HOLY SPIRIT. to practice in a liberated New Covenant way of JESUS?
Sorry to tell the truth, with all due respect, to be forgiven in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, that your testimony is in between carnal/flesh of the Old Testament and liberated of the HOLY SPIRIT of the New Testament.
Mix matching both to justify like a drunkard. Please repent while you and others can to the LORD JESUS CHRIST of the New Covenant.
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If one studies the process of events from the 10th day of Nisan onward through the Passover and the giving of the stone tables, it sheds light on the greatness of our Lord's sacrifice for us. It's the same as when Jesus entered Jerusalem right before the crucifixion to the time the Holy Ghost descended at Pentecost. The parallel is uncanny, and so precise. Blessings toward my you brother.
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The light is for the purpose of casting the shadow on the substance that it shines on. If there is no shadow then there is no substance. Faith is substance. The shadow is for us to detect where the substance is located by the light.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
After faith the schoolmaster remains, for a schoolmaster, in the tradition for those Paul wrote to, this was to direct children to school without losing direction. After faith, we know the direction but the route stays the same. This direction that the schoolmaster showed us still remains for us to use and bring others to Christ.
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come , and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1
Physical temple worship never finished with sacrifices, but Jesus did. The physical Priesthood and the physical temple are gone, but our responsibility to reciprocate in the love of God is not. We live by EVERY word that God has ever spoken. That's the way Jesus warded of Satan during His 40 days of temptation.
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:5
Blessings toward you sis.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
After faith the schoolmaster remains, for a schoolmaster, in the tradition for those Paul wrote to, this was to direct children to school without losing direction. After faith, we know the direction but the route stays the same. This direction that the schoolmaster showed us still remains for us to use and bring others to Christ.
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come , and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1
Physical temple worship never finished with sacrifices, but Jesus did. The physical Priesthood and the physical temple are gone, but our responsibility to reciprocate in the love of God is not. We live by EVERY word that God has ever spoken. That's the way Jesus warded of Satan during His 40 days of temptation.
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:5
Blessings toward you sis.
L
Ezekiel 43:18 KJV
(18) And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
Colossians 2:14 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
It is clear that the death of Jesus blotted out the ordinances. Ordinances are related to the sanctuary service. To say we are to keep the feasts is to keep that which Christ blotted out.
(18) And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
Colossians 2:14 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
It is clear that the death of Jesus blotted out the ordinances. Ordinances are related to the sanctuary service. To say we are to keep the feasts is to keep that which Christ blotted out.
A shadow is not cast in full light but is cast when something obscures the light.
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law BUT the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. . . . . If there was a law that could have given life - then the law would remain to give us righteousness . . . and before faith came - the faith of Jesus Christ - we were kept under the law which could not give life nor righteousness. The law WAS our school master - now that we have that law written upon our hearts through faith in Jesus Christ we no longer need the school master. What is it that reconciles people to God? the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ; the mystery, Christ in you the hope of glory. Is there plenty more to learn and explore? Of course. Because we no longer need the schoolmaster does that negate the WHOLE of the OT? Of course not.
Yes the law was only a shadow of greater things to come and could NEVER and can still NEVER "make the comers thereunto perfect". "For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
EVERY WORD that proceeded out of the mouth of God was NOT THE LAW, and when I say "law" it is as in keeping the feasts, fast and swift judgment; i.e. stoning., dietary laws, etc . . . . but every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God leads us and guides us in practical things to better us and to bring us into right living.
Blessings to you also just-me
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law BUT the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. . . . . If there was a law that could have given life - then the law would remain to give us righteousness . . . and before faith came - the faith of Jesus Christ - we were kept under the law which could not give life nor righteousness. The law WAS our school master - now that we have that law written upon our hearts through faith in Jesus Christ we no longer need the school master. What is it that reconciles people to God? the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ; the mystery, Christ in you the hope of glory. Is there plenty more to learn and explore? Of course. Because we no longer need the schoolmaster does that negate the WHOLE of the OT? Of course not.
Yes the law was only a shadow of greater things to come and could NEVER and can still NEVER "make the comers thereunto perfect". "For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
EVERY WORD that proceeded out of the mouth of God was NOT THE LAW, and when I say "law" it is as in keeping the feasts, fast and swift judgment; i.e. stoning., dietary laws, etc . . . . but every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God leads us and guides us in practical things to better us and to bring us into right living.
Blessings to you also just-me
EVERY WORD that proceeded out of the mouth of God was NOT THE LAW, and when I say "law" it is as in keeping the feasts, fast and swift judgment; i.e. stoning., dietary laws, etc . . . . but every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God leads us and guides us in practical things to better us and to bring us into right living.
Blessings to you also just-me
This is what stopped me from liking what you wrote. "EVERY WORD that proceeded out of the mouth of God was NOT THE LAW, and when I say "law" it is as in keeping the feasts, fast and swift judgment; i.e. stoning., dietary laws, etc"
So may I politely ask, if the format to the feasts were not part of every Word God spoke, who instigated the statutes thereof that is written in the Bible? The feasts point directly to the church and Christ. Yes it is certainly detailed but is absolutely beautiful when we begin to comprehend. The 3 feasts connect all the dots for the plan of salvation in my opinion.
The feast keepers need to quote ALL THE CONTEXT of Zechariah, not just their favorite part:
Zechariah 14:20-21 (NASB) [SUP]20 [/SUP]In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "HOLY TO THE LORD." And the cooking pots in the LORD'S house will be like the bowls before the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.
Now according to your statements, we are going to keep these feasts in the New Jerusalem? Is that what you're saying?
If so how do you explain this?
Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
This will be interesting.....
Zechariah 14:20-21 (NASB) [SUP]20 [/SUP]In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "HOLY TO THE LORD." And the cooking pots in the LORD'S house will be like the bowls before the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.
Now according to your statements, we are going to keep these feasts in the New Jerusalem? Is that what you're saying?
If so how do you explain this?
Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
This will be interesting.....