Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[just-me]

How about you show me how you understand the feasts and why you keep them. I showed a post showing in brief what they are it is now your turn.

I'm not real sure if you really want to know with a sincere heart. I can send you a short book that I wrote about them relating to the life of Christ, the creation, and the plan of salvation. Your attitude has shown me that you really don't want to know what I see in them. But I'm happy to share with those who want to learn what I can give because of what God gave me.

 

[Stephen63]

"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and in the Feast of Weeks, and in the Feast of Tabernacles.." Deut 16:16. The place which God chose was Solomon's Temple. 2Chr7:12.

Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

No Temple, no feasts. You can't have the proper feasts without the Temple.

 

[Laodicea]

I'm not real sure if you really want to know with a sincere heart. I can send you a short book that I wrote about them relating to the life of Christ, the creation, and the plan of salvation. Your attitude has shown me that you really don't want to know what I see in them. But I'm happy to share with those who want to learn what I can give because of what God gave me.

Do not be so quick to judge, you can only see the outward not the inward. It was your idea for us to share each others ideas which I did in brief which you can read and if you have any questions on I can answer. Please show me a brief overview of what you teach and we can get into more detail later.

 

[Kerry]

We should keep the feast if we have no faith in the cross and get ready for hell fire, that is the only reason to keep them.

 

[Laodicea]

I'm not real sure if you really want to know with a sincere heart. I can send you a short book that I wrote about them relating to the life of Christ, the creation, and the plan of salvation. Your attitude has shown me that you really don't want to know what I see in them. But I'm happy to share with those who want to learn what I can give because of what God gave me.

While I disagree in keeping the feasts, but not in studying and learning from them as there are great truths in the feasts about the plan of salvation.

 

[Stephen63]

I don't believe we need to keep the feasts because of what the Apostles wrote to the Gentile Christians of the 1st century:

Acts 15:24-31 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP]Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [SUP]25 [/SUP]It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, [SUP]26 [/SUP]Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]27 [/SUP]We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [SUP]29 [/SUP]That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. [SUP]30 [/SUP]So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: [SUP]31 [/SUP]Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

 

[just-me]

"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and in the Feast of Weeks, and in the Feast of Tabernacles.." Deut 16:16. The place which God chose was Solomon's Temple. 2Chr7:12.

Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

No Temple, no feasts. You can't have the proper feasts without the Temple.

Prophecy of the millennial reign of Christ is as follows.
Zechariah 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up , and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

We are the temple, and we still sacrifice according to Paul's epistles.

Romans 12:1-2
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2-5
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying , Behold , the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away .
5 And he that sat upon the throne said , Behold , I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write : for these words are true and faithful.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I was almost ready to like what you said until this last paragraph that you wrote. I can see that you have never read about the feast very much. There are no references to stoning and dietary laws in the feasts.

This is what stopped me from liking what you wrote. "EVERY WORD that proceeded out of the mouth of God was NOT THE LAW, and when I say "law" it is as in keeping the feasts, fast and swift judgment; i.e. stoning., dietary laws, etc"

So may I politely ask, if the format to the feasts were not part of every Word God spoke, who instigated the statutes thereof that is written in the Bible? The feasts point directly to the church and Christ. Yes it is certainly detailed but is absolutely beautiful when we begin to comprehend. The 3 feasts connect all the dots for the plan of salvation in my opinion.

Apparently I don't know how to express my thoughts or reasoning! I didn't say that every word God spoke did not include the feast nor that God did not instigate the statutes held therein.

The feast point to Christ but not to the "church" as in the body of Christ as in Christ being in believers making the church one body - that was "the mystery which was kept secret since the world began" and revealed to Paul - "by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;". There is great symbolism behind the feasts as prophecy and through study, yes, we can gain additional insight and appreciation for the magnificence of God's PLAN of salvation for mankind. BUT we as the "church" the body of Christ, are not in any way obligated to keep these feasts.

Blessings . . . .

 

[just-me]

Do not be so quick to judge, you can only see the outward not the inward. It was your idea for us to share each others ideas which I did in brief which you can read and if you have any questions on I can answer. Please show me a brief overview of what you teach and we can get into more detail later.

read pages 28-30 for starters, it's too long to post on a thread

This is the relationship between the feasts and Jesus

 

[just-me]

While I disagree in keeping the feasts, but not in studying and learning from them as there are great truths in the feasts about the plan of salvation.

Then you misunderstood what I was saying and may have jumped to conclusions. I agree with what you say here. I keep the feast in the spirit, in my heart and mind, not physically. I see the importance of them still in relation to the entire plan of salvation. Working out our own righteousness physically does nothing.

 

[just-me]

Apparently I don't know how to express my thoughts or reasoning! I didn't say that every word God spoke did not include the feast nor that God did not instigate the statutes held therein.

The feast point to Christ but not to the "church" as in the body of Christ as in Christ being in believers making the church one body - that was "the mystery which was kept secret since the world began" and revealed to Paul - "by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;". There is great symbolism behind the feasts as prophecy and through study, yes, we can gain additional insight and appreciation for the magnificence of God's PLAN of salvation for mankind. BUT we as the "church" the body of Christ, are not in any way obligated to keep these feasts.

Blessings . . . .

I agree with everything you say but I still think that the church would be so much better off if they would teach the spiritual principles of them in relation to Christ. I think it would be somewhat of a catalyst to cause the entire congregation to appreciate our Lord and Savior to a much greater extent. The feasts are reminders just like communion reminds us of the last supper in reference to passover and remembering our Lord Jesus Christ, and His sacrifice for our sakes. It's a commemoration of the fulfillment by Christ. WHAT GRACE! Amen. When the entire body comes to grips with the fact that all of God's word is a total plan (step by step) called salvation for all mankind, talk about praising the name of God! That's what happened to me. It's awesome to say the least! It is completed in Christ Jesus. We should always remember the plan that was engineered by the Father and the Son before the beginning of time to praise the Lord and love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength.

 

[JGIG]

Why can't you just answer the questions straight forward?

She is unable. There is a veil (2 Cor. 3).

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

i think you missed the point i was trying to make...

issues of christian freedom are not 'shoulds' or 'should nots'...they are 'cans'...

I get where you're coming from here, but with believers practicing ordinances in the Old Covenant Law, one needs to consider what the Law produces. The Scriptures say that the Law stirs up sinning, arouses sinning, was given so that transgressions might increase, and is the power of sinning (Romans 5, 7, and 1 Cor. 15).

23 “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. (from 1 Cor. 10)​

We are also told in the Scriptures that we who are in Christ have died to the Law in order that we may bear fruit unto God (Rom. 7). We must be joined to Christ, not to the Law, in order to bear good fruit. The New Covenant Scriptures are very clear about the believer's relationship to the Law.

Can you observe parts of the Law as a believer?

Yep.

All things are permissible.

Is it a good thing to observe parts of the Law?

Nope.

For when believers are doing that, it's akin to committing spiritual adultery after dying to the Law SO THAT we may BELONG to another, He Who was raised from the dead, IN ORDER that we may bear fruit unto God:

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.

6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)​

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

I don't go along with all this gossip about never acknowledging the shadow of anything. When light shine on anything there is a shadow, everyone wants to erase the shadow. Can't be done.

You keep Christmas and Easter. They are not mentioned in the bible at all. Yet you are against what is biblical as something we are to do. I dug up the report on the Nicene council that Constantine called for to see why they decided to make Passover illegal and put Easter in it's place when everyone knew it was a Christianized pagan holiday. The report said that it was because the terrible Jews honored Passover and anything they did should never be done by a Christian. Centuries later Hitler came along and worked with the Lutherans to outlaw the Old Testament as part of the bible because it was too Jewish.

Nope.

The Nicene Council Concerning Easter


And RedTent, are you really playing the Hitler card again? Again without citing your source?

Believers in Christ being dead to the Law have nothing to do with the Nicene Council (which you are misinterpreting, btw) or with Hitler (sheesh).

It has to do with the simple truths of the Gospel of Grace in the New Covenant, backed up by a contextual reading of the whole of the Scriptures.

-JGIG

 

[jdbear]

I'm not real sure if you really want to know with a sincere heart. I can send you a short book that I wrote about them relating to the life of Christ, the creation, and the plan of salvation. Your attitude has shown me that you really don't want to know what I see in them. But I'm happy to share with those who want to learn what I can give because of what God gave me.

just-me,
I would be interested in learning what you have to say about the feasts. What is the book you wrote?

 

[Kerry]

Why do we keep Christmas, it is not biblical and we tell are children lies. There is absolutely no reason to keep the feast. Jesus fullfiled them, so to keep them say's that the cross is not good enough.

 

[JGIG]

being short and hoping I can find this thread after sleep to follow up

Passover is a festival enables us to remember our sinful past and have a first class party to the Lord giving thanks for the freedom he has given us. contrary to popular downturn we are commanded to remember our bondage to sin and celebrate overcoming. Kind of like the words of the song Let me tell you what the lord has done for me.

I saw above conclusions that are not scriptural but supposition. "As I mentioned before if you are going to keep any of the feasts you must also keep the sacrifices with it. Do you not know the very first sacrifice was with Adam and Eve when God slathered an animal and made clothing and were at peace with God.Because the sacrifice was the main part." Fact is God said "I will put an end to your festivals and sacrifices" because he was sick of the attitude they thought they could buy the right to sin with these things.

It has always baffled me people love to feast and festival yet because it is commanded by God they are repulsed. This is because they don't believe and unwilling to enter into fellowship with God.

Fact is the law says several of the feast are to be kept forever, in to eternity. They prefer to be in the world sinning. More than this. these commandments came from Moses time, but kept from Genesis by the patriarchs, kept by Jesus and you propyl don't realize among other place Revelation and ZEC 14 says they will be kept during the minilium reign and the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King the Lord Almighty and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King the Lord Almighty they will have no rain. - - - the Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles..

The Feast of Tabernacles being kept in a millennium is an interpretation of what the Scriptures say, not a fact in evidence.

Tell me, who will be the high priest at such an observance? In what temple? Under what covenant?

Have you considered the implications of what you're saying as it relates to the Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood of Christ Jesus?

-JGIG

 

[crossnote]

But these practices are spiritually enlightened?

Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

xmas trees and sunrise services for Ishtar?

LOL_LOL_OH PLEASE_ ROFL TUL

 

[KohenMatt]

The feast keepers need to quote ALL THE CONTEXT of Zechariah, not just their favorite part:

Zechariah 14:20-21 (NASB) [SUP]20 [/SUP]In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "HOLY TO THE LORD." And the cooking pots in the LORD'S house will be like the bowls before the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day.

Now according to your statements, we are going to keep these feasts in the New Jerusalem? Is that what you're saying?

If so how do you explain this?

Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

This will be interesting.....

"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and in the Feast of Weeks, and in the Feast of Tabernacles.." Deut 16:16. The place which God chose was Solomon's Temple. 2Chr7:12.

Revelation 21:22 (NASB) [SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

No Temple, no feasts. You can't have the proper feasts without the Temple.

Where is God's Temple today?

 

[KohenMatt]

We should keep the feast if we have no faith in the cross and get ready for hell fire, that is the only reason to keep them.

So if I celebrate Passover at all, I should "get ready for hell fire"?